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There's a sollution: You either raise your prices, either limit the time you give them offline. Or cut it from the roots.
I can only be found available as time as I am online. That's it.
Make a schedule and stick to it. And let them know about that schedule.
Regarding the tokens that go, yes, they may go. But you don't deserve theese people anyway. If they believe a human's time worth this little, fuck them. Overcharge and put the foot on the ground. YOU MAKE THE RULES ON YOUR TERRITORY, NOT THEM!!
No fucking dick shall dictate whate happens in your room. You're indie. You charge as much as you want. If you sell yourself cheap, they will treat you cheap.
Yes, they will threaten you with leaving, they will try to tell you that you don't deserve more. Fuck them. YOU DESERVE MORE. You don't need to explain too much to them. You have years in this industry, experience, bills that are growing year after year. It's normal to change your prices.
Make your own rules and make them respect them. They don't want to, fuck them.
LE: Stop worrying about where they spend their money. Rare are those members who are sticking to only one model. I have a dude who spends about $500 on me and $15k on others. What can I do? I stopped worriying after I pulled my hairs out of frustration. I just am faithful that I will get my rich regs too, at some point.
Is like Sephora being upset at you, that you also buy cosmetics from Amazon. And vice versa.
We are entertainment for them and that's it.
Stop putting feelings on it and just make those idiots pay. They don't even deserve a spit in the face. Especially those who are spreading thin between models and expect full attention from us. You want my full attention??? Pay my entire earnings range per month motherfucker, or VANISH!![]()
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Then try to put a price on a time frame. And that brings us back to the initial conclusion: To have a schedule.
If you spred yourself thin thorought the day, being available offline, of course, there will never be enough. But if you focus on only between certain hours, you will be able to see the value of your service more clear and be able to charge what you'd say is fair for that amount of time.
Example: Charging $100/ day for kik and being available 24/7 for texting, versus charging $100/ day for kik and being available and focusing on that only 10 hours, without having any obligation to respond or interact, for the rest of the day.
The things are looking way more proffitable, right?![]()
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Oh, this is hard on you. Yes, you're too available, but I understand why you are: you want to retain customers. It makes sense. Even top coaches for cam success or bloggers encourage pm to build trust and create a fan base, but there has to be a line.
Cutie has given excellent advice that I will say "ditto" to. Gotta take care of #1, doll. It's ok to have fallen into this as you can learn. We all have to go through it to learn and grow. Now is your time to grow as it's torn you up a bit.
No worries. Not all is lost, and if you self care hard core during this process you'll be ok.
Sending good vibes your way and godspeed![]()
Sha
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I don't sell Kik, but I used to. You simply tell them you charge this much per day and you're available for texting between X and Y hour. What you do with your personal time, is not their business.
And for your actual customers, just announce that you'll make changes in your services, from next week/ month (whenever you're ready) and let them know the new prices/ schedule, etc. If they are fine with it, good. If not, fuck them. you'll get new ones!
Staying more private and letting them highly value one on one contact worked for me. I actually rarely answer f.e streamate mail.
When I send out email on streamate it is a text copy paste with a sexy text and a picture just to lure them in a show. On skype same; when I am offline for a long while I make sure they know when I am back so I can count on quicker $$$
I sold my kik handle once but I never made agreements; he knew he was only buying my kikhandle no attachment, whenever I want to promotie a show I do, no private chat just upselling.
If i would sell kik I would just copy paste and use pictures and prewritten text, to ensure clients are happy about the kik service (which would be pictures and sometimes a sexy oneliner).
If they want exclusieve content refer them to private chat/skype/exclusieve made clips or photos; keep upselling, dont givepersonal attention when not needed. It will burn you out and tgey wont even value it bec they will think you do this bec you like to do it (a lot of them will asume you will do this to fill up a personal need or desire, bec that is what they are doing when roles would be reversed. ) ; you need to set boundaries and let them know private chat/attention is high value and not to bectaken lightly. Dont let them rob away your energy without getting value =$ , back
Maybe think about what you actually want to offer on kik and private mail and offline things; what is your objective?
Do you want them to be Friends? Do you want to upsell? Do you want to sell gf fantasy, or fetish etc etc. Think about your objective and than act accordingly.
If you want to upsell; do not go for the "Iam here and we can chat about whatever, tell me your lifestory, kan your friend" techniques; keep it flirty and sexy (or domme or whatever you sell) and always stay in business instead of getting yourself friendzoned
Also is value $$ you get and shows bec of platform worth the invested time? No; than up price or just take that time and put it into something more profitable. If it burns you out, I highly recommend changing tactics bec its not worth losing your health. À happy camgirl always makes more $, so make health and happyness a priority (which will enrich your life greatly)
Your body and energy tells you what to do, just listen to it.![]()
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You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help enough other people get what they want - Zig Ziglar
"Be thankful for the troubles of your job. They provide about half your income Robert R. Updegraff
I might be in the minority here, but when I'm not actively working/streaming, I'm unavailable. I don't go on Skype. I don't answer random messages or exchange emails unless it's about ordering a custom clip or scheduling a show. I don't hang out and text people all day while I'm doing other stuff.
I only engage with the guys when I'm on the clock. I do see the value in building relationships, etc. but I just can't be bothered. They can wait for me to come online.



Same here and that has always been working fine for me. I don't sell kik and I don't even have social media for work anymore, but when I did have twitter, I would never even open it while offline. I only work on my desktop PC and when I am not working I do not turn it on. On my phone and tablet I don't have anything work related. Saves me LOTS of neurons.
^^ Yep, same! Everything is on my laptop. There's nothing camming related on my phone whatsoever.





honestly I rarely talk to any clients outside of work hours. only time I do is if they drop a lot, and even then I make clear I will reply in my own time, and if they want my full attention they can get a show.
you need time to disengage, and try not to worry that they're spending on other models to, as long as they're also spending on you thats ALL that matters
You can have everything in life you want, if you will just help enough other people get what they want - Zig Ziglar
"Be thankful for the troubles of your job. They provide about half your income Robert R. Updegraff
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I think you should stop mentioning what they do in other people's chatrooms. It makes you look pressed. Try not to let them see that side of you. You gotta work on being more detached and unbothered. If they want excitement or a girlfriend experience, then make them pay for it. Right now you're just given them free drama. Get paid for it.




yeah, that sounds overwhelming. What about getting a part time job or volunteer to be around nice, sane people.
in the dancing world when I was a new I would never talk to guys OTC. I probably lost money, but it was always worth it to compartmentalize my work life and personal life. Can you have a separate phone for camming/texting.
We are like therapist and we have to detox and set boundaries so we don’t take in their baggage. Therapist set limits on their time when they are available. I’m not allowed to call or text my therapist all the time. I’ve had some therapist that would take phone conferences, but some only do face to face. I think in trying to make it appear real-our job-those boundaries get blurry between our clients. I would set some strong boundaries where you don’t take phone calls or texts. They will get angry when you tell them no, but if you try to control them to make money you’ll be burned out. We have to set our boundaries and let go of the outcome. Let them get mad or spend less money. Dancing is my main job. When I’m tempted to think oh I have to this to get their money I end up hating myself. Now I’m just like this is what my time is worth-take it or leave it. Some guys get mad, but I end up finding better customers. I am high quality woman and some guys want to be cheap. Well let them find another girl because I provide an entertaining experience and deserve to be compensated. So expect push back when you set new boundaries, but you’ll find better customers or at least regain your sanity.
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You are too available, hun. He's taking you for granted.
Set boundaries, be unavailable and let them miss you. And don't ever mention what they spend with other girls. It's none of your business. You don't own them, they don't own you. Fair charge. Mentioning what they do with other girls will make you seem desperate, as you're relaying on them to survive. That's not the case. You're not his wife to spy on him. But not his sweetheart to give endless attention either. So don't engage with them off the website, unless you want to waste your time or unless they pay you, lol. I don't ever answer msg when I'm having my time off.
I only replay when I'm getting ready for work or doing other work related things (emailing pics/clips; editing content etc). Otherwise, my free time is sacred and can't ever be bother by no demanding man. Fuck it, they like me? They can wait a few hours or days. My man waited weeks to get a date. So horny guys won't die a few hours without a replay to some shitty non relevant msg. Be confident in yourself! Camming doesn't spin around a certain client. They all expire, so don't invest your feelings. Detach when you log off. Do your best to be assertive, but never put your soul in this restless game.
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