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    Default INDIEBILL - it's closing down!!

    DAMN! Another payment processor gone! Looks like they created or teamed up with XCAMS.


    Received this email...

    Hello there,

    We’ve decided to retire IndieBill in order to focus our efforts in other projects in the adult entertainment business.

    If you were actively using IndieBill for selling your content/shows you can do so up until 25th October 2020 (included). Your last commissions will be paid out on 30th October 2020. After the 25th October, your clients will not be able to pay for the products you sell.

    If Webcam Shows (live cams, skype, discord or via other streaming platforms) are your main expertise, you can register on the leading European Webcam platform offering the highest payouts in the live cam industry. A platform with millions of visitors each month, a trusted company existing in the industry for almost 20 years. Register an account with XCAMS Models and benefit from the special deal (earn up to 80%) of “REDACTED LINK”.

    Copy and paste this link to register REDACTED LINK

    The special deal of double payouts for the first month is only valid for new registrations and the registration must be completed before the end of November.

    Do you have questions about your account? Read the FAQ below or contact us and we will be happy to help you.

    Thanks for using IndieBill.

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    What will happen to my content (photos/videos/files)?

    If you have photos or videos or files in Indiebill these will be deleted by 30th November. We will not provide backup of your content.

    What will happen to my application if it hasn’t been approved yet (pending status)?

    Your application will not be followed up. All pending applications will be rejected.

    What will happen to my balance?

    Your balance will be paid out on the 30th october via your preferred payout method.

    Important for ACH payouts users: If you are a US citizen or resident alien, you must login to your IndieBill account and upload a W9 or a W8

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    Gutted. Just gutted. I'm going to have to put up my rates after just raising them and use IWC tips. Sigh.

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    Bummer

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    I just got this email too. I'm sad about it. I'm curious about what other options people will use to charge for indy cam shows, discord & skype shows.

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    Am I correct in thinking indiebill merged with CMD? If this is the case I guess I'll just redirect my guys and work out whether to take the hit on % or raise my indie rates up.

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    I wonder why they recommended Xcams? 45% payout? Yeah I remember why I never signed up for *that* one.

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    Also xcams is fixed rates for the models, with lower rate if the guy is from NL. I guess IB are suggesting it as they will make decent money as an affiliate from the ladies who do sign up.

    I'm not saying it's a good or a bad idea as it's none of my business what other models decide is a decent hourly wage but from my experience, at 60% pvt time I was making around 20€ in an hour, including using the interactive vibe and sometimes having multiple guys in a show.

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    offt it really looks like skype sites are just dying a death doesnt it?

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    This is bothering me - WHY Xcams? There's a million sites.

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    The guy who owns Xcams also owns CMD and Indiebill. He wants to keep everyone in his pockets.

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    Now I've thought about it, a referral link always means that someone is trying to get a bit of cash for signing models up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    The guy who owns Xcams also owns CMD and Indiebill. He wants to keep everyone in his pockets.
    Sounds like then if he is closing Indiebill down and pushing out Xcams to those using Indiebill, that eventually he is going to shut CMD down to and push all of us over to Xcams as well and just have Xcams as his one and only with the dropped % to make even more money.

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    Xcams is shit.

    Options now for payment are iwantclips tribute and free Onlyfans tips, both 20%, otherwise other content sites. Gutted honestly.
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    Ladies I'd REALLY appreciate a tutorial on using crypto if anyone is familiar? I've watched/read stuff for things like coinbase before and it just didn't make any sense, the actual amount you come out with seemed too hard to calculate and all the things you have to do to get it. I think with yet another indie pay method going down, figuring out crypto would be of benefit to us all?!
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    Damn, this sucks! I was using Indiebill for my indy camming. Regular camming doesn't really work for me right now due to the school and childcare closures and having kids home 24/7. Indiebill made it easier in that a custie could schedule a show in advance, I could make arrangements for someone to take the kids to the park or somewhere for a half hour to an hour while I cammed, and then be done with it. I'm disappointed.

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    AVNStars is also a good platform. Been using it for 2 months and they are serious with everything. I mean, it's owned by AVN and it's all adult friendly, they do cover chargebacks and they usually try to not put it on the model. I am usually careful and letting them know when i have an all of sudden generous member and they are super helpful with it and let me know if he's a scam or not. First time i got a scammer, they did let me keep the money, but they also let me know he was a fraud. They have created it as an alternative to OnlyFans. They also allow you to post all of your camming links in there, you have a special section for it. Wich is quite cool. Basically, i use that more than twitter, because it has twitter interface ))
    Everything is 80% (clips, tips, subscriptions, anything).
    * Me, everytime a member has 100 requests in freechat, like he's at a 5 Stars All Inclusive Holiday Resort *

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    Quote Originally Posted by PhatGirlDynomite!!! View Post
    The guy who owns Xcams also owns CMD and Indiebill. He wants to keep everyone in his pockets.
    I'm confused -- if he owns CMD too why not tell models to go there? Isn't CMD a high-payout indie processor like IB? Can you use CMD for tips and Skype payments without doing the whole ad-placement/listing thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sexysusie View Post
    Options now for payment are iwantclips tribute and free Onlyfans tips, both 20%, otherwise other content sites. Gutted honestly.
    Do you know if IWC (or AVNStars for that matter) has any type of spending limits for customers? My understanding was that OnlyFans set a tip limit to $100, but I don't know if that means once a day or that the person can go back and tip $100 multiple times. I assumed it was the former, which sucks if that's the case.

    I use LCMS (85% payout) for regulars who spend anywhere from $300-1000+ for long skype sessions. But I am starting to get a bit wary of continuing my services there, for a few reasons discussed on the LCMS thread, and I'm starting to research other avenues. At this point I'm not sure what the next best indie option is for my circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonamiss View Post
    I'm confused -- if he owns CMD too why not tell models to go there? Isn't CMD a high-payout indie processor like IB? Can you use CMD for tips and Skype payments without doing the whole ad-placement/listing thing?
    Im assuming that he may want more models signing up for xcams because that's where the real money is for him. I'm not sure how CMD works in regards to tributes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonamiss View Post
    Do you know if IWC (or AVNStars for that matter) has any type of spending limits for customers? My understanding was that OnlyFans set a tip limit to $100, but I don't know if that means once a day or that the person can go back and tip $100 multiple times. I assumed it was the former, which sucks if that's the case.

    I use LCMS (85% payout) for regulars who spend anywhere from $300-1000+ for long skype sessions. But I am starting to get a bit wary of continuing my services there, for a few reasons discussed on the LCMS thread, and I'm starting to research other avenues. At this point I'm not sure what the next best indie option is for my circumstances.
    people can drop multiple $100 tips on OF - just be aware they dont cover chargebacks tho

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    Quote Originally Posted by anonamiss View Post
    Do you know if IWC (or AVNStars for that matter) has any type of spending limits for customers? My understanding was that OnlyFans set a tip limit to $100, but I don't know if that means once a day or that the person can go back and tip $100 multiple times. I assumed it was the former, which sucks if that's the case.

    I use LCMS (85% payout) for regulars who spend anywhere from $300-1000+ for long skype sessions. But I am starting to get a bit wary of continuing my services there, for a few reasons discussed on the LCMS thread, and I'm starting to research other avenues. At this point I'm not sure what the next best indie option is for my circumstances.
    On AVNStars and IWC, they can tribute unlimited. Also, AVNStars is covering the chargebacks (since it's made by AVN itself, they do have plenty of money to afford that). Anyway, when you have a high spender, better ask them to check on him, so you have your ass covered in case he's a fraud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutie101 View Post
    AVNStars is also a good platform. Been using it for 2 months and they are serious with everything. I mean, it's owned by AVN and it's all adult friendly, they do cover chargebacks and they usually try to not put it on the model. I am usually careful and letting them know when i have an all of sudden generous member and they are super helpful with it and let me know if he's a scam or not. First time i got a scammer, they did let me keep the money, but they also let me know he was a fraud. They have created it as an alternative to OnlyFans. They also allow you to post all of your camming links in there, you have a special section for it. Wich is quite cool. Basically, i use that more than twitter, because it has twitter interface ))
    Everything is 80% (clips, tips, subscriptions, anything).
    Do they have built in traffic? i mean traffic of their own? or do we have to get our boys to join the site?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MsJess View Post
    Do they have built in traffic? i mean traffic of their own? or do we have to get our boys to join the site?
    Hmmm, well, they start to have traffic, brought by other creators. Also, they do have weekly contests, every single weekend, where you can submit a photo and people can see you. But don't expect wonders. IT's worth a try tho, especially because now they introduced a new feature called "stashed posts". You simply post stuff and let them release automatically at a certain time interval that you choose (from 1 to 24 hours), so you don't have to actually schedule them yourself, by date& hour. That way, you don't have to bother to post all the times, just stash a bunch of posts and let them release themselves )
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cutie101 View Post
    AVNStars is also a good platform. Been using it for 2 months and they are serious with everything. I mean, it's owned by AVN and it's all adult friendly, they do cover chargebacks and they usually try to not put it on the model. I am usually careful and letting them know when i have an all of sudden generous member and they are super helpful with it and let me know if he's a scam or not. First time i got a scammer, they did let me keep the money, but they also let me know he was a fraud. They have created it as an alternative to OnlyFans. They also allow you to post all of your camming links in there, you have a special section for it. Wich is quite cool. Basically, i use that more than twitter, because it has twitter interface ))
    Everything is 80% (clips, tips, subscriptions, anything).
    With AVN do the guys need to make an account to tip?

    I just heard of a site alternative to indie bill (via a blog post on webcam startup) called Erotifix. Payout is 85%
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    Ladies I'd REALLY appreciate a tutorial on using crypto if anyone is familiar? I've watched/read stuff for things like coinbase before and it just didn't make any sense, the actual amount you come out with seemed too hard to calculate and all the things you have to do to get it. I think with yet another indie pay method going down, figuring out crypto would be of benefit to us all?!
    I’ve never accepted crypto as payment for anything but I do trade it. I’ve seen on here where some girls do accept it as payment. However, do be cautious in doing so. You have more recourse with a payment processor if someone tries to rip you off. Also, depending on the coin you accept, you can lose money at any given time. Crypto is volatile in nature and if the majority of your income is from these shows and you need it now, I wouldn’t go that route. It’s a good long term strategy but short term not so much. Although it is easy enough to convert crypto to USD, there are also fees associated with doing so. Depending on the platform, it can be a fixed rate or a percentage. Many platforms charge a percentage on transactions over a certain amount. Don’t get me wrong, I love crypto, but as an investment. If you can let it sit awhile I say go for it. But, unlike the stock markets, crypto doesn’t close and fluctuated constantly. Sometimes by small amounts, but sometimes big amounts. For example, Bitcoin has been hovering around that 10-11k mark for awhile now but earlier this year it was at the 3k threshold. When it hit the 20k mark a few years ago, it had dropped to $0.06 at one point in a few months leading up to that. It’s expected to rise again, possibly hitting 50k at some point. Coinbase allows you to buy, sell, trade as well as receive and send from your wallet. But, once again, it comes down to the amount of risk you are willing to take. I currently invest and have watched several dips and increases in both alt coin and Bit Coin. Sorry this is so long winded, I didn’t just want to say it’s a bad idea for a short term solution without explaining why. If you can let the money sit awhile, go for it. If it’s your primary source of income then no. It’s also worth mentioning that although these funds aren’t taxed at 30-35%, it is reported to the IRS and you will pay around 20% investment income taxes in addition to the fees so it does affect your filing.

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