All i have to do is say "YAY TRUMP," and they're never the wiser. These people aren't the sharpest tools in the shed.
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I'm sorry but WHO is the "Gestapo" in Portland ? I'm sorry but I don't think it is the Portland Police. It's not the Federal agents who are/were simply preventing Federal buildings and facilities from being attacked and burned. From their behavior the ones acting like "Brownshirts" are the Antifa and BLM people. Rioting , violence and property destruction are NOT peaceful protests.
And what exactly are they protesting in Portland of all places ? One of the most liberal, progressive cities in this country. Ridiculously so imho. Or Seattle ? Or NYC for that matter.
If you listen to what some of those folks are saying they are arguing for total anarchy. I'd like to ship a few hundred of them to a deserted island with some tools and a few months of supplies and let them see how much fun real anarchy can be. Either they'd kill each other (dog eat dog; survival of the fittest ) or they'd have to establish order and govern themselves according to laws and rules that would have to be enforced. They could even get a producer and make a reality TV show - "Anarchy Island" and then split the profits. I think the real fun will be to see who argues for what split. Will the Black participants argue that they are entitled to greater shares ? Given their public rhetoric ( on the rare occasions when they actually articulate anything intelligible ) they almost undoubtedly will. Will the people who worked harder ; built better shelter ; hunted and gathered more food etc. argue for greater shares. Heaven forbid ! That would be CAPITALISM ! Eeek ! Can't have any of that. Will they be entitled to protect the shelters they built ; decide who gets to come in or who must leave ; decide with whom to share the food they gathered while others sat on their ass and meditated on the beach ? OMG ! Private property ! Fruit of one's own labor ! Horrors !
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You need to do some research big city nw police departments and their relationship with the citizens. Most do not live anywhere close to the cities they work in and hold little of the same beliefs. I say this as someone born and raised in the nw.
That may be true BUT I am going by the tremendous restraint shown by the Portland P.D. ; the failure ( apparently deliberate ) to arrest and prosecute vandals ; the violent and other lawbreakers .
So what if they have "different beliefs" ? I am going by their policies and procedures as evidenced by their behavior during some very vicious and mindless RIOTING !
Unless you are saying that the Portland Police are deliberately holding back and letting Portland be trashed and burned because they don't care what happens to Portland ? Or they have a political motive hoping for a major backlash against anarchy and its liberal enablers ? Pretty shrewd. Even Machiavellian . Didn't know the Portland police were that clever.
Well to your last point, yes there are many in the union and many in the force who believe just that.
If you support state rights you support that state to determine their political process. The actual left has a voice in this region and they often clash with local liberal politicians. The left and the liberals are politically very different but the culture here is to have that right. The police in Portland/Seattle have been fighting with both the government and the protesters for YEARS
It was those Assholes that came INTO Portland and started fucking with the protesters. I'm not talking about anybody FROM Portland. Trump sent in dudes in unmarked cars, no Badge, no name tags, to arrest everybody. That's the Gestapo.
I didn't say anything about the Portland Police, perhaps i wasn't clear enough.
Oh, and said Assholes CAUSED the rioting. Exactly what Trump wanted.
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Facts are stubborn little things. Trump sent in Federal law enforcement agents to protect the Federal Courthouse and other Federal facilities as was both his right and his RESPONSIBILITY !
"Arrest everybody " ???? Are you serious ? Because they did no such thing. Peaceful protesters were left alone and SOME rioters were arrested and charged with Federal crimes. Trump acted because the Portland Police were unwilling and/or unable to keep order and protect Federal property.
Nobody got "disappeared" like in China or Venezuela . They were arrested and will get their day in court. What's wrong with that ?
What about all the protesters "fucking with " all the just plain folks who are trying to go to work and just live their lives ? Burning down their businesses ; destroying their jobs and livelihoods ? How does that help anybody ? How is it not incredibly counterproductive ? Do you support burning down the Federal Courthouse ? If not, how would YOU prevent it ?
Just ask the "protesters " nicely ? Or join in and burn down the place ?
Uh, YES THEY DID. The Arrested didn't STAY arrested but they WERE arrested.
And i would prevent it by just protecting the courthouse, nothing more. Not running around grabbing people.
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And why didn't they have Badges and name tags? Do we really know WHO these people were? Unmarked cars?
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When someone is trying to burn down a building the BEST way to protect it is to arrest the potential arsonist.
I know there were arrests. Never said there weren't . The issue is WHO got arrested for WHAT.
Sorry but anyone peacefully protesting was NOT arrested. Rioters were. Unless you think that rioting is peaceful protesting so long as your heart is pure and your cause is just ?
Peaceful Protesters were arrested. Did you not see the footage. One guy got shot in the head with a rubber bullet, he's STILL in the Hospital.
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And i'm still waiting to hear from you about the lack of Badges and name tags, and the unmarked cars. That's VERY unusual for the United States.
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Did they use black helicopters too. Some of the agents removed their name tags to protect themselves and their families from retaliation. I think they were WRONG to do that and I do NOT support it.
If the Portland Police and other Oregon law enforcement agencies had done their jobs in the first place then Trump would not have had to send in Federal agents. Wouldn't make sense to send them in AFTER the Federal Courthouse had been looted and burned , now would it ?





Kam, I actually agree 100% with this. We have strayed way too far away from community policing. Police are becoming too militarized, with tactical gear and even hiding their faces so that they can't be identified.
But with that said, the burning and looting simply cannot be tolerated. Worse though, all too often these geniuses are hurting the fellow minorities who own many of the businesses that they are destroying.
So what ? Who cares ? The arrested people got due process and were not disappeared. Forms got filled out with the names of the arresting agents and the agencies they work for so who cares about the lack of name tags and badges ? The only practical effect was to protect the agents , their homes and families. Or so they thought.
There is ZERO evidence Trump ordered the agents to conceal their identities in any way. I'm sure he sympathizes with why they did it but the agents did that themselves. I too sympathize with them but I still think they shouldn't have done it. BUT it's not like there were no records of who did what. There are. The Feds are great at creating voluminous records.
Let me see it. Please post a link to the footage showing peaceful protesters being arrested.
Btw, the mainstream media has been using a very broad definition of "peaceful". So long as you are not actually shooting anybody, that's peaceful. Throwing rocks and bricks ; arson ; looting ; trashing cars = all peaceful activities.
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It doesn't bother you at all that they had no name tags, badges, and were in unmarked cars? That's shit the Nazi's did.
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Actually the Nazis, after they came to power, were very open and obvious about arrests and the like. Part of the fear factor they liked to employ.
I already posted that I thought their attempts to conceal their identities were wrong.
The unmarked cars do not bother me. The rioters were arrested by Federal agents ; they were processed properly ; they were arraigned before Federal Magistrates; most were released on bail and there are voluminous records involving their arrest and prosecution.
I'm sorry but I think it is a very sloppy argument to equate Federal law enforcement with Nazis. About as valid as comparing Trump to Hitler.
There was ONE (1) arrest the Feds made that the media made a lot of hay out of. It was of a Navy veteran who was "protesting".
Afaic it is not clear whether or not he was in any way violent or destructive. Possibly it was a mistake or he may have been at the wrong place , at the wrong time with the WRONG group of people. If truly peaceful protesters hang out with the violent and destructive and make no effort to separate themselves from the nihilists or try to keep their demonstrations truly peaceful then afaic they have little cause for complaint if some of them get swept up and are arrested. You lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.
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