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    Default Re: As states reopen, here’s how you protect yourself from the coming surge

    ^ That's a lot of very dramatically written stories for sure. But all of those articles, replete with hyperbole, are spinning cherry picked stats that ignore important population spread and actual death count data.

    Here are the simple, unvarnished hard numbers as reported by the CDC:

    Number of deaths in the U.S.: 129,811
    Number of deaths under 14 years old: 58
    Number of death under 24 years old: 342

    The numbers are what they are. Now yes every life is precious, but in a nation of 330 million people those under 24 death counts are stunningly low. We can't live being afraid of every remote possible problem or freak bad luck. Over the same period the flu killed a lot more young people than COVID did and we didn't shut schools down for that. Shit more kids died in car accidents this year than they have from COVID, yet we still drive them to school and activities.

    So again rational people need to keep their heads, become informed and then use that information to make decisions that work best for their families and situations.

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    The flu kills more children than COVID-19, but COVID-19 kills more young adults. Many people in this forum, probably most of us, are over 24 years old, so your figures are meaningless for most of the people here. It's not just a matter of dying. Many young people who catch the virus become very sick and in many cases need hospitalization. Young people who catch the virus can still pass it to other people, some of whom may be in a high-risk group. The more people who have the virus, the more likely it is that people who don't have the virus will catch it.

    Rational people don't think they know better than leading scientists and doctors, what is the best method for containing the virus.

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    Eagle, it's very contagious so yes, many more people are going to catch it. We're just going to have to live with that fact now and stop believing that we have any realistic chance of suppressing it.

    The number of people 44 and under who have died from this is 5,826. Out of 129k+ who have died out of 330 million people nationwide, less than 6,000 were under 44 and frankly some believe that NY and NJ fudged their death numbers to even get it that high. Here in FL the number of people under 40 who have died from this is less than fifty and they all had several co-morbidities.

    So once again that brings us back to the land of rational decision-making. Some of us guys hanging around here may surely be older than 44, but most of the ladies here probably are not. Also, I brought up kids earlier because some of us around here are parents and we need to make decisions for them as well.

    As far as listening to scientists, who do you think published these numbers at the CDC, journalism experts? You should also be wary of any false assumption that you are following the science any more than anyone else because there are stunningly divergent views as to what the "science" is re: COVID.

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    I'm not disputing your figures or that young people are far less likely to die from COVID-19 than old people are. My main point is, death rates by age aren't the only factor young people should be concerned about. I've read of many cases, including one person here, of young people who caught the virus and didn't die, but became very seriously ill and had to go to the hospital. I read one account of a 30 year old female in NYC who caught the virus and became so ill that she had to get down on all fours, just to be able to breathe. Before she caught the virus, she was running 3 miles every day. Now she can't walk more than one or two blocks. Regardless of how likely it is for a person to die from the virus at a specific age, young people are far better off if they don't catch it at all.

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    Eagle I've read those stories too. But they're one-offs. The overwhelming majority of young people who get it are asymptomatic or experience very mild symptoms. We just can't make decisions about how we tackle everyday needs and activities based upon freak worst case scenarios.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    41 year old actor Nick Cordero died after months-long battle with COVID-19 complications. I don't know if he had any other medical conditions, but he wasn't overweight. I also read that he had to get one of his legs amputated.
    diabetic thus in a high risk group

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    People get horribly ill from the flu ; from pneumonia and other things regardless of their age and overall state of health. Sometimes fatally.

    Rick , myself ,GR and others are talking about the odds , the percentages of catching Covid ; getting seriously ill ( I mean HOSPITALIZED ! ) and God forbid dying. We never shut down because of the flu ; or meningitis or a host of other serious and highly contagious diseases. The states and countries that have low death rates protected their elderly and did not release infected prisoners from prison or jail. That is the most key stat; the DEATH RATE. Next is the hospitalization rate. A lot of these "new cases " are young, healthy, asymptomatic people who tested positive for either the virus or Covid antibodies. With all these new cases the key stats to keep watching are the death rate and the hospitalization rate.

    Btw, the latest studies on the use of hydroxychloroquine show it halves the death rate.

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    and noone should think they should self administer meds, like the lady giving to her daughter who died. Drugs must be given in proper dosages and not mixed with others that may cause a fatal reaction.

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    I just want to clarify that if the numbers were switched, and children died at the same rate the elderly and people with health conditions are dying now, you all would support that this is serious and we need to do whatever we can to stop it? The arguments you all are using only work on those who already believe the same as you. A lot of people who support reasonable actions to combat this don’t care about the age of the victim, just that people are dying.

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    Kam, I get where you're coming from. But for me the "who" and "how many" do matter because they speak to how we can reasonably protect those who need it while still keeping a functioning society. Children cannot reasonably protect themselves from this but most older adults can. If a 70 year old man with several co-morbidities catches it now, despite everything that we know, then either he didn't protect himself or, if he is in assisted living, the facility failed in its job to keep him safe.

    Florida is increasingly becoming the model for keeping a functioning society while COVID is with us. Yes it is spreading faster now, yet our death rates are not spiking. Why? Because now it is mostly young people getting it. We have our nursing facilities on lockdown and most of the rest of our vulnerable population is taking steps to protect themselves (masks, sanitizing, etc.). Heck county health departments here will give free PPE to anyone who calls and asks for it.

    This understanding of who COVID is really deadly to is how FL, a state of 22 million people (larger than NY's population), has kept deaths to under 4,000 even while it opened early, closed later and had very loose lockdowns even when they did exist. Now our kids are back playing sports and getting ready to return to school and parents are increasingly returning to their job sites.

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    There's a very well known guy in the stripping industry here who claimed it was just a hoax to take down Trump.

    Younger guy, in very good shape.

    Guess who's now sick as a fucking dog with the virus?
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    Default Re: As states reopen, here’s how you protect yourself from the coming surge

    70 isn’t that old nowadays, plenty of people work well into their 70s, including many politicians who refuse(d) to use a mask. My grandmother was over 100 thus why her dying wasn’t a shock, she was a rarity and thus for her she needed to be isolated from a lot of people and things.

    They also aren’t all in homes which newsflash are staffed by younger people with families. Where I live decent nursing homes cost around 10k a month, do you think all old people can afford that?

    Also because of Medicare the elderly have better health benefits in as much that they have contact with doctors unlike numerous young adults. For this to engulf a population which by in large are the most monitored medically how on earth would that look if it hit another population? Everyone who is engaging in society has the responsibility to be safe. You also didn’t answer.
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    I did address your question: IMHO it is an apples and bananas comparison for reasons I made very clear. As far as the rest, FL has managed to protect nursing homes very well and our more mobile seniors are doing the same for themselves. At this point if a 70 year old man with several co-morbidities is dumb enough to leave the house without PPE then that is on him. We can't keep our kids out of school and activities forever or their parents out of work just to protect those who should know better by now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    There's a very well known guy in the stripping industry here who claimed it was just a hoax to take down Trump.

    Younger guy, in very good shape.

    Guess who's now sick as a fucking dog with the virus?
    remember that pro basketball dude who said the same thing, touched all the mics before he left his interview with reporters.

    turned out he had coronavirus (asymptomatic) and infected a couple of his teammates.

    I’d protect myself by either avoiding the people who are lackadaisical about it or keeping my mask on plus social distancing plus sanitizer

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    Quote Originally Posted by OmegaWest View Post
    diabetic thus in a high risk group
    According to his wife, he had no underlying conditions.

    https://nypost.com/2020/07/06/nick-c...e-coronavirus/

    From the above article:

    The recent father, 41, had no underlying conditions, his wife Amanda Kloots has said, and his health struggles lasted long after he repeatedly tested negative for the virus.

    The timeline of his decline is a tragic reminder that even young, healthy people with no pre-existing health issues — such as diabetes or obesity — can still die after catching the coronavirus.

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    Yes eagle, we get it. One off freakishly bad luck deaths can occur with COVID. You can continue to dig up these outlier occurrences all day long, but it doesn't change the numbers or the odds. Those numbers are very clear given the CDC information above. People die each year from lightening strikes too, but it doesn't keep us from leaving the house every time it rains.

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    I was correcting OmegaWest, who said he had diabetes.

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    I'm starting to wonder if I'm an asymptomatic carrier.

    The only two guys I know who got this locally are in the other two stripclubs here.

    I've been running the same exact risk levels as them since this started, was one of several people in my own club who had some flu-like crud in january, and we had more foreign girls back then. Including a couple girls from Italy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I'm starting to wonder if I'm an asymptomatic carrier.

    The only two guys I know who got this locally are in the other two stripclubs here.

    I've been running the same exact risk levels as them since this started, was one of several people in my own club who had some flu-like crud in january, and we had more foreign girls back then. Including a couple girls from Italy.
    Nothing would surprise me with this virus. It’s quite possible it hides out in tissue and reactives. That’s not what they think. I mean you “shouldn’t be contagious” but for a short amount of time you have the virus. No one knows enough to say anything conclusively.

    I plan on donating blood to see if I have the antibodies. Highly doubt it, but I need to donate blood anyways. The Red Cross is doing free antibody test with donations-btw

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I'm starting to wonder if I'm an asymptomatic carrier.

    The only two guys I know who got this locally are in the other two stripclubs here.

    I've been running the same exact risk levels as them since this started, was one of several people in my own club who had some flu-like crud in january, and we had more foreign girls back then. Including a couple girls from Italy.
    The mayor of Atlanta just confirmed she has coronavirus....she said she has zero symptoms

    I believe you can take tests when you believe you’ve been exposed. Also there’s the antibody test.

    I’m too lazy to post my sources right now so you’ll have to websearch.

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    Default Re: As states reopen, here’s how you protect yourself from the coming surge

    Dozens of hospitals in Florida have run out of ICU beds.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ve-updates-us/

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Dozens of hospitals in Florida have run out of ICU beds.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/natio...ve-updates-us/
    Sigh. Your link says nothing about ICU beds in Florida. Besides, there are other reasons patients are put into ICU's besides just Covid.

    On April 21, the 7-day rolling average deaths per day for patients positive for COVID was 2,225. Not all died from COVID but they had the virus. The latest number is 511 deaths per day. The daily death rate for nursing home patients over the last 10 years averaged out to about 1400 per day. Sweden's COVID death rate is now in the single digits per day.

    The death rate for COVID patients under 70 is 0.04%. For those under 40 it is 0.005 %. Does anyone have the latest stats for those under 30 ? 21 and under ? I don't but I will bet it is lower than 0.005 % and for those without an underlying condition I will guess it is less than half for those under 40.

    According to hospital administrators and heads of ICU's in Houston they have gone from about 100 hospitalized COVID patients to about 700 on a daily average. BUT those patients are younger and less sick than those they were seeing and treating in April and May. Other states are reporting similar stats.

    One area of serious concern is the major spike in cases among seasonal workers. They tend to live in multi-generational homes in close proximity to each other.

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    Yes some FL hospitals are running out of ICU beds. So we move them to hospitals that do have capacity and build out temporary capacity if necessary. We have been prepared for that here for months. Truth be told, those hospital ICUs tend to run at 80% occupancy during the best of times, so it doesn't take much to push them over.

    Deaths continue to trend low and our medical system, as a whole, is not strained. As Eric mentioned, the people getting it now are trending very young and are recovering. People in places like NY and NJ are getting a lot more dramatic about FL than people in FL are, lol.

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    The Atlantic, May 21, has the story, headlined, “How could the CDC make that mistake?”

    I’ll give you the key quotes, and then comment on the stark inference The Atlantic somehow failed to grasp.

    “We’ve learned that the CDC is making, at best, a debilitating mistake: combining test results that diagnose current coronavirus infections with test results that measure whether someone has ever had the virus…The agency confirmed to The Atlantic on Wednesday that it is mixing the results of viral [PCR] and antibody tests, even though the two tests reveal different information and are used for different reasons.”

    "Several states—including Pennsylvania, the site of one of the country’s largest outbreaks, as well as Texas, Georgia, and Vermont—are blending the data in the same way. Virginia likewise mixed viral and antibody test results until last week, but it reversed course and the governor apologized for the practice after it was covered by the Richmond Times-Dispatch and The Atlantic. Maine similarly separated its data on Wednesday; Vermont authorities claimed they didn’t even know they were doing this.”

    "’You’ve got to be kidding me,’ Ashish Jha, the K. T. Li Professor of Global Health at Harvard and the director of the Harvard Global Health Institute, told us when we described what the CDC was doing. ‘How could the CDC make that mistake? This is a mess’.”

    “The CDC stopped publishing anything resembling a complete database of daily [COVID] test results on February 29. When it resumed publishing test data last week [the middle of May]…”

    First of all, the CDC’s basic mission is publishing disease statistics on an ongoing basis. Reporting partial data flies in the face of what they’re supposed to be all about.
    But the big deal, of course, is combining results from two different tests—the PCR and the antibody—and placing them in one lump.

    I’ve read the Atlantic article forwards, backwards, and sideways, and it appears the experts believe only PCR viral tests should be used to count the number of COVID cases.

    So here is a takeaway I find nowhere in the Atlantic article: COMBINING THE TWO TESTS WILL VASTLY INFLATE THE NUMBER OF CASES.

    https://blog.nomorefakenews.com/2020...on-at-the-cdc/

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    Default Re: As states reopen, here’s how you protect yourself from the coming surge

    Someone on here was asking how Covid deaths are counted.

    Birx says government is classifying all deaths of patients with coronavirus as 'COVID-19' deaths, regardless of cause.

    The federal government is classifying the deaths of patients infected with the coronavirus as COVID-19 deaths, regardless of any underlying health issues that could have contributed to the loss of someone's life.

    Dr. Deborah Birx, the response coordinator for the White House coronavirus task force, said the federal government is continuing to count the suspected COVID-19 deaths, despite other nations doing the opposite.

    "There are other countries that if you had a pre-existing condition, and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU [intensive care unit] and then have a heart or kidney problem," she said during a Tuesday news briefing at the White House. "Some countries are recording that as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death.

    "The intent is ... if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that," she added.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bir...dless-of-cause

    So here you go, from the mouth of Birx. And if you don't know yet, hospitals receive from the Federal government $13K per Covid death and $39K per person placed on a ventilator.

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