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    Does/has anyone ever dealt with winter insomnia?

    I've been sleeping terribly lately, and I realized last night (during all the hours I had nothing to do but think) that this happens every year around this time. I think I've always either had seasonal depression to go along with it that caused me to sleep a lot during the day so the insomnia at night made sense, or I otherwise always found a way to attribute it to other things. But I think it's just straight-up insomnia during the winter months, for some reason.

    I try to do everything possible to help. I have blackout curtains. I close the bedroom door so it's quiet and the rowdy cats can't get in. Turn down the temperature. I have no electronic lights in my bedroom, no digital clock. I've tried both total silence and having a fan or soothing music on. I don't look at my phone at least an hour, sometimes more, before bed except to set my alarm and turn on DND. No caffeine past the afternoon. If I nap at all during the day, it's a shitty-quality, short nap between noon and 2pm. Nothing that should be throwing off my ability to sleep at 1am. I am usually working 12+ hour days and I am exhausted. But when my head hits the pillow at 1am (my normal, set bedtime), I cannot fall asleep. I end up tossing and turning for hours before maybe getting 30 minutes to an hour at a time between 3/4am and 8/9am when I have to get up. I'm so tired and want nothing more than to fall asleep, I was almost in tears last night.

    When I tried researching it, all I could find regarding seasonal insomnia was that a lot of people have trouble falling asleep during the summer months, but usually sleep more in the winter. But I'm having the opposite problem. And always have, I think. And I don't believe it's tied to seasonal depression this year, because I've been feeling fairly stable as far as that goes right now. The only thing that's depressing me is the fact that I can't sleep!
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    Sorry to hear it, sleep problems are the WORST. I finally had luck after going to several practitioners; a doc, a nurse practitioner, a naturopath, 4 acupuncturists... the 5th acupuncturist finally figured it out and helped me. It took like a year (so my insomnia was clearly more than just in winter). You might have to try things that you would not normally consider, possibly drink herbal formulas that are unbelievably nasty but necessary. Have you tried acupuncture? Sometimes it's a simple textbook thing that a formula and a few treatments can help. Sometimes it's a really obscure pattern that only the 5th acupuncturist will finally figure out. Like any type of practitioner, some doctors are awesome and some are not a good fit for you. Same with acupuncturist, etc. But in the end if you can figure it out, it's WORTH IT for the sleep. Wishing you the best, I know your pain!! The right Chinese medicine practitioners have been able to help me with certain things that western medicine only made a big mess of. Insomnia is one of those. Bipolar/depression was the other.

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    Yes its that time of year. Its winter depression especially for the shift workers. I hear ya... I can't fall asleep when I want and then I'm tired at the wrong time when I should be waking up I want to keep sleeping. I've become particularly aware of it the last three weeks. I suffered from this hardcore throughout the years of dancing.

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    I suffer from insomnia and only get a few good night sleeps for about the first week of my cycle. It affects my ability to work more often. My insomnia is worse when the weather is hot, I actially look forward to winters because I can sleep better. Trying acupuncture sounds like a good idea.

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    Reflexotherapy also works and does wonders, of course, finding one specialized on insomnia issues. I have a friend who was desperate because of insomnia and she finally solved it with this.

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    Usually when I have insomnia I go for a walk for ten minutes, it helps me.

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    Well the solution is simple ....... DICK!

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    ^ I’m kidding

    Your routine looks good.

    Might I suggest moving your last caffeine dose to 11am or cut it out completely and do you workout at all? A good workout early morn or mid day will burn off that energy

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    Also try some warm camomile tea, some melatonin or valerian root about an hour before bed.

    Knock ya right on out. Don’t worry though you’ll wake up refreshed n rejuvenated

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    Usually, I get insomnia when it is summer. I hate that period because I am not feeling very good and also I am allergic to a lot of flowers. I have several solutions for how to fall asleep. Firstly I try to go for a ten-minute walk, luckily I live near a park. If it doesn't' work I try to drink something alcoholic, sometimes it is helping me. If all the methods don't work I have some pills that help with insomnia, it is also important to have a good and comfortable weighted blanket . The most important is the matres and the pillow, you just need to find the combination that is comfortable for you.
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    When I'm supplementing with iodine(either via salt or kelp tablets) I fall asleep a lot quicker. I don't generally have sleeping issues but when I have iodine in my diet I am out not long after my head hits the pillow(it also causes major dream recall). A lot of people are under the impression that the natural salts you can get in the grocery stores and health stores(like the Himalayan pink salts and celtic sea salts...etc) are completely unprocessed, but they're not and they're 9.5 times out of 10 stripped of iodine. A couple years ago I had to order a 5lb package of salt pebbles from India to actually get some unprocessed salt with iodine (which I have to grind myself and I still have tons of) in it. But 1 or 2 of these a day does the same trick if you don't want to track down naturally iodized salt:

    https://www.amazon.com/Swanson-Kelp-...s%2C362&sr=8-8

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    CBD can help, melatonin, or just chamomile tea at night.
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    Do you exercise? I've found that if I exercise during the day, I can sleep better at night. Sometimes I watch ASMR videos on YouTube to help relax me before I go to sleep. Also, a glass of wine or a bottle of beer before I go to sleep helps relax me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoveve View Post
    When I'm supplementing with iodine(either via salt or kelp tablets) I fall asleep a lot quicker. I don't generally have sleeping issues but when I have iodine in my diet I am out not long after my head hits the pillow(it also causes major dream recall). A lot of people are under the impression that the natural salts you can get in the grocery stores and health stores(like the Himalayan pink salts and celtic sea salts...etc) are completely unprocessed, but they're not and they're 9.5 times out of 10 stripped of iodine. A couple years ago I had to order a 5lb package of salt pebbles from India to actually get some unprocessed salt with iodine (which I have to grind myself and I still have tons of) in it. But 1 or 2 of these a day does the same trick if you don't want to track down naturally iodized salt:

    https://www.amazon.com/Swanson-Kelp-...s%2C362&sr=8-8
    Yess. A lot of people have an iodine deficiency. In my country all salt actually has iodine in it, by law. Because of this reason. People got deficiencies. So use ionized salt or eat a LOT of kelp/sushi

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    Chamomile lavender tea, epsom salt baths, lavender diffuser, yin yoga, the sound of waves lol and a book

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    Add magnesium to your diet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Do you exercise? I've found that if I exercise during the day, I can sleep better at night. Sometimes I watch ASMR videos on YouTube to help relax me before I go to sleep. Also, a glass of wine or a bottle of beer before I go do sleep helps relax me.
    This. When nothing works, I am exercizing and also trying to excercise extra, till I get all fatigued. I sleep like a tank after that, hahahaha!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoveve View Post
    When I'm supplementing with iodine(either via salt or kelp tablets) I fall asleep a lot quicker. I don't generally have sleeping issues but when I have iodine in my diet I am out not long after my head hits the pillow(it also causes major dream recall). A lot of people are under the impression that the natural salts you can get in the grocery stores and health stores(like the Himalayan pink salts and celtic sea salts...etc) are completely unprocessed, but they're not and they're 9.5 times out of 10 stripped of iodine. A couple years ago I had to order a 5lb package of salt pebbles from India to actually get some unprocessed salt with iodine (which I have to grind myself and I still have tons of) in it. But 1 or 2 of these a day does the same trick if you don't want to track down naturally iodized salt:

    https://www.amazon.com/Swanson-Kelp-...s%2C362&sr=8-8
    Just mentioning that iodine can be very toxic, and supplementing with iodine can boost the thyroid in undesirable ways (heart palpitations, etc.). I know you're a smart girl and that you do your research, and i trust that you know your body, but just want to make sure that others do their research as well. Imbalanced thyroid isn't great (hypo/hyperthyroidism), and adding iodine to the diet intentionally (instead of just getting it naturally through food) can cause issues! Be sure to research upper limits.

    Any supplement that might cause positive change also has the power to cause harm, even if it's naturally derived. And what's very positive for one person's body can harm a different body. Just a reminder! Debbie downer, i know, lol... I'm sorry!

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    Aurora, i experience horrible insomnia when I'm going through periods of psychological unrest, economic issues / change, when I'm unsure of my life's direction, when my days lack consistent structure, when i feel like i have no purpose / don't care about my work, etc. My brain uses bedtime as a time to ruminate, obsess, and plan, and i can't stop it. I haven't had the issue for years, but i remember struggling with this for long periods of time in my life. I couldn't sleep, so I'd stay up late lying awake in bed, finally fall asleep in early morning, and oversleep, leading to a convenient lack of daylight hours to fill with meaningful activities (nothing felt meaningful, so it was nice to have fewer functional hours to fill).

    It sounds like you've been dealing with similar issues lately, so, despite your good sleep hygiene, you're struggling to sleep. Since there isn't much to be done about the various issues i mentioned in the short term, I'd first look to exercise to help... run from the psychological lions by doing something physical to exhaust yourself and add a sense of accomplishment to your physical body.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Aurora, i experience horrible insomnia when I'm going through periods of psychological unrest, economic issues / change, when I'm unsure of my life's direction, when my days lack consistent structure, when i feel like i have no purpose / don't care about my work, etc. My brain uses bedtime as a time to ruminate, obsess, and plan, and i can't stop it. I haven't had the issue for years, but i remember struggling with this for long periods of time in my life. I couldn't sleep, so I'd stay up late lying awake in bed, finally fall asleep in early morning, and oversleep, leading to a convenient lack of daylight hours to fill with meaningful activities (nothing felt meaningful, so it was nice to have fewer functional hours to fill).

    It sounds like you've been dealing with similar issues lately, so, despite your good sleep hygiene, you're struggling to sleep. Since there isn't much to be done about the various issues i mentioned in the short term, I'd first look to exercise to help... run from the psychological lions by doing something physical to exhaust yourself and add a sense of accomplishment to your physical body.
    So true. Ever since we got to the point a few days ago where the new apartment is mostly unpacked and the main living area is free of boxes, I have been sleeping a little better. Still not perfect, but the giant weight and stress of moving into a new place unexpectedly after a crisis, has finally lifted a bit. And I can definitely feel the difference. I started a new Beach Body workout this week and threw in a stretching routine to get my splits back so I can put my pole back up.
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