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    Usually I think everyone where I live in a giant baby but I took my dog to a local park for the first time since March today and it was packed. I was shocked, not only a ton of people walking around but big groups playing sports, the fenced in dog park was packed (we didn't go in). I think we're definitely going to be in for a second wave and shutdown.
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    So our governor is letting cities make rules about masks; most promptly said "Yep masks will be mandatory in public". The girls at one of my clubs are flipping shit, "It's not fair, wah wah", trying to find exemptions in the order so they don't have to wear masks.

    I hate them, so much. Stop whining. Order a sparkly bejeweled mask on Etsy that matches your outfits. Wear a sexy nurse costume. Make it work. Stop being whiny little bitches and wear a goddamn mask!
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    Florida and Texas and Arizona and California and S Carolina now all showing record numbers of cases
    In Florida, new cases have doubled from 1,900 to 3,800 in just one week. I think Florida has more new cases than any other state.

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    I have some shocking news folks. COVID will be around for some time to come. This may be a surprising to some, but to those who are paying attention it's become quite clear that shutting down has not made it go away. So it goes to figure that increasing social interactions will inevitably trigger additional cases.

    And? We couldn't stay shut down forever. The costs of these lockdowns are staggering in terms of lives lost to other illnesses, mental health issues, financial ruin of individuals and businesses, lost jobs and lost education time for millions of children as well as lost once-in-a-lifetime opportunities that they will never get back. Also some states are running out of money, including CA and NY, who essentially had to be starved into re-opening.

    I can't speak for the other states with spikes, but now that we've dramatically expanded testing here in FL the average age of those who are testing positive is in the 30s. Most of them didn't even know they had it. Hospitalizations remain under control and death rates are low, primarily because we continue to aggressively protect senior housing.

    So we can be melodramatic about each higher than normal testing day, but it doesn't change the realities. Relatively few people here in FL are particularly worried because we are well informed about who this is dangerous to and who is at low risk.

    FL is likely not going to shut down again nor should it. We need our kids back in school, our workforce back in the workplace and young people who are at low risk for serious issues to continue living their lives. Some other states have adopted a similar common sense approach. In fact, eventually all states are going to have to embrace this approach because if there even ever is a vaccine it is likely a year or more away.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    I have some shocking news folks. COVID will be around for some time to come. This may be a surprising to some, but to those who are paying attention it's become quite clear that shutting down has not made it go away. So it goes to figure that increasing social interactions will inevitably trigger additional cases.

    And? We couldn't stay shut down forever. The costs of these lockdowns are staggering in terms of lives lost to other illnesses, mental health issues, financial ruin of individuals and businesses, lost jobs and lost education time for millions of children as well as lost once-in-a-lifetime opportunities that they will never get back. Also some states are running out of money, including CA and NY, who essentially had to be starved into re-opening.

    I can't speak for the other states with spikes, but now that we've dramatically expanded testing here in FL the average age of those who are testing positive is in the 30s. Most of them didn't even know they had it. Hospitalizations remain under control and death rates are low, primarily because we continue to aggressively protect senior housing.

    So we can be melodramatic about each higher than normal testing day, but it doesn't change the realities. Relatively few people here in FL are particularly worried because we are well informed about who this is dangerous to and who is at low risk.

    FL is likely not going to shut down again nor should it. We need our kids back in school, our workforce back in the workplace and young people who are at low risk for serious issues to continue living their lives. Some other states have adopted a similar common sense approach. In fact, eventually all states are going to have to embrace this approach because if there even ever is a vaccine it is likely a year or more away.
    I actually don't disagree with much of your post. But assuming all this is true, why aren't people with your POV being the biggest champions for wearing masks? That should be all you are talking about. That will you know help open things up and prove we can contain this.

    And maybe certain businesses are done or will completely change because of our new way of life. Bars, restaurants, sporting events, clubs, conventions, and sorry to say (don't kill me) strip clubs. Because in a global economy we will be exposed not only to COVID again but also to continuous spread of diseases.

    People who place their economic needs at the top of the pyramid need to be adaptable, not our sick and elderly. The general public does not need to support passe industries just because it hurts a business owner who doesn't want to face reality. We need to restructure this idea of being crowded in together makes us more human. Because none of those businesses are more important then saving lives. Yes there are retirement homes, but there are plenty of people who are at risk who do not live in a home and we need to remember they are a part of our society.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamiliam View Post
    I actually don't disagree with much of your post. But assuming all this is true, why aren't people with your POV being the biggest champions for wearing masks? That should be all you are talking about. That will you know help open things up and prove we can contain this.

    And maybe certain businesses are done or will completely change because of our new way of life. Bars, restaurants, sporting events, clubs, conventions, and sorry to say (don't kill me) strip clubs. Because in a global economy we will be exposed not only to COVID again but also to continuous spread of diseases.

    People who place their economic needs at the top of the pyramid need to be adaptable, not our sick and elderly. The general public does not need to support passe industries just because it hurts a business owner who doesn't want to face reality. We need to restructure this idea of being crowded in together makes us more human. Because none of those businesses are more important then saving lives. Yes there are retirement homes, but there are plenty of people who are at risk who do not live in a home and we need to remember they are a part of our society.
    I fully support anyone who feels the need to be protected from the virus, including the sick and elderly, to wear masks and even gloves if it helps. I think where we run into trouble is in trying to universally impose that upon people who are at very low risk, most especially children. How can you make children feel normal again when they have to wear a face mask to go outside and play with their friends? I won't do that to my children. I can understand the requirement for indoor public venues in areas that have been hard hit, but requiring face masks everywhere, including outdoors, is a little draconian.

    But I think you under estimate the importance of those businesses to the economic and even emotional health of the country.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    I fully support anyone who feels the need to be protected from the virus, including the sick and elderly, to wear masks and even gloves if it helps. I think where we run into trouble is in trying to universally impose that upon people who are at very low risk, most especially children. How can you make children feel normal again when they have to wear a face mask to go outside and play with their friends? I won't do that to my children. I can understand the requirement for indoor public venues in areas that have been hard hit, but requiring face masks everywhere, including outdoors, is a little draconian.

    But I think you under estimate the importance of those businesses to the economic and even emotional health of the country.
    Why? Do your children wear clothing? Yeah you may worry about their safety and that is PART of the reason you put clothes on them but it is a requirement for them to wear it if you don't want to be arrested. The kids will understand it just fine. It just takes someone without bias to explain it to them. I don't believe those in countries that often wear masks when sick are scarred from it. Also although deadly cases of covid are rare amongst children I have yet to see a study or even an article state that children aren’t carriers. If you have could you send me a link?

    Why are those businesses as they stand today so important? Why can they not change? I never said they shouldn't exist. Do you think we will be having sporting events the same way in 50 years? Things are already changing from a world you grew up in. You are not the future. Why can't they show how essential they are by progressing? You can look at restaurants everywhere else but N America to see how hard they are trying to stay compliant and with the times. Yeah it may take money for those modifications, but that is the cost of operating a business. Just like insurance, rent, employees, taxes. It would also be similar to having to be in compliance with the liquor board, the health inspectors etc, fire codes. If you are not maintaining standard of safety you are not entitled to stay in business. If you believe those rules are all draconian then say so. otherwise it is not out of a government's reach to mandate face coverings.

    I understand where you are coming from, but logically those arguments have a number of holes. You can't use "Change is annoying" for the reason you don't evolve.
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    I wish our government had a better plan like making everyone have a recent COVID negative test or something before they can go party.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamiliam View Post
    Why? Do your children wear clothing? Yeah you may worry about their safety and that is PART of the reason you put clothes on them but it is a requirement for them to wear it if you don't want to be arrested. The kids will understand it just fine. It just takes someone without bias to explain it to them. I don't believe those in countries that often wear masks when sick are scarred from it. Also although deadly cases of covid are rare amongst children I have yet to see a study or even an article state that children aren’t carriers. If you have could you send me a link?

    Why are those businesses as they stand today so important? Why can they not change? I never said they shouldn't exist. Do you think we will be having sporting events the same way in 50 years? Things are already changing from a world you grew up in. You are not the future. Why can't they show how essential they are by progressing? You can look at restaurants everywhere else but N America to see how hard they are trying to stay compliant and with the times. Yeah it may take money for those modifications, but that is the cost of operating a business. Just like insurance, rent, employees, taxes. It would also be similar to having to be in compliance with the liquor board, the health inspectors etc, fire codes. If you are not maintaining standard of safety you are not entitled to stay in business. If you believe those rules are all draconian then say so. otherwise it is not out of a government's reach to mandate face coverings.

    I understand where you are coming from, but logically those arguments have a number of holes. You can't use "Change is annoying" for the reason you don't evolve.
    Do you have kids? I have 3. Have you ever tried to send them out to run around in 90 degree weather with masks on their faces? Heck our schools aren't going to even try to enforce masks because of the pointlessness of trying to do so.

    As far as your thoughts on sporting events and bars, we shall see, but I don't think that most sports fans or bar patrons are as worried about it as you are. Anything is possible, but between the economics, which require fan butts in seats, and the desire of those fans to be there, I doubt that COVID is going to be some industry altering impetus. The country has lived through virus scares before and this won't be the last. We might go through a season with limited to no attendance, but by the 2021 sports seasons we will likely be back to normal.

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    I am around/communicate with children often. I have had full fledged convos about how they are feeling about the whole situation. They don’t love not going to school or seeing their friends, but they understand why. They are kind of rolling with it. We talked about masks and they seem to understand common sense of when they are needed. Just to point out your reality isn’t everyone’s. Where I live there isn’t really AC so kids would prefer to just be outside in the summer and a mask would be a minor inconvenience rather then being stuck inside, schools are also requiring face masks next year.

    I hope there isn’t a full blown second wave. I could also hope that we won’t face another pandemic that threatens our normal. I have very little hope in that, and the American people have shown that they will not voluntarily step up to inconvenience ourselves to mitigate future situations.

    The tone of your first post I responded to was that we would need to adjust to the idea that this is the new normal. I agree with that, however that doesn’t mean we sit back and twiddle our thumbs about how we deal with a spread of a virus. You mention the people who go to events not caring as much as I do. That maybe true, but I care very little about what they want, and it doesn’t matter because Bob from down the street doesn’t decide how we deal with a pandemic. Maybe indirectly at a very local level, but the experts who actually make these decisions( often at the state level without worldwide pressure) will not care about about Bob either. So shouldn’t Bob and his buddies be doing everything they can to maintain their all important normalcy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    I fully support anyone who feels the need to be protected from the virus, including the sick and elderly, to wear masks and even gloves if it helps. I think where we run into trouble is in trying to universally impose that upon people who are at very low risk, most especially children. How can you make children feel normal again when they have to wear a face mask to go outside and play with their friends? I won't do that to my children. I can understand the requirement for indoor public venues in areas that have been hard hit, but requiring face masks everywhere, including outdoors, is a little draconian.

    But I think you under estimate the importance of those businesses to the economic and even emotional health of the country.
    The purpose of masks isn't just to protect the person wearing one. It's also to protect others in close proximity. Most masks aren't 100% effective, and a person in a high-risk group wearing a mask, is far less likely to catch the virus if the people around that person are wearing masks also. Some people may consider wearing a mask to be an inconvenience, but for others, it could be a matter of life and death.

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    The problem is that many folks are no longer buying the melodramatic "it's a matter of life or death" squeals, especially those in places that were not very hard hit by deaths. Now it's pretty easy to convince people to wear them when they are in large public gatherings with elderly, but otherwise it's becoming an increasingly tough sell, even in places like the northeast. Especially outdoors, where we now know that the risk of transmission is extremely low unless you're packing yourself body to body in a city center for some reason or another.

    As far as the kids go, you can have all the intellectual conversations with them that you want, but until you run them outdoors or take them to a pool you don't understand the realities of actual compliance. It's just not going to happen. Speaking from experience, we can manage to keep them in a mask for a short time at church, but anything beyond that is impossible. See how quickly those masks come off when kids are biking down the street, or how likely it is to have them throw one back on when they jump out of a pool. Again, this is why school administrators here don't intend to even try and good luck to the wunderkinds trying to pull it off in any elementary school setting pretty much anywhere else. It's simply ridiculous.

    If the want to protect the elderly, the only sure way is to make sure that they have the necessary PPE to protect themselves. I am all in favor, for example, of using Social Security Administration records to send PPE to every person receiving Social Security or Medicare benefits. This would allow these folks to protect themselves instead of continuing to push standards that are unlikely to be met in most places.

    Who these infections hit is far more important than how many there are. The reason we are not seeing spikes in hospitalizations here in Florida, despite the recent jumps in cases, is because the average age of the newly positive is 33. Shit most of them were asymptomatic. So let's enhance protection for the elderly and let everyone else get back to their lives, which frankly is the approach we should have considered 3 months ago before these disastrous lockdowns were implemented.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    The problem is that many folks are no longer buying the melodramatic "it's a matter of life or death" squeals, especially those in places that were not very hard hit by deaths. Now it's pretty easy to convince people to wear them when they are in large public gatherings with elderly, but otherwise it's becoming an increasingly tough sell, even in places like the northeast. Especially outdoors, where we now know that the risk of transmission is extremely low unless you're packing yourself body to body in a city center for some reason or another.

    As far as the kids go, you can have all the intellectual conversations with them that you want, but until you run them outdoors or take them to a pool you don't understand the realities of actual compliance. It's just not going to happen. Speaking from experience, we can manage to keep them in a mask for a short time at church, but anything beyond that is impossible. See how quickly those masks come off when kids are biking down the street, or how likely it is to have them throw one back on when they jump out of a pool. Again, this is why school administrators here don't intend to even try and good luck to the wunderkinds trying to pull it off in any elementary school setting pretty much anywhere else. It's simply ridiculous.

    If the want to protect the elderly, the only sure way is to make sure that they have the necessary PPE to protect themselves. I am all in favor, for example, of using Social Security Administration records to send PPE to every person receiving Social Security or Medicare benefits. This would allow these folks to protect themselves instead of continuing to push standards that are unlikely to be met in most places.

    Who these infections hit is far more important than how many there are. The reason we are not seeing spikes in hospitalizations here in Florida, despite the recent jumps in cases, is because the average age of the newly positive is 33. Shit most of them were asymptomatic. So let's enhance protection for the elderly and let everyone else get back to their lives, which frankly is the approach we should have considered 3 months ago before these disastrous lockdowns were implemented.
    Part of protecting the elderly is you and your family wearing masks whenever you are in contact with groups of people. Even if the young are experiencing lesser symptoms they are still contagious and increase the chances of another outbreak, which if large could jeopardize our economy even further. This is science. Without a vaccine all we have is wearing masks and basic hygiene. I want everyone who feels safe to go back to work even though for my job people being stuck at home has worked to MY advantage.

    The lockdown saved millions of lives.

    Every child is different but I respect your observations and I know what mine are. That's all I will say because you are entitled to frame this however you want for yourself and your family.

    https://www.businessinsider.com/can-...vidence-2020-5 (Note not a definitive answer but some insights)

    https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsan...ng-of-covid-19

    https://time.com/5838751/globalization-coronavirus/

    https://www.theatlantic.com/technolo...sponse/608596/

    in case anyone was curious.

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    Kam, I've read at least as many articles as you have on COVID and possibly more. Nobody knows how many lives the lockdowns really saved, but millions is rather absurd speculation given the "science" as we now understand it. FL's "lockdown" was as soft as you could imagine and we've been in opening phases for 7 weeks now. Total FL deaths = 3,144, in a state of 22 million people, including 5 million elderly. I think you may need to find better "science." In fact, the only reason that so many people died in NY, NJ and CT is that the morons in charge were sending contagious people back to nursing homes, which account for 50%+ of their deaths.

    Floridians are, on the whole, quite well versed in COVID issues now. We know that this kills mostly the very elderly - the average mortality age is 80 here. We know that we have not had a single reported death under 18 years of age. We know that the CDC now considers outdoor transmission highly unlikely and virtually impossible in chlorinated pools. Finally, given our experiences and all of the other inputs coming in, it's becoming increasingly clear that this virus is far less deadly than many panicky scientists originally thought.

    So when you ask people who see these things to live in conditions reminiscent of those during the Spanish flu, which was deadly to all, when much of this is becoming increasingly clear, you're going to face pushback. As more people in states like CA and NY, with much less forthcoming elected officials than our Governor, continue to see the picture more clearly, you can expect that pushback to continue to grow.

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    It's been made abundantly clear that Quarantine was intended to stop a surge of patients who would need ventilators to survive from flooding hospitals.

    On behalf of the medical community, I'm facepalming at the level of nonchalance about Covid 19. Really people, medical science is trying to help you right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    It's been made abundantly clear that Quarantine was intended to stop a surge of patients who would need ventilators to survive from flooding hospitals.

    On behalf of the medical community, I'm facepalming at the level of nonchalance about Covid 19. Really people, medical science is trying to help you right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    The problem is that many folks are no longer buying the melodramatic "it's a matter of life or death" squeals, especially those in places that were not very hard hit by deaths.
    This attitude is the reason why the US has over 120,000 deaths, more than any other country, and why we're still seeing the number of cases increasing in about half the states, while it's plummeting in other western countries. The US has over 18,000 new cases. Italy has 224, Spain 334, and France has 284.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    It's been made abundantly clear that Quarantine was intended to stop a surge of patients who would need ventilators to survive from flooding hospitals.

    On behalf of the medical community, I'm facepalming at the level of nonchalance about Covid 19. Really people, medical science is trying to help you right now.
    Snuff, with all due respect for whatever you do for a living, you don't speak for the entire medical community. You speak for yourself. There are increasingly divergent views in the medical community about the best way to manage this moving forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    This attitude is the reason why the US has over 120,000 deaths, more than any other country, and why we're still seeing the number of cases increasing in about half the states, while it's plummeting in other western countries. The US has over 18,000 new cases. Italy has 224, Spain 334, and France has 284.

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
    No eagle, we have 120,000 deaths because of a kinda' bad virus. Any notion that we can ever control the behaviors and decisions of 330 million diverse people spread across a vast country like the U.S. is asinine. Many of the people who died probably could have protected themselves better but didn't, excluding of course the tens of thousands of helpless nursing home victims courtesy of the gross negligence of NY, NJ and CT.

    Yes we have more cases here in FL, but much of that is coming from increased testing, though positivity rates are once again going up. But relatively few people here give a shit anymore because the new positives are overwhelmingly young and, with the exception of Miami, hospitalizations are not rising much.

    So now it's time to further protect the elderly, from themselves if necessary, so that the rest of us can keep on living, including our children.

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    Hey Ricky. I have been real chill but I just wanted to remind you or tell you if you never saw my post on the subject. I lost people to this so maybe while you are trying to push a political agenda on a non political issue you can think about how Your denial and victim blaming come off. Seriously you aren’t proving the point you think you are.

    I am not here to fight and you obviously love having the last word so I will let you have it but "Many of the people who died probably could have protected themselves better but didn't," is the epitome of victim blaming
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    It's been made abundantly clear that Quarantine was intended to stop a surge of patients who would need ventilators to survive from flooding hospitals.

    On behalf of the medical community, I'm facepalming at the level of nonchalance about Covid 19. Really people, medical science is trying to help you right now.

    I don’t think people who are nonchalant about it will take it seriously until they catch it and feel like hell or till someone close to them dies.

    Even then, some people that have that “I’m invincible” n “I could care less about strangers health”

    I had to meet with a prospective client in person and when I pulled out my mask and bleach wipes they were looking all perplexed and possibly reason we won’t be doing business. Oh well. Mfs ain’t trying to sue me, I’m going protect myself from people who might not be as diligent about healthcare during this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamiliam View Post
    Hey Ricky. I have been real chill but I just wanted to remind you or tell you if you never saw my post on the subject. I lost people to this so maybe while you are trying to push a political agenda on a non political issue you can think about how Your denial and victim blaming come off. Seriously you aren’t proving the point you think you are.
    I am truly sorry for your loss, but you behaving "chill" on this board is expected regardless. It also doesn't justify the grabbing of labels (victim blaming, political agenda) to characterize an opposing position. I've made my positions, and the various inputs that led to them, crystal clear. We all have stakes in this, whether we lost someone or not. Mine include providing for 3 young children, furthering their education and enabling them to pursue a strong quality of life, which is why I feel so strongly about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamiliam View Post
    Hey Ricky. I have been real chill but I just wanted to remind you or tell you if you never saw my post on the subject. I lost people to this so maybe while you are trying to push a political agenda on a non political issue you can think about how Your denial and victim blaming come off. Seriously you aren’t proving the point you think you are.

    I am not here to fight and you obviously love having the last word so I will let you have it but "Many of the people who died probably could have protected themselves better but didn't," is the epitome of victim blaming
    I didn't realize that you had lost people to covid and I'm truly sorry to hear this. How are you and your family managing all of this?

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    Thank you for that. They both happened in the beginning before most stay at home orders. One was my very elderly grandma so the death itself was expected. It was hard to not be able to say goodbye though, she hadn’t left her house for months before they took her to the hospital. Her at home aid also contracted it but survived. She had a wonderful life.

    The other was a friend who was doing all he could to stay safe but others in his household didn’t take it seriously. That one has been harder to accept. He did have a pre existing condition which is why he was bunkered down. As more evidence comes out it may have nothing to do with him dying but we will need to learn more. Regardless many people have conditions that had them living healthy lives before this and it wasn’t his fault. That why it is a societal issue not a personal responsibility issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamiliam View Post
    Thank you for that. They both happened in the beginning before most stay at home orders. One was my very elderly grandma so the death itself was expected. It was hard to not be able to say goodbye though, she hadn’t left her house for months before they took her to the hospital. Her at home aid also contracted it but survived. She had a wonderful life.

    The other was a friend who was doing all he could to stay safe but others in his household didn’t take it seriously. That one has been harder to accept. He did have a pre existing condition which is why he was bunkered down. As more evidence comes out it may have nothing to do with him dying but we will need to learn more. Regardless many people have conditions that had them living healthy lives before this and it wasn’t his fault. That why it is a societal issue not a personal responsibility issue.
    I am so sorry. And you're right it's not their faults that they died. It's disturbing to see how inconsiderate some people are being during this time. However, I am seeing lots of kindness but mostly it's through real life interactions that unfortunately have to be limited. I haven't lost anyone close to me yet but it's still a major concern of mine. So far the deaths that I know of are old co-workers and neighbors. A few friends have lost relatives but I can't console them like I would have a year ago because of the risk. I have family members that I worry that I may not get to hug them again. It's really difficult sometimes and I hope that more people will start using more compassion when they interact with others.

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