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    Default CamPatron.com models keep 91.7% of gross site revenue

    See and use it at: https://www.campatron.com/

    The number in the thread subject is calculated from our credit card page as the ratio of the amount of credits that goes into the customer account divided by the amount the customer pays, for what I believe will be the average purchase: 100/109.08= 91.67%. Higher purchase amounts are more efficient, such as 1000/1072.47= 93.24%. Lower amounts are less efficient, such as 40/44.85= 89.19%. Explanation: For CamPatron models, a credit always pays out as a US dollar ($1.00 US). The site lives only off of the up-front fees charged when customers fill their own accounts. So, for CamPatron, dividing the credits by the amount paid gives an expression of the efficiency.

    The challenge models have for all new entrants into the camsite market is: "What do you offer that we don't already get from the incumbents?" So, while trying to remain appropriately humble and yet do publicity at the same time, here is my response: CamPatron's contribution is to usher in a new era where models keep the vast majority of sites' gross (not net) revenue. For anyone unfamiliar, gross revenue just means all money paid by customers from their credit cards. 91.67% is very, very, high, and competitive with PayPal for credit card transactions. Net revenue is a different, smaller number, where it is easier to hit higher percentages, and it isn't what we're talking about here.

    The process of creating CamPatron has taught me a LOT of respect for established camsites, because of the technical, financial, and business approval difficulties ( https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-business-discussion/1330656-netbilling-merrick-difficulty.html ) they've each had to overcome in order to even launch, let alone succeed. I have to acknowledge that without the established camsites and the models, there would be no industry _at all_, and none of us would even be talking about it. Respect.

    The vision of CamPatron is that models will no longer have to choose between 1) risking using non-adult services like PayPal to keep most of the money OR 2) giving away a large part of the money to maintain camsite rankings. Instead, models will keep both the money and the rankings.

    The name CamPatron itself reflects a high commitment to responding strongly to the long term needs of the camming community--and models specifically--because I believe that's the best way to build a successful but fair business in the medium and long time horizons. For example, aside from the central issue of money addressed with CamPatron's launch, I'm also following with interest what is happening in California and other regions regarding classification of models as employees.

    In this opening stage, much like Skype, the only people on CamPatron.com will be whomever you personally invite. Therefore, at first CamPatron will only be useful as a way to keep more of the money from your regular visitors without risking losing access to services like PayPal. However, as CamPatron grows it will become a general purpose site for models and their customers.

    Respectfully yours,
    Chris


    P.S. Services such as Paxum charge me a small fee, around $1, to send money. I am forced to pass this fee on to models due to the low margin nature of my business model. Sorry.

    P.P.S. It's probably a stupid idea to talk about here, but as far as employee vs. contractor, why can't a transparently organized non-profit model union be set up (or just grow that one out in California)? Models could have retirement accounts, continuing education, healthcare, etc. Just like other fields of work.

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    Default Re: CamPatron.com models keep 91.7% of gross site revenue

    So essentially you'll be a payment processor, with the aim of growing into a bigger site as time goes on? I'm interested in how you'd be able to pay out so much. Sites like netbilling and the skype listing directories like cammodeldirectory still have to cover the credit card processor fees, then pay themselves hence why the lowest percent any of them can take right now is 15%.
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    Default Re: CamPatron.com models keep 91.7% of gross site revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by sexysusie View Post
    So essentially you'll be a payment processor, with the aim of growing into a bigger site as time goes on? I'm interested in how you'd be able to pay out so much. Sites like netbilling and the skype listing directories like cammodeldirectory still have to cover the credit card processor fees, then pay themselves hence why the lowest percent any of them can take right now is 15%.
    I wrote this on my phone because Comcast is installing business internet for me. Apologies in advance.

    15% is more in the realm of the merchant sub account vendors like CCBill would charge to low transaction volume sites (and they offer discounts as volume goes up). I couldn't find a publicly posted rate for (the adult high risk version of) NETbilling, but I found a competitor that posted public rates that are similar https://www.web-merchant.co.uk/costs_adultmerchantaccountplusgateway.asp . It is higher than that flat percentage on that page due to various (sometimes conditionally applied) per-transaction fixed fees, but that page should give you a general idea of what companies that compete in the full-fledged adult merchant account world charge (companies like Instabill, Host Merchant Services, and NETbilling) for adult processing.

    So, if someone is charging 15% in fees, they are making a lot of money for themselves, depending on how their cost structure works out. If they are paying a lot for bandwidth it might make sense (over and above just the bandwidth of the video clips they sell, for example one terrabyte [1000 GB] of downloads should cost less than $150 dollars). Edit: I read your post and saw you are talking about cam model directories and not clip sites. Apologies for the error. Given that their business points to models using Skype against Skype's terms of service, it may have been difficult to find a provider willing to give competitive rates. My bank examination was like those scenes in the movies where the person doing the strip search of the suspect puts on a rubber gloves, and then the screen goes black and all you hear is screaming.
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    Default Re: CamPatron.com models keep 91.7% of gross site revenue

    Seems like you've done some research unlike most who come here, but just to be clear, your merchant account has been approved by your bank to process adult transactions including full nudity, masturbation content, dildo use, etc? If so, it's impressive you were able to get approval in this economic climate - we get SO many coming here with a nonadult merchant account they are trying to slip past the bank, some of us register and bring our clients and then boom they lose their processor and disappear.

    I'm also curious what type of content you are approved for. Some sites are blocked from erotic hypnosis (but do a workaround for it by calling it mesmerize), various fetishes some will allow and some don't (ABDL, stepmom, etc).


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    Default Re: CamPatron.com models keep 91.7% of gross site revenue

    Quote Originally Posted by laurielegs View Post
    Seems like you've done some research unlike most who come here, but just to be clear, your merchant account has been approved by your bank to process adult transactions including full nudity, masturbation content, dildo use, etc? If so, it's impressive you were able to get approval in this economic climate - we get SO many coming here with a nonadult merchant account they are trying to slip past the bank, some of us register and bring our clients and then boom they lose their processor and disappear.

    I'm also curious what type of content you are approved for. Some sites are blocked from erotic hypnosis (but do a workaround for it by calling it mesmerize), various fetishes some will allow and some don't (ABDL, stepmom, etc).
    Hi laurielegs. Yes, you're correct. I've been approved to process REAL credit card transactions, by NETbilling, TSYS (as an ISO), and a bank (I will name the bank to you privately if you like, but not publicly because I don't want to make any waves since they saved me). I first contacted NETbilling and started my application in 2018 because I was thinking I would start with commercially available technology and then transition to my own. I developed the basic technology underlying my current website by early 2019, and then I built most of the site by early 2020. In April 2020, I restarted the NETbilling, ISO (independent sales organization), and bank approvals, and finally managed to get approved on Thursday when NETbilling changed banks to get the approval. (See the link in the middle of my top post... it is just a URL in one of the middle paragraphs. The original bank was Merrick, as stated in that thread.) Personally, I believe the approval was because of the cost savings of the technology. It is highly attractive to models. NETbilling knows this.

    I think you are referring to BRAM attestations in the second part of your question. The exact list of BRAM attestations I've had to agree to is copied into the site Terms of Service (CTRL+F, BRAM). The BRAM attestations come directly from Visa and Mastercard and apply to their entire payments network. I'd prefer keep my ability to process real transactions, so please avoid the banned activities.

    One person alone can't build a cam site. It takes models willing to bring good (Skype?) customers with them (out of their own self interest to get the high payout percentage AND simultaneously to keep high gallery ranking, and to have peace of mind about not getting kicked off of Skype or PayPal).

    I am also open to working out side deals if you can think of a way to bring in new customers and models.

    See, for example, the kind of promotion done here, although I would emphasize the upsides of CamPatron rather than publicly emphasize downsides of the existing solutions
    https://medium.com/spankchain/spotlight-w-allie-eve-knox-how-cryptocurrencies-empowered-me-as-a-performer-and-how-spankchain-2cf06757b629

    This is the main thing I am looking for... (Pseudonymous) Models / influencers telling other people about the site and also promoting themselves. It's a win all around, and I'm open to your ideas. If we can grow this thing into something useful, it will be good news for everyone.

    Most Respectfully,
    Chris
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    Default Re: CamPatron.com models keep 91.7% of gross site revenue

    will this be a streaming site, directory site, or possibly both? what kind of advertising will you be doing for the site? or we only get the customers we bring?




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    Quote Originally Posted by ggminx View Post
    will this be a streaming site, directory site, or possibly both? what kind of advertising will you be doing for the site? or we only get the customers we bring?
    Hi ggminx,
    It is a streaming site.
    (I assume a directory site is the kind that points to models doing Skype shows or similar.)

    What I'd like to do is those kind of advertisements that show up on the right hand side of the videos on xvideos.com (Traffic Factory network), but instead of the way people normally do it, I'd like to have it be model thumbnails from models that are online. That way, if someone clicks the ad, that EXACT model will be available in the gallery, leading to higher conversion rates.

    I would like to work with a model who is interested in this scheme in order to perfect it and drive traffic to their room on my site.

    Also, if there is anyone, such as the founder of DivaTraffic (lol) or someone else involved in the ads world (at any level), I could really use some advice/help. I have been focused for a very long time on tech and bank approvals, and now that I broke through those walls I need to learn ads immediately. Please help. It is for a good cause. Models everywhere will thank you when we're done.

    Lastly, if y'all know any customer-type whales, investors, or model influencers, now would be a great time for them to get in on the ground floor, since all that is missing now is a big advertising and earned media push for models and customers. I would be willing to cut advantageous deals.
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    Question: Why did you decide to go the live cam site route verse being a payment processor (like IB) or directory site that shows who is currently available? Is it due to terms set by your bank?
    From what I've gathered after many years of being in the industry, it seem as though having one of the latter two would be much more simple from even just a technical standpoint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caramelcraze View Post
    Question: Why did you decide to go the live cam site route verse being a payment processor (like IB) or directory site that shows who is currently available? Is it due to terms set by your bank?
    From what I've gathered after many years of being in the industry, it seem as though having one of the latter two would be much more simple from even just a technical standpoint.
    Hi caramelcraze,
    Sorry I didn't check back until now.

    Is this IB? https://www.internationalbancard.com/

    Well, I am pretty sure that if it were not a camsite and just functioned as a payment processor, then the business would be classified as a "Money Transmitter" rather than a merchant. I think a money transmitter has all kinds of Know Your Customer rules to follow, similar to what PayPal forces people to do when they sign up (and similar to what a bank, or even Coinbase, would do). So then I would have to ask the customers for that kind of documentation, which would be a pain... and I have no idea what the approval process for the business itself would look like... It would probably require accounting certifications I don't have, like a certified professional accountant on staff.

    Besides, the site was born out of some technical intuition about cost savings in realtime video transmission technology... Thus, it was practically begging for a live industry where there are not a lot of corporate sponsors to pay for the video (live adult webcams fits that requirement perfectly).

    BTW, an update on advertising: I tried with a model friend of mine, but the approvals process on Traffic Junky is tripping us up. We set the ad for a particular time, but all the approvals failed because they checked the ad landing page before my friend was online (when there was no broadcast). We were thinking about changing the chat loading page to put up a picture of the model and say whether or not the model was currently broadcasting. Instead/for now, we entered into an agreement with a very small cam studio that will staff the site with just a few models and then I'll advertise for those models (they're a studio in Latin America so that is the category of ads I'll run).

    Every step of the process of launching this site (from idea, to coding, to approvals, and now ads) has been excruciatingly difficult... :-(

    :-)
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    I think by IB she meant IndieBill

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    Do you have 20-50k stored away for emergencies?
    attorneys
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    we dont want another ashley sinclair

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erika_Xstacy View Post
    Do you have 20-50k stored away for emergencies?
    attorneys
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    I'll just assume from the first post that it is a money transmitter service that went belly up. For purposes of any bank or credit card people reading this, my site/business is not a money transmitter and I have no intention whatsoever of allowing it to become a generalized payments platform. It is a live adult camsite and all payments processed through it are for that purpose alone.

    However, I do have more than $50k in my business checking account. I am just worried that is not enough for the advertising... But I won't know without experimenting with advertising, which is what I am starting on as mentioned in a post above.

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    I am interested.

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