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    OK fine. You tell us. Where did it come from ?

    globalization, climate change, natural disasters and human to animal contact because of compromised or manipulated habitats.

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    ...Imho it results from your ideology driving your reading i.e. you are prone to cherry picking and ignoring information you do not like or which does not fit your preferred paradigms. Now you exhibit apparent difficulty in listening to the spoken word and WATCHING the speaker....
    I suggest you resist throwing stones from that glass house.

    I watched it, then later watched him claim he was '...just being sarcastic.'

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    globalization, climate change, natural disasters and human to animal contact because of compromised or manipulated habitats.
    Overbreeding any species always results in increased disease. We humans think we are above this fundamental rule because we wear clothes, drive automobiles, watch television, etc.

    Mother Earth knows better.

    We can probably expect more epidemics in decades to come, and worse.
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    Sigh. You have demonstrated occasional difficulty with reading comprehension. NO I am not attacking your intellectual abilities. Imho it results from your ideology driving your reading i.e. you are prone to cherry picking and ignoring information you do not like or which does not fit your preferred paradigms. Now you exhibit apparent difficulty in listening to the spoken word and WATCHING the speaker. Who do you think Trump kept turning to for affirmation and confirmation of what he was saying ? It was FAUCI and BIRX neither of whom corrected him and both were nodding their heads. More importantly he was clearly speaking about EXPLORING , TESTING various modalities. He was clearly spitballing ideas. He NEVER suggested snorting or drinking bleach or any other disinfectant yet the "drive by , fake news " media continually says that he did. There are some internal DISINFECTING therapies that have been around for years to treat various types of infections. How do you think we treat amoebic dysentery for instance ? What do you think is in the enemas the patients are given ?
    Please stop with your gaslighting. It's right there in front of your face on the video. Djoser understands what he said, and so does everyone else. Continuing to insist he didn't say it, is not going to change the fact that he did. It's so obvious that comedians are even doing entire routines on what he said. Perhaps if you watch her act it out, you will understand what he said.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    OK fine. You tell us. Where did it come from ?
    Most likely, a wet market in Wuhan:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7153464/

    The initial outbreak was reported in the market in December 2019 and involved about 66% of the staff there.

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    It's so obvious that comedians are even doing entire routines on what he said. Perhaps if you watch her act it out, you will understand what he said.

    This was one of the funniest videos I've ever seen. I've seen it before, but still hilarious.
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    Most likely, a wet market in Wuhan:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7153464/
    Maybe those who hosted Event 201 know the origin of Sars-Covid-2.

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    [QUOTE=eagle2;3180103]Over 138,000 Americans have died from this virus, and your biggest concern is what the government will do to stop it from spreading?!


    When the supposed leaders of some states insist on sending infected patients into nursing homes to kill the most vulnerable then it makes perfect sense for individuals to not trust that such government officials will act in the best interest of the citizens who elected them.

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    And when children return to schools, they are required to wear a mask ALL DAY LONG according to CDC's guidelines for reopening of schools. And that is just ONE of the policies kids would have to be subjected to, among MANY others. Watching all the Asian people wearing masks all these years, I now realize, it was a dry run and indoctrination for what to come here. It's going to be a tool used continually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I suggest you resist throwing stones from that glass house.

    I watched it, then later watched him claim he was '...just being sarcastic.'

    You know what ? I AGREE with you. His sarcasm claim was total bullshit afaic. I don't like Trump and I certainly don't like his style. But there is so much legitimate stuff to go after him with that there is no need to make things up. For his critics , the documented truth ought to be good enough. Or bad enough depending on your pov.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Most likely, a wet market in Wuhan:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7153464/
    That is possible but then you have to ignore all the evidence that it escaped from a lab i.e. a worker there was exposed to it and didn't decontaminate properly.
    China has been even more hush hush about the lab in Wuhan than it was about the wet market. Which was reopened btw.

    I NEVER said it was created in a Chinese lab; only that it originated there for which there is plenty of evidence. Gordon Chang is a recognized expert on China and the Far East and that is his theory. The Taiwanese , Australians and British all agree that is most likely what happened.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adelina View Post
    And when children return to schools, they are required to wear a mask ALL DAY LONG according to CDC's guidelines for reopening of schools. And that is just ONE of the policies kids would have to be subjected to, among MANY others. Watching all the Asian people wearing masks all these years, I now realize, it was a dry run and indoctrination for what to come here. It's going to be a tool used continually.
    Hmmm. I dunno. Even a confirmed libertarian like me supports mandatory mask usage. Using masks and quarantining the infected have proven to be the best ways of arresting the spread of this disease.

    As for schoolchildren , while the total death rate for those under 18 is around 30 they can certainly infect teachers and other adults working in the schools so I don't have a problem with requiring them to wear masks. I'm sorry but I don't see mask requirements as part of some sort of "deep state " takeover. Asians wear masks because they work. Just look at the Covid rates in Taiwan , Hong Kong , Singapore, South Korea and other Asian countries. Australia had an almost total travel ban and their Covid cases are in the single digits. Notice that I omit Commie China because nothing coming from that country ought to be believed or relied upon.

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    The scientific factual basis for this is WHAT ????
    Really? Ok here’s some things to support the prevailing scientific thought. I just have to say that as a former debate captain this thread makes my brain hurt.


    https://www.unenvironment.org/news-a...ow-break-chain


    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...r-covid-19-aoe

    “these zoonotic diseases are linked to environmental change and human behaviour. The disruption of pristine forests driven by logging, mining, road building through remote places, rapid urbanisation and population growth is bringing people into closer contact with animal species they may never have been near before, she says.
    The resulting transmission of disease from wildlife to humans, she says, is now “a hidden cost of human economic development. There are just so many more of us, in every environment. We are going into largely undisturbed places and being exposed more and more. We are creating habitats where viruses are transmitted more easily, and then we are surprised that we have new ones.”

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    That is possible but then you have to ignore all the evidence that it escaped from a lab i.e. a worker there was exposed to it and didn't decontaminate properly.
    China has been even more hush hush about the lab in Wuhan than it was about the wet market. Which was reopened btw.
    There is no evidence it escaped from a lab, and a lot that it didn't. Please read this:
    https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...evidence-shows

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    I NEVER said it was created in a Chinese lab; only that it originated there for which there is plenty of evidence. Gordon Chang is a recognized expert on China and the Far East and that is his theory. The Taiwanese , Australians and British all agree that is most likely what happened.
    Adelina said it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Most likely, a wet market in Wuhan:

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7153464/
    We still do not know if it started in the wet market or it was brought there. It definitely spread there. Likewise there is no evidence it was created in a lab BUT it has never been debunked that a lab worker ended up spreading the virus. China has not permitted any type of investigation into the origins of Covid.

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    Really? Ok here’s some things to support the prevailing scientific thought. I just have to say that as a former debate captain this thread makes my brain hurt.


    https://www.unenvironment.org/news-a...ow-break-chain


    https://www.theguardian.com/environm...r-covid-19-aoe

    “these zoonotic diseases are linked to environmental change and human behaviour. The disruption of pristine forests driven by logging, mining, road building through remote places, rapid urbanisation and population growth is bringing people into closer contact with animal species they may never have been near before, she says.
    The resulting transmission of disease from wildlife to humans, she says, is now “a hidden cost of human economic development. There are just so many more of us, in every environment. We are going into largely undisturbed places and being exposed more and more. We are creating habitats where viruses are transmitted more easily, and then we are surprised that we have new ones.”
    This is nothing new. We have had lots of pathogens that spread from animals to humans. Ever hear of the plague ? Goes back to Biblical times.

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    Default Re: As states reopen, here’s how you protect yourself from the coming surge

    How I protect myself. I wear masks whilst staying far away from people who refuse to wear masks

    Guy who refused to buy into the “hype” n refused to wear mask dies of coronavirus https://people.com/health/ohio-veter...s-coronavirus/

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    Quote Originally Posted by sugartaste View Post
    Hey all-just popping on here to let everyone know, that I had such a severe case of Covid that 2 weeks ago, I was admitted to the hospital for pneumonia. My o2 was 82 when I was admitted and dropped over four times, in two days, to 79 (75 is generally when you’re intubated). I also had a variety of symptoms such as getting extremely short of breath just from sitting up in bed, inflammation of my sinuses that were so bad my ears were clogged for an entire MONTH (and not relieved at all by Claritin and Sudafed), continuous low-grade fever that occasionally rose to 103-4, extreme burning pain in my lower legs and ankles due to blood coagulation, and 5 days before my admission, I began vomiting and couldn’t even keep water down. The first thing they gave me at the hospital was Zofran, an anti-emetic, just so I could keep other medicines down.
    Two weeks later I’m finally feeling better, I’ve been out of the hospital for a week now. But I remain in isolation at home until Sunday, which will be 28 days since I got severely ill (my doctors told me 14 days isn’t enough, some people are still shedding only two weeks in). I was a participant in a trial study for the antiviral Remdesivor (not approved by the FDA); it literally “killed” the Covid all over my body (had a CT scan at the hospital)-but one of the “symptoms” of the viral
    shedding is that my mucus And phlegm are tinged with blood. It gets less tinged every day but I still occasionally have some still.
    It was the most horrifying experience of my life, and I’m now back in therapy just so I don’t end up getting PTSD. I also cannot return to work (I’ve been a massage therapist for five years now) until September at the earliest. It’s literally not safe for either me or my clients, and I also lost 10lbs and all of my muscle
    Tone, and I was already very slim.
    I’m 39 years old and have NO underlying health conditions. My blood was tested every day at the hospital and except for a white blood cell count the first few days-ALL of my bloodwork came out perfect every single time. My doctors actually said “perfect”.
    So please-take this virus seriously, stay safe, and don’t believe the conservatives and conspiracy theorists who say Covid “is a hoax”/“just a flu”/“you’ll be fine unless you’re really old or have underlying health problems”. They have NO clue about how devastating and downright evil this virus is. I actually thought I was going to die in that hospital, with no loved ones allowed by my side. PLEASE stay safe!!!!!
    Thank you for sharing. I am so sorry you went through this. Good on you for getting in therapy quickly after a near-death experience. I hope you feel 100% soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    That is one city in one state. There are hot spots but the data is clear : if you are young and healthy you will NOT die from Covid. We agree ( I think ) that social distancing and wearing a mask ought to be de riguer.

    Over half the total U.S. Covid deaths were among the elderly and infirm. Cuomo and Murphy let Covid loose in N.J and N.Y. nursing homes. DeSantis and Abbott did far more to protect the elderly in Florida and Texas. As has been noted, the Swedes couldn't make up their minds what to do.

    Florida has something like 3,000 total Covid deaths. New York has over 25,000 with a lower population. N.J. has far more deaths than Florida and Texas.
    It is going to be terrible when you eat these words in 10-14 days. The death rate of covid-19 peaks weeks after the positive cases. Sadly the deaths are coming and as others have posted above, hospitalizations are increasing rapidly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    There is no evidence it escaped from a lab, and a lot that it didn't. Please read this:
    https://www.latimes.com/science/stor...evidence-shows



    Adelina said it.
    "Dr. Francis Boyle Creator Of BioWeapons Act Says Coronavirus Is Biological Warfare Weapon". You can find an interview with him on YouTube if it hasn't been removed yet by the all-watching eye.

    https://greatgameindia.com/dr-franci...arfare-weapon/

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    I read somewhere that it's recommended to take Elderberry, Zinc and vitamin C and D3 daily to boost your immune system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    Overbreeding any species always results in increased disease. We humans think we are above this fundamental rule because we wear clothes, drive automobiles, watch television, etc.

    Mother Earth knows better.

    We can probably expect more epidemics in decades to come, and worse.

    As out population surpasses 8 billion people on this rock we can expect a lot of things.

    For one, there is absolutely no way an increasingly automated world I’d going to supply jobs that support 8 billion people. It just won’t take that much manpower to get everything needed to be done, done. Not unless we drastically rethink markets and how they function, as well as what defines a decent standard of living.
    Fiat justitia, pereat mundus.


    BTW, while we are on the subject, is it needed to point out the obvious: That it is just possible that if you are willing to judge the worth of someone simply by what you read on a website about them it might say a whole hell of a lot more about you than it says about the person you are judging?

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    Fauci , Trump , Birx , Hannity , Limbaugh, Maddow, Lemon , Blitzer, Fox News , MSNBC , CNN, Pelosi , Schumer , BIDEN ( just let me know when you want me to stop ) lots of Governors and Mayors and dozens of so-called experts have repeatedly been WRONG about Covid. So was Cuomo and his idiot Health Commissioner who virtually welcomed Covid into nursing homes and now refuse to take any responsibility but instead have tried to blame Trump. Do I think they did that deliberately ? Highly unlikely but they certainly acted with arrogance and with heads well up their asses. But let's just focus on Fauci. If you track what that man has said about Covid since it popped up on the media radar around the beginning of the year he has been consistently wrong and off-base. About its potential severity ; ease of contagion ; impact ; treatment ; available resources ; treatment and most importantly about how the public ought to react and behave in response. He went from a "What me worry " Dr. Feelgood to a doom and gloom Cassandra . With occasional revisiting of both extremes from time to time. He is the supposed expert yet he has been wrong and said things that are no longer valid just as much as Trump. It's there in the record. Just a superficial google search will give you dozens and dozens of examples.
    At the beginning of the month, we were having approximately 40,000 cases a day. Trump said, it will just go away and was calling for states to reopen. Fauci was saying we could see as many as 100,000 cases if we don't get things under control and warned that far worse conditions are ahead without new efforts to tamp down spread. We're now at more than 73,000 new cases a day. I think it's pretty clear who was right and who wasn't. Trump's response has been a disaster, one of the worst in the world, and we're one of the most medically advanced countries in the world and had earlier warning than most other western countries.
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