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    Arrow New 007 confirmed: No Time to Die!



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    Default Re: New 007 confirmed: No Time to Die!

    Wait for it, we're gonna have a whole bunch of dudes freaking out over this.

    What are they gonna name her? Can't be James (My name), Jamie? What's the feminine of James?
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    It'll be interesting to see..


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    In all fairness, the Bechdel test sometimes does get used as a excuse for making a shit movie, discarding character development and backstory, etc. I hope that doesn’t turn out to be the case here. I hope they take an approach more similar to The Heat or Mad Max: Fury Road than an approach like Ghostbusters or Ocean’s 12.
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    The Bechdel test is a pretty low bar. There should be more than just two Women having a Conversation. I do a LOT more than that.
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    It shouldn't be looked at as a definitive bar. It's not a question of, "Does it do this? If so, proceed, and if not, then it's all out failure". It's a matter of, "this is the first stepping stone, and if it can't be crossed, then it might be looked at as an indication of what to expect in other aspects of the movie". Start point, not end point. The problem with using it as an end point.... well, I shouldn't need to explain that.
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    Yeah but The Shawshank Redemption doesn't have practically ANY Women in it. There's ONE girl with any significant role, and it's a short one. His Wife. Yet it gets a pass because of where it's set, you're not going to have a whole lot of Women in a men's prison in 1949. So I would say that that one just doesn't qualify for the Bechdel test. I just think The Bechdel test is a pretty fucking low bar. I usually have entire storylines that focus on my female characters.
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    Again, it’s not an end point (or at least shouldn’t be seen that way), and I believe the intent was centered more on movies with female lead characters (which of course the Shawshank Redemption isn’t one). Yes, it’s a low bar… if it’s used as one. Which it shouldn’t be.
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    Ok, fair enough. I just think there should be a better test than two Women talking to each other about something other than a Man. That's all I'm saying. My characters sometimes talk about Men, sometimes not. I try to be as true to life as possible. And sometimes Women DO talk about their Boyfriends or Husbands (or occasionally bitch about them). But I always make it NOT be the center of their life. If you have a Wife or Girlfriend, you are not the center of her life. She's with you because she loves you and wants to be with you. But she has her own life. And I try to represent that in my work.
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    Has there been a movie about her?

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    A while ago, I didn't really know how to write Women. I guess I couldn't Quiver enough. So I read a bunch of Jane Austin, Romance novels written BY Women (Which was AGONIZING), Female Science Fiction and Fantasy writers (Which was NOT Agonizing, a lot of them were really good). I practiced, and practiced, and practiced, and eventually I figured it out. I was a young writer, then, but now I get praised for it. They say I write Women very well. But it was a long road. I used to write Women as the second class character, now I write her as a lead on her own. I think I was like 21, then. The Women here would have been bored senseless.
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    Default Re: New 007 confirmed: No Time to Die!

    Who will be the new James Bond?

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    I watched bDie Another Day, yesterday, w/Pierce Brosnan


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    Quote Originally Posted by MeganLee5 View Post
    Who will be the new James Bond?
    Lashana Lynch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Raziel View Post
    Ok, fair enough. I just think there should be a better test than two Women talking to each other about something other than a Man. That's all I'm saying. My characters sometimes talk about Men, sometimes not. I try to be as true to life as possible. And sometimes Women DO talk about their Boyfriends or Husbands (or occasionally bitch about them). But I always make it NOT be the center of their life. If you have a Wife or Girlfriend, you are not the center of her life. She's with you because she loves you and wants to be with you. But she has her own life. And I try to represent that in my work.
    And I agree. But it’s made out to be more than what it should be (which is just a basic precursor) and becomes the center point of a movie’s production, and it goes to shit. Approach it without being overzealous, and you can make a good movie. The Heat… really enjoyed that movie. Use that as a substitute for the things which make great movies - including, but not limited to character development and backstory - and you get a Mary Sue character that’s just empty and hollow. Rey could’ve been a great character, if they had taken a better approach.
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    Well, I don't make Movies, Child, but I get what you're saying. It takes me a while, but I have a lot more time than they do. I pump out a thousand page book, and there's WAY more in that than there is in a Movie.

    in fact, I had an idea once about a thriller about an abused Woman getting her ass kicked by her Husband and her getting revenge on him. It was supposed to be for a short story, but I never wrote it. I just didn't want to go down that dark of a road. Shit like that takes a lot out of you. I don't know HOW the Mystery Writers do it over and over. instead, I wrote a story about a Female Astronaut that finds life on Europa (One of the moons of Jupiter). Much better.
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