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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Here are two of Trump's tweets from Jan. 6, the day he was banned:

    I know your pain, I know you’re hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us, it was a landslide election, and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now.

    These are the things and events that happen when a sacred landslide election victory is so unceremoniously & viciously stripped away from great patriots who have been badly & unfairly treated for so long. Go home with love & in peace. Remember this day forever!
    Afaik Trump was banned for inciting violence. Where in your quoted statements is there anything other than saying : "Go home ". The rest is just political rhetoric. Unless you are saying that Americans are so ignorant and so stupid that they are unable to separate political wheat from chaff .That they need Twitter and other censors to protect them from Trump and other sources of political bullshit .

    If THAT is the standard Twitter wants to apply i.e. that claims of a stolen election get you banned then there is a LONG list of Twitter account holders who ought to get banned too. On both the right and the left. And please forget the airy dismissal of such an argument by lame claims of "whataboutism". First of all , whataboutism is perfectly valid. When it shows unequal application of a supposed standard ; double standards and of course, hypocrisy.

    If Twitter had just banned Trump ; or just censored tweets claiming the Election was "stolen" I wouldn't like it but it would be a lot more acceptable than what they are actually doing. Trump is not the only one who has been banned or suspended. And it was for other things than just claims of Election Fraud.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    It depends what you mean by "Election Fraud ". Are you saying that merely questioning the result of the 2020 Election is sufficient to support banning someone from Twitter ?
    I don't care what any private company does (don't bother with that public forum fallacy) with its members because terms of service always contains a clause that user accounts can be terminated for basically any reason.

    Anyway, if after one day someone does not see the election results were not fraudulent, then they certainly won't see that after three months. I don't have any sympathy for anyone banned from any private platform for repeatedly posting debunked statements as facts. I also do not hold any grudge towards the private companies for banning users that habitually post debunked statements as facts. There are sufficient platforms to cater to them anyway: Telegram, Gab, 8kun, etc.

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    I don't think I have patronized you. Would you please show me a little courtesy and stop doing it to me ?
    I have not patronized you. I took your argument, cleaned up some of the formatting, and replaced one instance of a historical event with another. This was in the hopes that you would understand these two events are analogs and people should either accept both or reject both, but not pick and choose one to accept and one to reject. However your response has made it clear that you are willing to rationalize this. Thanks for that.

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    Just because we don't see eye to eye does not make me "obtuse" or demonstrate that I need any help from you in understanding the issues we are discussing
    It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me. And not that popular demand means anything, but I recall at least one other user described you as that in their own experience. Yet you didn't voice your objection with them.

    But anyway:

    1. Claiming that one statement that includes the word "peacefully" somehow cancels out hours of incensing people in a speech and months of declaring repeatedly debunked claims is obtuse.
    2. Telling us Trump is responsible for vaccines due to Operation Warp Speed is obtuse. Especially given Pfizer filed for emergency use authorization, the approval was given by the FDA, and that the process takes months and not your cited "five years or more."
    3. Repeating that privately owned and operated companies are public due to their popularity and/or widespread usage is obtuse, especially when there are well-known alternatives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    If THAT is the standard Twitter wants to apply i.e. that claims of a stolen election get you banned then there is a LONG list of Twitter account holders who ought to get banned too. On both the right and the left. And please forget the airy dismissal of such an argument by lame claims of "whataboutism". First of all , whataboutism is perfectly valid. When it shows unequal application of a supposed standard ; double standards and of course, hypocrisy.
    Disclaimer: I know you didn't quote me and may not be directing that to me.

    First of all, it is a whataboutism, you are essentially asking "What about them?" You think that people can only be indifferent or supporting of this "controlling speech" if they disagree with the speaker on the sole basis of political ideology, but this is not the case.

    Second of all, I addressed this, but you conveniently forget the several instances you've tried to argue this. Here are some reminders:

    Quote Originally Posted by dpacrkk View Post
    OK, then terminate those accounts as well. "But they're doing it too" is not a good defense whatsoever.
    Quote Originally Posted by dpacrkk View Post
    No. I have never stated this. Give people some limited number of opportunities to retract their claims when it's been proven to be factually incorrect, but if they don't comply get rid of any and all habitual liars. We had nearly five years of repeated lying since the 2016 primary; maybe the division wouldn't be as bad if people didn't fall for obvious garbage or Googled for 10 seconds instead of being happy to confirm their biases and get outraged (this applies to both major parties).
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    Nonetheless, why do you think this would only apply one way? Get rid of it all.
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    When have I ever posted anything hinting this? The truth is not concerned with whom agrees nor disagrees. The truth doesn't have sides. It's completely objective. There is misinformation spread by members of both major parties, and my response has consistently been "treat both equally." Claims that Putin has compromising information about Trump (believed by a faction of the left) should be treated the same as claims of election fraud (believed by a faction of the right).

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    We obviously see things differently and will have to agree to disagree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    Afaik Trump was banned for inciting violence. Where in your quoted statements is there anything other than saying : "Go home ". The rest is just political rhetoric. Unless you are saying that Americans are so ignorant and so stupid that they are unable to separate political wheat from chaff .That they need Twitter and other censors to protect them from Trump and other sources of political bullshit .

    If THAT is the standard Twitter wants to apply i.e. that claims of a stolen election get you banned then there is a LONG list of Twitter account holders who ought to get banned too. On both the right and the left. And please forget the airy dismissal of such an argument by lame claims of "whataboutism". First of all , whataboutism is perfectly valid. When it shows unequal application of a supposed standard ; double standards and of course, hypocrisy.

    If Twitter had just banned Trump ; or just censored tweets claiming the Election was "stolen" I wouldn't like it but it would be a lot more acceptable than what they are actually doing. Trump is not the only one who has been banned or suspended. And it was for other things than just claims of Election Fraud.
    It wasn't just two tweets. I was just giving examples. For more than two months, Trump was repeatedly tweeting lies about the election, which led to the violence on Jan. 6, along with his dishonest, hateful rhetoric. Like it or not, Twitter gets to decide how their platform is used. How often does Rush Limbaugh allow liberal points of view to be aired on his show?

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    I can't believe all these whiny little bitches* crying about how mean Facebook is.

    I got a 30 day ban for calling a guy beating his dog (in a photo) 'White Trash', so they aren't just 'persecuting' conservatives screaming about how Trump's victory was 'stolen' by 7 million fucking votes.

    Or that idiot actress comparing being a Trump fan to being rounded up and exterminated in Nazi Germany. Right, sure thing..

    *NOT meaning anyone here personally, rather some of my ultraconservative friends on FB, and that pathetic whining bloated orange con man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    *NOT meaning anyone here personally, rather some of my ultraconservative friends on FB, and that pathetic whining bloated orange con man.
    The problem therein lies with the fact that people are mostly anonymous online, and that most folks don't know how to find them (Hint: You can).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djoser View Post
    I got a 30 day ban for calling a guy beating his dog (in a photo) 'White Trash',
    30 days ban seems like a long time. Did they remove the photo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAdriana View Post
    30 days ban seems like a long time. Did they remove the photo?
    It just seems like Facebook is handing out 30 day bans left and right. It's lame now, and AFAIK the only place free speech is allowed (within reason) is the private discussion groups on there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    It just seems like Facebook is handing out 30 day bans left and right.
    Yes I wonder why they decided 30 days. That's a long time to have someone banned in internet time. Can't people be posting stuff to your wall in the meantime whatever they want while you're gone and you can't see it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAdriana View Post
    Yes I wonder why they decided 30 days. That's a long time to have someone banned in internet time. Can't people be posting stuff to your wall in the meantime whatever they want while you're gone and you can't see it?
    Facebook is just lame, period.

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    You can't even say anything on FB anymore...certain words have to be edited out with asterisks. Lmao. I've been in Facebook Jail so many times (MOST of the time it was for some b.s. like that...where they flagged certain words and accused me of harassment/bullying/hate speech...seriously?!).

    I got three days once just because I said "Dudes are fuckin' pigs." Lmfao. I was commenting on a woman's post, who was upset over some guy.

    Now that last time I got sent to FB Jail (This woman had told me to shut up, and my response to her was pretty hilarious...it was worth the seven day FB Jail sentence...), it was so weird not being able to use FB for seven days, I actually started using my Instagram account more. And I really don't care much for Instagram.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    Facebook is just lame, period.
    FB is the main way we keep contact.

    All in all FB is a waste of time. I keep contact with friends and family through it, but it's mainly a bunch of Trolls. Every now and then there's something good on it, but that's few and far between.
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    Speaking of which, I just got sent to FB Jail tonight for 7 days...for typing the word "bishhh (spelled exactly like that)." Smh. Guess I'll be over on Instagram then...
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    Now that last time I got sent to FB Jail it was so weird not being able to use FB for seven days
    Can you still log in or you can't see anything at all? I don't use the site at all and I don't agree with that. If somebody wants to all me a slut or a whore or a BISHHH I believe in their right to do that, and I also have the right to block or ignore them when they do. All this auto ban stuff is silly surely they will kill their own site in time?

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    Can you still log in or you can't see anything at all? I don't use the site at all and I don't agree with that. If somebody wants to all me a slut or a whore or a BISHHH I believe in their right to do that, and I also have the right to block or ignore them when they do. All this auto ban stuff is silly surely they will kill their own site in time?
    Not as long as all the teens use it. Shit, they let everybody post whatever they want. I'm part of a group called "Atheist Vs. Theist" and you wouldn't believe the shit they post at each other (AND an Agnostic like me), I've had to walk away from that group several times. NOBODY gets banned, and they are fucking MEAN.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAdriana View Post
    Can you still log in or you can't see anything at all? I don't use the site at all and I don't agree with that. If somebody wants to all me a slut or a whore or a BISHHH I believe in their right to do that, and I also have the right to block or ignore them when they do. All this auto ban stuff is silly surely they will kill their own site in time?
    I can still read posts. I just can't 'like' or comment on anything. Driving me crazy because I have a post I made in a FB group the other day, and it's getting tons of replies that I can't even 'like' or respond to.

    Facebook is a trip. Give me a 7-day ban for dumb shit, but all these racist assholes can keep on posting whatever the fuck they want.
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    What do they really hope to accomplish by banning BISHHH but not racial slurs? Personally, I would rather people have the ability to out themselves as an asshole so I know who my real friends are. Like tell me how you really feel no matter how mean but give me the truth not the watered down version because you got banned. Maybe I'm missing something.

    If you use a banned word your comment gets deleted doesnt it ? But with FB system it seems like you use a banned word and then you lose your ability to continue the conversation, which means you have no room to apologize or make amends after the fact. Do they have a consistently updated list of banned words?

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    First they wanted to ban Huck Finn because it had the N-word. Even though Twain made the escaped slave Jim the only truly admirable adult in the whole story. Then they went after J.K. Rowling. NOT for her books but because she expressed doubts and concerns about young girls undergoing therapies and procedures to change their sex. Last week it was "The Muppet Show" and before that Dr. Seuss. Now it is Mr. Potato Head , Dumbo and Gone With The Wind .
    It amazes me that folks that grew up in a country that didn't ban books or take away jobs based on political beliefs are now leading the way to limit free speech and conduct witch hunts. Historically that never ends well. In the early 80's there were some Moral Majority folks who tried to ban books they didn't like. They were slapped down and some of their most vigorous opponents were other conservatives. Remember Tipper Gore and her Parents Music Resource Center ? Remember how silly she looked compared to Frank Zappa , Dee Snider and other artists who told her to go fuck herself ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    You're using impoverished 3rd world countries as the standard as to how the US should treat children? Zero children in detention died during the 8 years Obama was in office. If a loved one in your family had her children forcibly removed from her, without even telling her where they were taken or how long it would be before she could see them, you would feel very differently.

    Trump was far worse than Cuomo , Murphy and Fauci. Cuomo and Murphy waited too long to take the appropriate measures, but after they saw how bad it was, they took strong action. Throughout the pandemic, Trump opposed any and every measure taken to try to prevent the virus from spreading, and even held one event after another, without taking any of the recommended safety precautions.

    Where did you go to law school? How many years have you studied constitutional law? Charles J. Cooper, a conservative constitutional attorney, says it IS constitutional to impeach a president after he leaves office.

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    It's not just what Trump said at the rally. It's what he's been saying for the previous three or four months. Even before the election, he was insisting that if he lost, it's because the election was rigged. At the presidential debate, he told the Proud Boys to "stand down and stand by". Then after the election, he was repeatedly stating the same lie, that the election was stolen. When the rioting was happening, he refused to make a statement calling for them to stop, for hours, and he told the terrorists, they were special and he loves them. According to the people who were with him at the time, Trump was delighted to see what was going on, and couldn't understand why others weren't.

    You keep saying you don't like Trump, but you minimize everything he does and consistently oppose doing anything about him.
    I find it strange that nobody, not one person has commented on Biden's sterling record of border enforcement. How many unaccompanied minors just since Biden took office ? What's being done with them ? Being held longer than Trump did in more overcrowded facilities with less room to sleep and less to eat.
    Covid positive illegal border crossers put on buses and sent into the U.S.
    Eagle : You and a few others landed on Trump the hardest for his Covid shortcomings and supported lockdowns and the like the most. How do you defend this ?
    The people who live in Central America have a well developed grapevine that tells them when to cross the border ; where to cross ; what will happen if they are caught etc.
    Then we have the increased sex trafficking ; the coerced drug carrying ; and at least 4 people on a Terrorist Watch List. Those were just the ones who were caught. How many terrorists got in ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    I find it strange that nobody, not one person has commented on Biden's sterling record of border enforcement. How many unaccompanied minors just since Biden took office ? What's being done with them ? Being held longer than Trump did in more overcrowded facilities with less room to sleep and less to eat.
    Covid positive illegal border crossers put on buses and sent into the U.S.
    Eagle : You and a few others landed on Trump the hardest for his Covid shortcomings and supported lockdowns and the like the most. How do you defend this ?
    The people who live in Central America have a well developed grapevine that tells them when to cross the border ; where to cross ; what will happen if they are caught etc.
    The we have the increased sex trafficking ; the coerced drug carrying ; and at least 4 people on a Terrorist Watch List. Those were just the ones who were caught. How many terrorists got in ?
    I don't like the conditions but he's been in office for only two months and inherited a broken system along with a pandemic. I read that the Biden Admin. is working on converting existing facilities into processing centers, where families will be held for less than 72 hours. He is also trying to address the cause of the immigration problem by increasing assistance to countries in Central America. I'm not sure if I mentioned this here before, but IMO, the best solution for illegal immigration is to address the problems in their home countries that are causing people to try to illegally immigrate to the US.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    I don't like the conditions but he's been in office for only two months and inherited a broken system along with a pandemic. I read that the Biden Admin. is working on converting existing facilities into processing centers, where families will be held for less than 72 hours. He is also trying to address the cause of the immigration problem by increasing assistance to countries in Central America. I'm not sure if I mentioned this here before, but IMO, the best solution for illegal immigration is to address the problems in their home countries that are causing people to try to illegally immigrate to the US.
    Like him or not ; like the policies or not , the fact remains that Trump's policies were working . They discouraged people from coming. He made asylum seekers wait in Mexico. He built the wall. Yes, he separated families and the conditions were not the best. What do we have now ?
    Depending on who you talk to , we have something like 13,000 unaccompanied minors. Some as young as 5 ! The detention conditions are no better now than under Trump. Arguably worse. Biden encouraged this . We have illegals streaming in at the rate of 200,000 a month. If caught , they get bus fare , a box lunch and up to $1400 .

    That said, the President of El Salvador agrees with you. He wants to encourage people to stay there. To work there. To help build up the economy there.
    The Covid lockdowns are the prime reason those economies went into the toilet.

    I'm curious about something. Not trying to be cute. I understand why people aren't coming from Costa Rica. It's non-violent and stable compared to its neighbors. But why aren't people coming from Nicaragua ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MissAdriana View Post
    If you use a banned word your comment gets deleted doesnt it ? But with FB system it seems like you use a banned word and then you lose your ability to continue the conversation, which means you have no room to apologize or make amends after the fact. Do they have a consistently updated list of banned words?

    Yup, your comment gets deleted. So if you had a great comeback for someone who was talking shit, they'll never get to see it. Lol. My comment never went through, because FB flagged it and decided that bishhh is "harassment and bullying." Now yes, I wasn't saying it in the nice "Hey, girl! You know I love you, bishhh!" sort of way. But still...FB is doing too much. Nowhere near as bad as posts I see on there from other people, and the spambots and scammers telling gullible people "Do you want a Law and Order SVU t-shirt? Then click this link!" Lmao.

    Even the girl I'd been going back and forth thought it was ridiculous that I got a 7-day suspension. I talked to her on FB Messenger. She was like "Wait, what?! But you didn't really say anything bad though!" She kept asking me if there's anything she can do, and she's like "I'm gonna create a new FB account for you so you can still post, okay?" Um...what? Lol. I told her no, it's fine...I'll just fool around on Instagram instead. I'm not gonna die if I have to go 7 days without Facebook. Haha.

    And whatever you do...never post "Dudes are fuckin' pigs." FB doesn't like that. I got a 3-day suspension once for that.
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    Sometimes dudes ARE fuckin' pigs. Not everyone, but it's not unusual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    I'm curious about something. Not trying to be cute. I understand why people aren't coming from Costa Rica. It's non-violent and stable compared to its neighbors. But why aren't people coming from Nicaragua ?
    Probably because the crime rate is much lower. In Nicaragua, the homicide rate is 11 per 100,000. In the Honduras, it's 43 and in El Salvador it's 51.

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