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    Hey ladies!
    This is my first post so let me start by introducing myself! My name is Alexandra, former (maybe will be again) stripper.

    I filed a suit against my home club for FLSA violations and I want to be very clear when I say that almost all of you probably have potential valid claims. Some may be worth a bunch of money and some may be for smaller amounts. The reason I filed was not solely for the purpose of retaining my back pay, what was and is most important is that I love all of my fellow lady dancers and I believe we all deserve to be treated better. Y'all are so strong, and just plain amazing women. I want the clubs to be held accountable for the criminal activity that they have actively participated in and I want the industry to change.

    Personal opinion: I wish we were independent contractors. Fact: Most dancers are not treated like IC's - they are only classified this way for club owners to get away from paying taxes, paying the employees, and offering health care, among other things.

    Imagining a strip club that follows all laws, including labor laws is such a foreign idea that it sounds literally impossible. And many clubs are quick to manipulate the dancers and make them feel like the clubs are not going to make it for much longer if girls continue to file lawsuits (doubt it) - HERE'S AN IDEA - maybe if they followed the law and stopped treating dancers like they are worth less than they actually are then dancers would stop filing lawsuits.

    If you're worried about the profit of the club making the club close down, don't. Strip clubs, especially corporate clubs, have been making outrageously high profits for 20+ years. They have been paying virtually no overhead costs of running a business because they are making you ladies pay for everything. I think it's time to say enough is enough. They can and will survive on the lesser profits that the club should be making. The fact is, without all of us, they would own nothing more than a bar or a night club and they need to start taking us more seriously.

    I ask that you ladies please please please start taking pictures and holding on to documents that you have received or signed from your clubs, as well as any documents hanging up around the place including "dancer rules" or "make up policies" or anything really that dictates absolutely any part of the way you work.

    Rant over - thank you for listening - I'm curious to see if anyone else has filed or has thought about filing lawsuits and was it for the same reasons as me? No way I could be all alone in my thought process right? Ahh

    P.S. I wish more strip club owners were women - bet we would do it so much better <3

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexandravanderveer View Post
    P.S. I wish more strip club owners were women - bet we would do it so much better <3
    My club is owned by a woman. It is not run any better. There is some feel-good bullshit taped up in the DR (lists of domestic violence shelters, GED programs, etc.) But they are arguably the greediest club in town in terms of house fee, tip-out, cuts of rooms...

    Are you saying that you want clubs to treat us like employees? Because that is not working out well for anyone in California.

    I think we should be TRUE ICs and fees need to be re-tooled. I am not opposed to a modest house fee of $30 OR say a 10% cut of what you make - that is fair for use of the space - but paying a huge house fee plus room cuts and mandatory tip-out to bouncers & DJs? That is what makes me angry and feeling disrespected. It feels like everyone has their hand in the dancers pockets all the time.

    I do actually have a notes doc that I log anytime a manager treats a girl like an employee. I also take photos of any signs they put up that veer that way. If I ever get ticked off enough to sue, I'll have it.

    My issue is with the clubs trying to have their cake and eat it too. If you're going to restrict the music I dance to or dictate what prices I charge, then you need to treat me like an employee as far as paying 15% of my taxes and such. If you're going to charge me exorbitant amounts to 'use the space', you're going to piss off and let me leave after 2 hours if I want to, etc.
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    Isn’t a bunch of strippers suing their clubs after they leave part of the reason Dynamex law now requires CA strippers to be employees? I just feel like it harms current dancers more than helps
    But yes there is no reason for clubs to be charging $100 just for girls to be able to work! I think house fees are stupid. It costs the club NOTHING for us to be there, as we all know it actually NEEDED for us to be there.

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    Why can’t we just be independent contractors and not pay any fees at all?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    Why can’t we just be independent contractors and not pay any fees at all?
    A long time ago some strip bars in Northern CA collected a lump sum up front for dancers to work there. That's where all this "stage fee" battle started from....

    IMO strip bars have to find a way to make dancers feel respected, and get a percentage of earnings to pad out the bottom line. I'll add to this later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selina M View Post
    My club is owned by a woman. It is not run any better. There is some feel-good bullshit taped up in the DR (lists of domestic violence shelters, GED programs, etc.) But they are arguably the greediest club in town in terms of house fee, tip-out, cuts of rooms...

    Are you saying that you want clubs to treat us like employees? Because that is not working out well for anyone in California.

    I think we should be TRUE ICs and fees need to be re-tooled. I am not opposed to a modest house fee of $30 OR say a 10% cut of what you make - that is fair for use of the space - but paying a huge house fee plus room cuts and mandatory tip-out to bouncers & DJs? That is what makes me angry and feeling disrespected. It feels like everyone has their hand in the dancers pockets all the time.

    I do actually have a notes doc that I log anytime a manager treats a girl like an employee. I also take photos of any signs they put up that veer that way. If I ever get ticked off enough to sue, I'll have it.

    My issue is with the clubs trying to have their cake and eat it too. If you're going to restrict the music I dance to or dictate what prices I charge, then you need to treat me like an employee as far as paying 15% of my taxes and such. If you're going to charge me exorbitant amounts to 'use the space', you're going to piss off and let me leave after 2 hours if I want to, etc.

    Personally, I would rather have them treat us like IC's and charge a house fee and leave it at that - like you said about paying bouncers and dj's too - I don't think that's the dancers job; and then when they do make us pay the DJ and and they don't want to play the music we want to dance to it's like.. what am I doing??

    VIP room cuts make me the most mad because they can and already have made the customer buy the room and then you're gonna make me ALSO pay for using the room - selfish.

    So smart of you to keep your docs and stuff!

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    Default Re: Let's end wage theft in the clubs

    also, your woman-run club being the greediest makes me so sad!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexandravanderveer View Post
    also, your woman-run club being the greediest makes me so sad!
    For 300 years women were complicit and also ran plantations holding African slaves, beating/forced rape/murdering them, in a massive moneymaking scheme. Women do not have some moral superiority to men. At least in this country they never have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    A long time ago some strip bars in Northern CA collected a lump sum up front for dancers to work there. That's where all this "stage fee" battle started from....

    IMO strip bars have to find a way to make dancers feel respected, and get a percentage of earnings to pad out the bottom line. I'll add to this later.
    I don’t buy the idea that we are more respected by paying house fees. That sounds like something they tell naive women to brainwash them into thinking this is ok. I feel like the quality of girls has gone down in these clubs because they will hire anyone who will pay a house fee. We have become customers of the club now...not the talent. Do you ladies really enjoy having the pressure of making back your housefee every night? Having all these housemoms, bouncers and djs your pockets?? Why can’t we just work off tips and maintain our IC status without going the California employee route with it, and eliminating housefees?
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    I have a club I have been wanting to sue, and I know I would get a major payout. my friend did and I have way more reasons to sue than her.. but I don't want that to be public records that I sued a stripclub as a dancer.

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    Totally understandable! I sent you a PM, hope it helps!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    I don’t buy the idea that we are more respected by paying house fees. That sounds like something they tell naive women to brainwash them into thinking this is ok. I feel like the quality of girls has gone down in these clubs because they will hire anyone who will pay a house fee. We have become customers of the club now...not the talent. Do you ladies really enjoy having the pressure of making back your housefee every night? Having all these housemoms, bouncers and djs your pockets?? Why can’t we just work off tips and maintain our IC status without going the California employee route with it, and eliminating housefees?
    we are customers of the club, but don’t have any bargaining power. Honestly, I’m just gonna start camming. I love adult work, but the working conditions are ridiculous. I’d rather work from the safety and comfort of my own home.
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    Totally understand you there


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    we are customers of the club. We don’t have any bargaining power. Honestly, I’m just gonna start camming. I love adult work, but the working conditions are ridiculous. I’d rather work from the safety and comfort of my own home.

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    I left dancing strictly for the fact of how shitty they are now treating the dancers & their stupid greedy illegal extortion they keep imposing on dancers. Between the ridic weight ideal they have on women to the illegal extortion, AND the scheduling, it's no wonder they are getting sued & dancers quitting & doing other things related to the sex industry. Luckily, I literally quit before the shit show got out of hand like it seems to be now from everything I keep hearing.
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    ^^^ Amen. In order for all this BS to be worth it we need to be making $$$$. Most girls I know are making about the same as bartender or server. I do better than most because of all the experience and hard work I put into my looks.

    I think as sales have gone downhill the club owners/managers are scapegoating the girls. The worst is because the economy sucks girls feel like they have no other options.

    Like I said, I know a lot of girls who are bartending and serving because at some point it’s not worth it. I had a friend who was bartending at an upscale place and made like $100 tip off a guy without doing anything other than her job.
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    ^^^ Amen. In order for all this BS to be worth it we need to be making $$$$. Most girls I know are making about the same as bartender or server. I do better than most because of all the experience and hard work I put into my looks.

    I think as sales have gone downhill the club owners/managers are scapegoating the girls. The worst is because the economy sucks girls feel like they have no other options.

    Like I said, I know a lot of girls who are bartending and serving because at some point it’s not worth it. I had a friend who was bartending at an upscale place and made like $100 tip off a guy without doing anything other than her job.
    Forbidden fruit. I was once in a room with another dancer & a waitress that we only got because the guy desperately wanted to see the waitress's boob job. He spent like $700. So stupid (but great for us )

    Agreed about it not being worth it in a lot of places. I'm usually in at least the top 25% of earners... but even that level is not that great anymore.

    Being that my club is having a raid scare, I'm making the switch to bartending/serving at a regular restaurant. They make $1-500 depending on the shift plus their hourly.... add in the value of having the 15% employer taxes paid on that for you and it's even more appealing.

    I'll still go to the club once or twice a week probably, but this is not a city I want to work full time in anymore.
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    Quote Originally Posted by crystalize View Post
    I have a club I have been wanting to sue, and I know I would get a major payout. my friend did and I have way more reasons to sue than her.. but I don't want that to be public records that I sued a stripclub as a dancer.
    Go for it! A girl in the Twin Cities sued a strip bar that (totally deserved) the lawsuit. She won.

    Getting outed as a stripper isn't a big deal if you're fanning your hot azz with a giant pile of cash you were awarded for suing to address a legit issue with a business.

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