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    Eagle - First of all I am very glad that you are not taking any of this personally. Seriously.

    Trump has argued against illegal immigration and against taking in the "tired, poor , wretched refuse etc. ". He would prefer to only admit talented or skilled people from whatever country. Trump does say dumb things. You won't get an argument from me. And he did say we should admit more people from Norway and that DOES echo Nazi ideology; they liked Nordic types. That is a big part part of Trump's problem. He tweets first and then puts his brain into second gear. Again, no argument.

    A lot of people read Mein Kampf including Churchill , Jam Smuts , Harry Hopkins and DeGaulle. Didn't make them Nazis. I think it would be helpful if we judged all of our politicians by the same standard. There are those who say that Trump's rallies remind them of Hitler and Nazi rallies. Obama had large rallies of people who chanted along with and back to him too. So what ? Doesn't make Obama a commie just because he admired Castro.

    I admit it seems a bit childish ( "you said it first ; No, you did " ) but the first mention of Thurmond in this thread was by you - please see YOUR post # 237.

    I am sorry but Obama had record deportations and unescorted children were detained. That is historical fact. And you admitted it in YOUR post #238.

    Even adjusted for inflation, revenue went way up after the JFK-Johnson tax cuts ; after Reagan's ; after Clinton's ( and Clinton had surpluses ); after Bush The Dim's and Trump's. We have both posted the numbers. They are what they are. We had deficits thanks to Vietnam AND The Great Society; the Nixon-Ford Recessions ; The Carter Recession and irresponsible spending under every President since.

    I could take a page from the Eagle Playbook and accuse YOU of dishonesty but I have certainly been critical of Trump and expressed my dislike of the man and his style.

    Trump didn't make up his mind on mask usage because Fauci et.al. ( admittedly ) gave contradictory advice concerning same.

    Cain had major health problems to begin with. We don't know if he died FROM Covid or WITH Covid or whether Covid was A cause of death.

    Do you have facts and figures on increased "hate crimes " under Trump ? From reputable sources like the DOJ and FBI as opposed to the Southern Poverty Law Center ?

    Why don't you explain how Joe Biden went from being the Senator with the LOWEST net worth ( at one time $30,000 ) to a net worth of at least $9 million including two mansions ? How do you explain Hunter's e-mails (which Hunter does not deny and which are authentic ) that include references to turning over half the proceeds of various deals to Joe and setting aside shares of stock for his father ? What was Burisma paying for if not access to Joe ? Why else would they hire him ? Why did the Chinese pay Hunter $10 million directly and invest another $1.5 billion in his hedge fund ? That is the classic Chinese M.O. They pay of the family of the official rather than bribe them directly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Eagle - First of all I am very glad that you are not taking any of this personally. Seriously.

    Trump has argued against illegal immigration and against taking in the "tired, poor , wretched refuse etc. ". He would prefer to only admit talented or skilled people from whatever country. Trump does say dumb things. You won't get an argument from me. And he did say we should admit more people from Norway and that DOES echo Nazi ideology; they liked Nordic types. That is a big part part of Trump's problem. He tweets first and then puts his brain into second gear. Again, no argument.
    No, he would prefer to admit only white people. He doesn't tweet first and think later. Those are his actual views.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    A lot of people read Mein Kampf including Churchill , Jam Smuts , Harry Hopkins and DeGaulle. Didn't make them Nazis. I think it would be helpful if we judged all of our politicians by the same standard. There are those who say that Trump's rallies remind them of Hitler and Nazi rallies. Obama had large rallies of people who chanted along with and back to him too. So what ? Doesn't make Obama a commie just because he admired Castro.
    It would make sense to read a book by a nation's leader, in which there was a good chance you would be going to war against, or were currently at war with. I doubt there are any other current leaders of western democracies, with Mein Kampf or hitler's speeches at their bedside. I'm sure Trump does not agree with hitler's attempt to wipe out the Jewish people, but I would not be surprised if he admired the way hitler was able to gain complete control over Germany. Trump frequently expresses admiration for brutal dictators, like Kim Jong-Un, who isn't much better than hitler. I don't think Trump is a nazi, but he is definitely a fascist, and is willing to do anything he possibly can to stay in power, legally or illegally. Obama did not admire Castro. Obama didn't rant and rave about locking people up at his rallies. He didn't incite hate towards certain people because of their race or ethnicity. He never called people of a certain ethnicity drug dealers and rapists.

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    I am sorry but Obama had record deportations and unescorted children were detained. That is historical fact. And you admitted it in YOUR post #238.
    I said Trump forcibly separated children from their parents. Unescorted children weren't with parents. Obama followed the law and did not hold children in detention for more than 72 hrs. Trump had children being held in detention centers in horrific conditions for weeks or months at a time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Even adjusted for inflation, revenue went way up after the JFK-Johnson tax cuts ; after Reagan's ; after Clinton's ( and Clinton had surpluses ); after Bush The Dim's and Trump's. We have both posted the numbers. They are what they are. We had deficits thanks to Vietnam AND The Great Society; the Nixon-Ford Recessions ; The Carter Recession and irresponsible spending under every President since.
    Here's a page showing govt budget deficits by year:
    https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

    Deficits increased significantly after Reagan's, Bush's, and Trump's tax cuts. Deficits decreased after taxes were raised in 1993 and 2013.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    I could take a page from the Eagle Playbook and accuse YOU of dishonesty but I have certainly been critical of Trump and expressed my dislike of the man and his style.
    All you criticize is his style. You refuse to criticize the horrible and stupid things he's done. You not only refuse to criticize it, you deny it or try to make excuses for him. You deny his sexual assaults, even though there is a recording of him bragging about it. You deny he seriously asked about injecting disinfectant to cure covid, even though it's right there on video. Everyone else here can clearly understand what he said. You're the only one who disputes this. You deny his overt racism. Again, if Trump's not a racist and his policies were so great for black people, why is he trailing Biden 90% - 5% in polling, among African-Americans?

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    Trump didn't make up his mind on mask usage because Fauci et.al. ( admittedly ) gave contradictory advice concerning same.
    Fauci and the CDC have been advocating everyone wear masks when in close proximity to others since April. Trump has been publicly advocating we ignore the virus and go about our daily lives, regardless of how many people become sick or die. He continues to hold rallies with no social distancing or masks requirements, even after he caught it himself, along with dozens of others at one of his events, and even after Herman Cain died from attending one of his rallies.

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    Cain had major health problems to begin with. We don't know if he died FROM Covid or WITH Covid or whether Covid was A cause of death.
    Here's a photo of Herman Cain at the Tulsa rally:



    Does this look like a sick man about to die? We know for certain he caught covid and became very sick. Perhaps there were other factors that contributed to his death, but it's very doubtful he would have died if he did not catch covid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Do you have facts and figures on increased "hate crimes " under Trump ? From reputable sources like the DOJ and FBI as opposed to the Southern Poverty Law Center ?
    Hate-Crime Violence Hits 16-Year High, F.B.I. Reports:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/u...bi-report.html

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Why don't you explain how Joe Biden went from being the Senator with the LOWEST net worth ( at one time $30,000 ) to a net worth of at least $9 million including two mansions ? How do you explain Hunter's e-mails (which Hunter does not deny and which are authentic ) that include references to turning over half the proceeds of various deals to Joe and setting aside shares of stock for his father ? What was Burisma paying for if not access to Joe ? Why else would they hire him ? Why did the Chinese pay Hunter $10 million directly and invest another $1.5 billion in his hedge fund ? That is the classic Chinese M.O. They pay of the family of the official rather than bribe them directly.
    After leaving office, Joe Biden signed an $8 million publishing deal. He also gets paid $100,000 for speaking events.

    Hunter Biden graduated from Yale Law School. $50,000 a month isn't unusual for graduates of Ivy league law schools. Corporations doing business in the US need good lawyers, especially foreign businesses who have a past record of unethical or illegal conduct. I'm sure it helped that he was the son of the VP, but there are no laws preventing him from taking that position. There is no evidence that Joe Biden broke any laws, only right-wing conspiracy theories.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    No, he would prefer to admit only white people. He doesn't tweet first and think later. Those are his actual views.



    It would make sense to read a book by a nation's leader, in which there was a good chance you would be going to war against, or were currently at war with. I doubt there are any other current leaders of western democracies, with Mein Kampf or hitler's speeches at their bedside. I'm sure Trump does not agree with hitler's attempt to wipe out the Jewish people, but I would not be surprised if he admired the way hitler was able to gain complete control over Germany. Trump frequently expresses admiration for brutal dictators, like Kim Jong-Un, who isn't much better than hitler. I don't think Trump is a nazi, but he is definitely a fascist, and is willing to do anything he possibly can to stay in power, legally or illegally. Obama did not admire Castro. Obama didn't rant and rave about locking people up at his rallies. He didn't incite hate towards certain people because of their race or ethnicity. He never called people of a certain ethnicity drug dealers and rapists.


    I said Trump forcibly separated children from their parents. Unescorted children weren't with parents. Obama followed the law and did not hold children in detention for more than 72 hrs. Trump had children being held in detention centers in horrific conditions for weeks or months at a time.


    Here's a page showing govt budget deficits by year:
    https://www.thebalance.com/us-deficit-by-year-3306306

    Deficits increased significantly after Reagan's, Bush's, and Trump's tax cuts. Deficits decreased after taxes were raised in 1993 and 2013.


    All you criticize is his style. You refuse to criticize the horrible and stupid things he's done. You not only refuse to criticize it, you deny it or try to make excuses for him. You deny his sexual assaults, even though there is a recording of him bragging about it. You deny he seriously asked about injecting disinfectant to cure covid, even though it's right there on video. Everyone else here can clearly understand what he said. You're the only one who disputes this. You deny his overt racism. Again, if Trump's not a racist and his policies were so great for black people, why is he trailing Biden 90% - 5% in polling, among African-Americans?


    Fauci and the CDC have been advocating everyone wear masks when in close proximity to others since April. Trump has been publicly advocating we ignore the virus and go about our daily lives, regardless of how many people become sick or die. He continues to hold rallies with no social distancing or masks requirements, even after he caught it himself, along with dozens of others at one of his events, and even after Herman Cain died from attending one of his rallies.


    Here's a photo of Herman Cain at the Tulsa rally:



    Does this look like a sick man about to die? We know for certain he caught covid and became very sick. Perhaps there were other factors that contributed to his death, but it's very doubtful he would have died if he did not catch covid.



    Hate-Crime Violence Hits 16-Year High, F.B.I. Reports:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/11/12/u...bi-report.html



    After leaving office, Joe Biden signed an $8 million publishing deal. He also gets paid $100,000 for speaking events.

    Hunter Biden graduated from Yale Law School. $50,000 a month isn't unusual for graduates of Ivy league law schools. Corporations doing business in the US need good lawyers, especially foreign businesses who have a past record of unethical or illegal conduct. I'm sure it helped that he was the son of the VP, but there are no laws preventing him from taking that position. There is no evidence that Joe Biden broke any laws, only right-wing conspiracy theories.
    To do legal or lobbying work, Hunter's fee are not out of line. Two problems : 1. There is no evidence he did ANY legal work for Burisma or any of the Chinese or Rumanian companies who paid him and 2. He never registered as a lobbyist as required by law.

    There is a treasure trove of e-mails from Hunter's lap top that was legally obtained. Biden has not denied the existence of the lap top; or the authenticity of the e-mails ; the payments and equity set-asides for Hunter etc. Schiff and Clapper made a lame effort to claim it is Russian disinformation with ZERO supporting evidence. Some of the e-mails indicate that Hunter turned over half his payments to his father as did other members of Biden's family. There was a 10% equity set aside for "the big guy" which is probably Joe.

    One thing we can agree on, I think, is that there is not sufficient evidence to show that any laws were broken. Yet. We will see.


    You can tell Herman Cain's health status just by looking at a photo ? Amazing ! Have you notified the CDC and offered your services. Think of all the time and money now spent on testing that we could save just by having you look at people's photos lol.

    I asked you for a reputable , non-biased source. The N.Y. Times has zero journalistic integrity.

    As for the balance of your post, you have your opinions and I have mine. You hate Trump , you think he is a racist and a fascist , all of his policies are failures etc. etc. We get it. You beat a dead horse more than Sean Hannity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    You can tell Herman Cain's health status just by looking at a photo ? Amazing ! Have you notified the CDC and offered your services. Think of all the time and money now spent on testing that we could save just by having you look at people's photos lol.
    It's obvious what happened. You just don't want to acknowledge it, just like you don't want to acknowledge Trump suggested injecting disinfectant to cure covid.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    I asked you for a reputable , non-biased source. The N.Y. Times has zero journalistic integrity.
    The figures are from the FBI, not the NY Times. The NY Times just reported it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    As for the balance of your post, you have your opinions and I have mine. You hate Trump , you think he is a racist and a fascist , all of his policies are failures etc. etc. We get it. You beat a dead horse more than Sean Hannity.
    It's not a matter of opinion. He either is or he isn't. He's made enough racist statements and taken enough racist actions to know he is one. There are certain characteristics that fascists have, and almost all, or all of them apply to Trump.

    https://ratical.org/ratville/CAH/fasci14chars.html

    My views towards Trump are not personal. The main issues I have with him is he is intentionally harming others and he is trying to destroy our democracy. His former Chief of Staff, General Kelly, called Trump, the most flawed person he's ever known.

    https://thehill.com/homenews/news/52...ver-met-report

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