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    Default When do you think lap dances will come back??

    My vote is after summer

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    I'm curious if there will be a huge boom / prolonged comeback, or if many guys will have transitioned to online entertainment. I think the former is most likely... there is no replacing real, human contact and visuals. I know that a lot of dancers have temporarily transitioned to camming and similar, but IME camming cannot come close to a dancing income for the vast majority of workers.. when i cammed briefly, i was appalled by the site's cut, plus taxes. Dancing pays off bigtime for many of us. There are downsides in every line of work, of course, that aren't worth it for everybody.

    But anyway, i know that wasn't what you were originally asking, haha!

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    Can't wait for my boobs be fondle by strangers!

    Really, it all depends on the corrupt politicians in Congress.

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    I mean it depends on the city and club. NYC is reopening for indoor dining feb 14 so the big clubs with kitchens can open. Some clubs are not allowing dances on the floor, only VIP rooms.

    I've been doing private parties and CHarlie is correct. I appreciate stripping so much more now. I mean I did ok with camming, it pays my bills, didn't need to dip into savings but I also wasn't saving ANYTHING (but I have high rent - NYC and all) and I was working 12 hours sometimes a day. I can make that in a couple hours at the club.

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    I think it really just depends on the state. Wv is open like business as usual..Baltimore MD has been open the whole time. I'm assuming as usual. So it just depends on the state and laws.

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    Since the 80s lapdances have been industry standard $20. If we calculate 1985 inflation to today, that same lapdance really should be $49 dollars. That's 144% devaluation of the same exact dollar. Nothing like the federal reserve printing dollars into oblivion, but I digress.
    I sure as hell hope lapdances never come back. If they do, they should be at least 50 bucks. At most clubs I've seen, theres only $150 dollars for 15 minute vip options. 600 for an hour respectively. I think many clubs may forgo typical lapdances in favor of higher prices.

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    ^I hear you. It's a complicated issue! I think undercutting would become a major problem if standard dances were priced at $50 without cheaper options or tiers. Most guys would go to different clubs that choose to charge $20, assuming we're comparing two similar clubs with similar dancer options, etc. But that's a more complicated issue, and i don't want to threadjack!

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    You think regular Joes will drop $150 on a 10-minute session. With each passing year since 2010, it's becoming increasingly difficult to sell a single $25 lap dance as I see less and less Boomers coming to the club and more and more Millennials and "lower-quality" customers coming in.

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    ^^^ Another thing to think about is the looming threat of inflation, due to lockdowns and a huge increase in government spending to "stimulate" the economy... but the more basic necessities cost as a result, the less discretionary income that customers will have to spend at the club, if they go at all anymore. Which begs the question on if going to the club is even profitable during these times, if lap dances are "not allowed?" Do customers really spend a ton of money on stage dances in this new COVID era? I'm sure it depends on the club, but I've only actively worked at one club, and the majority of the money was made from lap dances. Maybe I should get better at stage dancing if that's going to be the new normal .

    Cutiecam made a great point about lapdance costs staying stagnant, while the cost of goods and services in any other industry has increased/kept up with inflation. I'd love for there to be an increase in lap dances, because it looks like we're getting the short end of the stick lol but I can see how it can be harder to implement, because $20-$25 is industry standard... at the same time tho, it used to be industry standard to spend 25 cents for a jar of milk, or whatever .
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    Quote Originally Posted by 305gurl View Post
    You think regular Joes will drop $150 on a 10-minute session. With each passing year since 2010, it's becoming increasingly difficult to sell a single $25 lap dance as I see less and less Boomers coming to the club and more and more Millennials and "lower-quality" customers coming in.
    Completely agree.

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    I'm loving the 10/15 minute VIP room minimums & no lap dances option. Yes //some// customers are spending less, but they make up for it by tipping on stage or tipping for some conversation on the floor because they have no choice if they want interaction. Who cares if they complain? Those are the cheap regulars who sit around for hours before buying any dances who do not deserve to sit there & take up a space anyways. If regular Joe complains, well then he can save from his next paycheck & come in half as often. I have no interest in catering to cheapies, I have bills to pay too & our labor should not be devalued just because a cheap customer came to a strip club with $50 to spend & that's it.

    oh I've also noticed girls that were not big on stage (me lol) making decent amounts on stage now. I also find it much easier to upsell other VIP rooms now. My bad nights are still better than my bad nights when we did $20 lap dances. Since reopening I have had one $250 night and the rest were not under $300 even on the few nights I didn't sell rooms. If they ever bring lap dances back, they need to at least raise the price to $40 ($50 or more would be preferable but I'm talking the minimum). Imo, this is how it should be. Getting personal attention (lap dances) should be a VIP luxury. Erotic labor is difficult work & worth way more than $20 (plus, as someone else mentioned, inflation is a factor). If you don't have the money for that, you can watch & enjoy live nudity from a distance. Seems plenty fair to me honestly. I personally hope this is the new model of strip clubs & stays this way for many years to come. I am almost thankful for CoVid for forcing clubs to charge more & changing the model. People were saying strip clubs were done for, but honestly? If this is how things are going to stay, I'm predicting a big boom for us!
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    I agree. If a guy wants to come to a strip club, he should have to spend more than $20 on a lap dance or $2 on a stage set. A lot of clubs where I am at have done away with stage so you have no choice but to buy a room. That’s how it should be. Or if they want to do single lap dances, $40-50 a pop. That’s it. And they can’t touch. If they wanna touch they buy a private room. The end. I’ve been doing well with this model. Just need more hours open and more customers to maximize it.

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    I once saw a survey/poll about Millennial men being ask how much will they spend at a strip club. The result were over 80% saying "at least $100."

    And that's including parking, cover fee, couple of drinks minus the dancers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 305gurl View Post
    I once saw a survey/poll about Millennial men being ask how much will they spend at a strip club. The result were over 80% saying "at least $100."

    And that's including parking, cover fee, couple of drinks minus the dancers.
    Yeah, i have to agree that this was my experience. Regional differences in strip clubs are a thing, so I'm not invalidating what arielbriel and others have said. But unfortunately, the value we place on the product we offer doesn't always line up with the value that others place on that product. This is a really complicated topic that even gets into personal hustle preferences (would you rather expend more energy hustling, sell fewer dances / blocks of time, and make more money for your time, or would you prefer to expend less energy hustling, sell more dances / blocks of time, and make less money for those dances?). Undercutting would also be an issue - you'd have hot women willing to sell for less than the going price, and customers would quickly wise up to which dancers are a better deal.

    I think tiers are the only way to go, as arielbriel mentioned, and I've had success with that. Offer $20 dances that are enforced no touching, and $40+ dances that have some touching (i worked at a club that allowed back / leg touching only, and guys would commonly go for the upsell). Plus rooms / blocks of time. But this would require clubs to actually enforce the rules. The club i worked in had a special area for $40 dances so that clubs could keep track of which kind you were selling. Otherwise, you'd have women selling the $40 dance experience for $20. Just seems like it'd be so hard to keep track in larger clubs.

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    Note that i completely agree with the sentiment that we deserve more than $20/dance and that customers SHOULD be willing to pay more than that. But my post is more about the reality of what most customers in most areas are actually willing to pay, and the challenges that may come with trying to charge more.

    In normal times, it can be like pulling teeth to even sell a $20 dance in many areas. I'm not talking about what you can charge as a superhot hustler in a bumpin' New York / Vegas club on a Saturday night pre-covid, I'm talking about the reality of most clubs for average dancers who are trying to make a living from dancing (weeknights, dayshifts, etc.) in the majority of clubs in America.

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    Sorry for the threadjack!

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlie61 View Post
    Note that i completely agree with the sentiment that we deserve more than $20/dance and that customers SHOULD be willing to pay more than that. But my post is more about the reality of what most customers in most areas are actually willing to pay, and the challenges that may come with trying to charge more.

    In normal times, it can be like pulling teeth to even sell a $20 dance in many areas. I'm not talking about what you can charge as a superhot hustler in a bumpin' New York / Vegas club on a Saturday night pre-covid, I'm talking about the reality of most clubs for average dancers who are trying to make a living from dancing (weeknights, dayshifts, etc.) in the majority of clubs in America.
    So this is what I've personally found in my area (btw I'm not in a big city like NYC or Vegas, I work in a small city in New England that is more of a suburb and our only tourism is in summer)

    The customers who come in who cannot afford/pay for the VIP room (even the 15 minute option) are still throwing money on stage. They also tip for a few minutes of conversation on the floor. I've noticed since $20 dances have been gone, the ones who used to just pay for those are tipping more, where they wouldn't before, because they have no choice if they want to enjoy their time. Girls who used to make nothing on stage (including me - I'm not really a stage girl and idk many tricks, before CoVid I was lucky if stages paid my house fee for the night) are now getting at least $20 per set on a slow/moderate night or day shift. Even on nights I don't do any VIPs, I can still leave with $150-300 after tipout from just stage money. Sure they are not buying $20 dances (because they aren't available) or $150 rooms, but they are spending their $50-100 on stage, which for me is way less effort than a $20 lap dance. That is WAY more efficient to me, since I have to go on stage anyways, and it gives me more time to (up)sell VIP rooms.

    Again this is just my area and every other small city/suburb club may be different, so take what I'm saying with a grain of salt if this isn't what you've experienced, but this is what I meant when I wrote I'm seeing a shift. If a customer with a lower budget comes in, he can get drinks, tip for floor + stage interaction, and still have a good time. The customers who can afford to go to VIP do that and still have a good time. This new "model" appeals to both types of customers & maximum efficiency for the dancers. It kind of reminds me of Onlyfans. You pay $3-10 for standard photos and pay more for a better experience (quality PPV, sexting, customs, etc instead of just shoddy phone pics or 5 second clips on the feed), and both budget custies & high rollers are happy. This can be applied to cam rooms as well, or many other industries.

    Honestly, I would be happy with a tiered system too. But damn I hate explaining the different tiers to customers I worked at a tier club and repeating "$20 for no touching, $40 for topless, $50 for nude" over & over again is THE most unsexy thing ever for me loll. But I saw a tiktok where a dancer actually changed her phone lock screen to all the dance tiers & prices to just show to customers. She would say "I'm a visual person, I'm guessing you are too **wink** So I made a chart with the prices." Hmmm not a bad idea to keep in mind

    I would also take anything men say about strip clubs with a grain of salt; the oldest millennials are over 40 now (which is my prime customer base for me) and many men do not like to admit they spend so much on clubs (they don't want to be called a simp or being seen as "needing to" pay for female attention in front of other men. Just look on tuscl, if a guy posts they enjoyed a VIP room with no sex he is accused of being a shill for the club LOL. Hetereosexual men care an awful lot about sexually impressing other men). Pay attention to what they're doing, not what they're saying in front of their bros/online to other bros or bragging about.

    Also while I'm on my rant, my apologies for the threadjack as well! And for the late reply.

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    ^Great info, thank you!

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    My home club - which is in a tourist area - took out lap dances and will never bring them back. Theres more money on stages and vips as a result. More expensive vips-2k+ Are harder to sell but its overall more money so i’m in favor of no more lapdances. Granted lapdances also were never $20 here. They ranged from $40-$100 after tips

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    Default Re: When do you think lap dances will come back??

    My club is doing them but I still tell customers it's vip only, and when he sees the open regular lap dance area I just say that's "open vip". They look confused. Lol.

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    Just one city to provide an example so far but they were back.

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    Never ending haha. The visual chart !
    I just try for the most expensive dance option usually ( or a " set of three " ) and then if they resist that is when I offer just one.

    I'm almost sad to leave the club where I was because it was very much a " make your rules " type of thing. Like .... if you only wanted to get topless on stage you could. If you wanted to *only* be nude in VIP ( but never on stage or single dances) you could. That is how it should be !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Vyanka View Post
    My club is doing them but I still tell customers it's vip only, and when he sees the open regular lap dance area I just say that's "open vip". They look confused. Lol.
    Loll I mean.... it's *technically* the truth?

    My club shut down the lap dance room, they are turning it into more VIP rooms (that's how well this new model has been doing for us). However, we are allowed to do floor/table dances. But I tell them that's not allowed and it's VIP only. If they bring up another girl who did floor dances I say "oh really? I don't think we're even allowed to do that" and act confused At least the current floor dance going rate seems to be $30 or more with no cut to the club, compared to $25 & $5 to the club pre CoVid.....

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