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    So I am going to write this under the expectation that I will receive judgement but I wouldn’t mind the advice either way.

    I am living overseas right now. I got involved in the music scene locally and a lot of the bad things that come with it.. my friend is a promoter.. Since November I have been with over 15 girls here. Clubs here make anything going on at Detroit extras clubs look PG 13 at best. I got a reputation for spending money and most of the girls would be sent back to my apartment.

    So fast forward to January and I randomly take back a very pretty 20 year old girl to my apartment I gradually start favoring her over any of the other girls. This was because she is very naturally beautiful but also I found out she’s very talented at what I do for a living and going to school for it. She also is going to school for a second degree and works with kids at a daycare.

    Issue is I am a client. I get discounts but sex work is work for her.

    Ironically I joked she was the perfect girl to call over because I respected her so much but could never catch feelings because we have deep philosophical differences on our mutual goal in life. Low and behold less than a week later and the best sex of my life coupled with the fact that she’s more educated than I am on my interests made me feel something. Generally I’m the most educated person in the room on art and this young girl who’s a better artist with a better education who’s looking right through me judging every opinion was a major turn on. She’s VERY good.

    I flat out told her how I felt and that the sex was a lot less interesting to me than holding her hand and earning the right to explore more sincere things like kissing (she sets boundaries with clients)

    We went to dinner on Valentines Day and have had dinner at my apartment twice without sex or money after that. We havnt had sex but one time and we just talk. Honestly the one time we had sex after this it was the best in my life. It was also depressing after though I just wanted to cuddle with her and she was cold with non verbal body language.

    So I texted her that night after I called her an Uber Black home and I told her that was the best sex of my life and it depressed me because all I wanted to do was kiss her and hold her hand at the end of the night.

    I told her the next move was hers.

    She doesn’t text back for a day and I text her “So does me catching feelings mean I’m ghosted? I get it”

    She texts back “I’m sorry I have a bad habit of not texting back but reading messages. All my friends complain about this. I can come over later and we can talk”

    So she comes over and I got takeout from a steakhouse and bought her chocolate and fresh squeezed orange juice and smoked fish as well from a nice grocery store.

    I was super awkward I felt like a teenager it’s different now that emotional stakes are involved and I wasted an hour with small talk and talking work stuff. Eventually I told her how I feel in person and told her I really value spending time with her and that I was cutting off all of these other girls and that I won’t judge her work. I told her I would be supportive. I told her I respect the boundaries and that I felt it was important to take this slow and let her make the decision calls when we are together outside of work and we laughed about how awkward it was with how we met and agreed that we mutually enjoy spending time together. I mentioned that may need to go back to the US to prepare for a full time move and she gave me a dirty look.

    At the end of the night she was looking at me part of me thinks she expected me to make a move but when she left she just hugged me before I called her a cab home.

    I texted her the next night and said “I hope you have a safe night at work I don’t know what else to say if you need anything let me know”

    It’s funny because her manager texted me that night trying to get me to go to the club and we both laughed about our little secret at like 2AM

    We have been making plans for tonight and she seems excited

    Tonight we are getting tickets to the ballet front row and having a nice dinner. Under normal circumstances I feel like me not making a move to kiss and just nurture her with body language would be a cowardly weak move. However I have gotten mixed body language from her. At one point in the night I felt like she’ was expecting me to be a man about it. At another point she hugs me goodbye.. maybe it’s my place to make a move I don’t know.. this is crazy I’m deep throating this girl (only oral sex I have enjoyed in my entire life with another person besides giving it) but I’m afraid to kiss and hold her..

    Any advice on what to do would be appreciated. I just want a healthy relationship with her moving forward despite the dysfunction of both our life paths.

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    What continent, at least?

    Also, you've "been with" 15 girls that she knows about and you have a reputation for "spending money and most of the girls yada yada yada" which she also knows. Without knowing the culture of your location, you can see from most of the dancers here that:

    1. The club is not a brothel, and most of them really don't like when it is treated as such. It sounds like you may have participated in survival sex, and you don't seem very aware of it.
    2. You don't tell us your age but you tell us hers, 20. Are you in your 20s? If not, you are probably a client, and only a client.
    3. When you have "been with" multiple colleagues on a transactional basis, many dancers, even if they choose to be sex workers, will group you with clients and never remove you from that group.

    On the possibility that this is a real post and you really want opinions, I think you had a good time, and you caught feelings for the "young treasure" archetype dancer. If you like her, you stop pushing her for sex via text, which is what every other client and patron does, and actually talk to her. Then, sadly for you, you'll probably find out that she views you as nothing more than a client.
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    What continent, at least?

    Also, you've "been with" 15 girls that she knows about and you have a reputation for "spending money and most of the girls yada yada yada" which she also knows. Without knowing the culture of your location, you can see from most of the dancers here that:

    1. The club is not a brothel, and most of them really don't like when it is treated as such. It sounds like you may have participated in survival sex, and you don't seem very aware of it.
    2. You don't tell us your age but you tell us hers, 20. Are you in your 20s? If not, you are probably a client, and only a client.
    3. When you have "been with" multiple colleagues on a transactional basis, many dancers, even if they choose to be sex workers, will group you with clients and never remove you from that group.

    On the possibility that this is a real post and you really want opinions, I think you had a good time, and you caught feelings for the "young treasure" archetype dancer. If you like her, you stop pushing her for sex via text, which is what every other client and patron does, and actually talk to her. Then, sadly for you, you'll probably find out that she views you as nothing more than a client.
    Every single thing you say is VERY likely to be the case.

    I’m in Europe somewhere..

    Im 33..

    I know better.. in a lot of ways what happened got out of control fast with all of the girls.. I get everything you can imagine from a party perspective. I barely remember a six week period. I know this scene my dads dysfunctional room mate of many years is a retired escort. A romantic partner i grew up with started seeing me in my early twenties and was an escort I used to live in Dearborn for six months (I travel and move around a lot) and I know a lot of these tattoos aren’t for decoration.. I partied with girls here and there.. I have my own past and I knew better.. I messed up.. I was at a very miserable point in my life. My art and other obligations made it very hard to settle down and I could barely function I was so lonely and depressed. Even civilian dating in this culture is very insincere and it just got way out of hand.. your term “survival sex” is spot on except I suspect after being a very good customer and knowing the scene that a lot of girls won’t survive with the high HIV rate here and the fact that they may not have options.. No one likes to talk about their tattoos around here.. So yeah if anyone wants to call me a piece of dirt over this they are only going to see that I agree with them.

    One thing I can say is I didn’t anticipate how this would mentally affect me. I thought it was very cute to learn the transactional end of the game from TUSCL and ISF five years ago.. I had family and friends involved in this scene and it felt more normal if that makes sense.. none of this is an excuse but what I can say is karma is a bitch.. I’m hooking up with girls far hotter than at most American clubs who out class my favorite porn stars for pennies on the dollar and I have never been more mentally and spiritually unhealthy.. Moral of the lesson it’s not worth it stick to Pornhub.. worst feeling is when you sense the girl doesn’t care anymore and you blame yourself for being a major part of the reason for it. If there wasn’t a market there wouldn’t be a problem..

    I fucked around at extras clubs in the US once or twice a year and in short stints but this got way out of control and really made me hate it all.. Major reason I scaled this back is I am having nightmares and in full awareness of the human cost. I even spoke to a female manager who privately dialogued with me about how this was mentally affecting her as well. You know the recruiter becoming the recruiter over time..

    It’s a real post.. I assume my actions are going to be scrutinised as they should and need to be.

    As for the girl everything you said will likely be the case. I wrote this for techniques on establishing something marginally real romantically while maintaining a respectful awareness of everything. Only reason I am even mildly entertaining the thought of it being real is she’s a dirt cheap date and very humble even compared to most civilians.. This is not normal for the girls to engage customers like this.They DONT want to get fired or worse.. We both do the same thing for work and we’re very passionate about art but again everything you said still rings true. There is a 14 year age difference I went from hiking 35 miles into mountains with military equipment to gaining 40 lbs after Covid and I’m swinging way out of my weight class with her artistically and sexually.. If anything I have sensed this could psychologically work but it’s sad for both of us that I can’t jump back ten years..

    As for her personal situation she’s a lot smarter than most of these girls.. Going to school for two degrees and I guess she just likes to do it in a $600 dress.. Doesn’t spend on the Instagram hoe lifestyle.. she’s an actual dancer to in the summers and she seems like the type that is mentally prepared to succeed earn and build off the money not let it destroy her. Her attitude thus far seems to be “judge and ye will be judged” and doesn’t it like it when I talk about her like she’s above her co workers and she makes it clear there are a lot of good people behind the music and it’s not my place to assess value on the scene or people involved unless I want it done to me mine and me.

    Well see where this goes but if anyone wants to call me a piece of shit feel free. If I died from the bug after this little fiasco it would be sound karma..
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    Ok, two simple points:

    First, strip clubs are not a substitute for real relationships. They are paid to entertain you in whatever way that the two of you agree upon, which makes the situation transactional. The only reason she ever gave you the time of day in the first place is because you were paying her.

    Second, if she would have been out of your league if you met in a normal bar, then she's still out of your league. Her attention was provided in exchange for money, nothing more.

    It sounds to me like she's trying to keep you on the hook for future economic reasons. I could be wrong, but I doubt it. So either keep paying her or move on, but either way stop burning her time and energy chasing a wild ass dream that is never going to happen. Then maybe you should consider normal dating in lieu of chasing affection in a strip club.

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    We’ll see very soon. Odds are heavily in favor of everything that’s been stated in the two above posts by both you and the moderator.

    Honestly Rick your right on keeping a very careful perspective on all of this. She’s probably not sticking around because she’s impressed with my drug and binge on girls after the last two months when she’s highly educated and a fashionista who I have a 14 year head start on...

    Everything by scale in the US is much cheaper so it’s easy to dillude yourself into thinking she’s a cheap date when steakhouses and Asian fusion costs $40 for two people and her hourly rate is $60 in three hour blocks and $lower in six hour blocks..

    Still she’s eating a lot of money just sitting around my house for $20 dollar dinners and my shitty broken personality. As you said she’s likely just the one who’s smart enough to play the long game and even if she is it’s ok. There is mutual respect between us on our educational and professional commonalities and passions and I made it clear I don’t have a problem helping her with school while a lot of these girls are putting the cash up their nose or giving it to “Big Daddy” while getting the euro equivalent of “fuck you pay me tattoos”

    Reality is this is all toxic and not real until she says it is and even after that both parties are going to need to be very careful and forget a lot.

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    Reality is this is all toxic and not real.
    You should have stopped that last sentence there. It doesn't matter what she is. You're not in her league, which is really all that matters. This is just a pit stop for her and probably not the only one.

    If you're satisfied with that then so be it - some lessons need to be learned firsthand. Or you can man up, stop feeling sorry for yourself, take ownership of your life choices and make changes to improve your relationship eligibility while you're still young enough.

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    Hey man I appreciate the advice.. I can tell it’s coming from a well intentioned place. I think that’s the biggest thing here right? You have to make sure people are well intentioned before you put serious value on them on a human level.

    I honestly think you have some valid points you brought up and perhaps it’s worth considering some of them.

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    Yeah, my advice was also going to be that she is sticking around for money and / or safety. I don't know if these dancers are in trafficking situations or acting of their own volition. But especially considering the age and fitness gap between the two of you, and how you started seeing her in the first place (trusting relationships don't often spring from that kind of beginning), i don't get the sense that she's genuinely interested in you. And like you said, it's a toxic situation.

    What starts in chaos ends in chaos. I think the value you're getting out of this situation is not HER, the value is in the realizations you're having about what you want, the possibilities of entering into a relationship and quitting the hard partying, etc. Maybe think of her as your muse, and a gateway to new possibilities for fulfillment and sources of joy in your life. You don't actually know the real her, so I'd say this is much more about you, what you're projecting onto her (unintentionally), and what possibilities you're seeing for your own future.

    Take care, OP. You're an imperfect human for sure, but i felt like you exposed your imperfections and bad decisions honestly, and that's the best we can do sometimes.

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    Her-
    “i don't know what i want now, “my name”
    Dating and working in a club is not serious
    I think when I'm alone I can do what I want and sleep with whoever I want
    if we dating I will need to leave work if i don't i will feel bad
    I don't know if you can give me as much money as I need, but I know that you feel bad knowing that we are starting dating without love.
    Maybe i need time
    I don't know

    Thanks for understanding
    It means a lot for me”


    - Me
    “I understand and appreciate your honesty“

    “ Honestly I could never please you sexually or emotionally on the level you require to be happy and we both know it. Money isn’t even the primary issue. It’s that I’m not capable of giving you what you need as a woman. I don’t fit into your life narrative easily. Even if I lost the weight I would never connect with you like a local”

    “ You have spoiled me and time with you is something I value a lot because of who you are.”

    “ However you will always have the option of a richer man or a better lover even if I met some magic number or helped you start your own salon with my finances to leave that end of things”


    Her-
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    “ “My name”, for life it doesn't matter how much a person earns and what he looks like but now I'm not looking for a
    person for life“

    -

    “ I know in my heart though God would be very angry at me if I started a Salon to get you out of the business. Truth is I don’t want to have sex with girls all the time I want to cuddle in bed with someone and feel loved. I throw up at the thought of hurting a woman after the things I have seen and we both know the business requires emotional detachment”

    “ We also know that no amount of money will make you feel anything for me or forgive me for trying to control you with cash”

    “ Your a free spirit with a lot of skill. And honestly right now maybe this is the best I can hope for.. so perhaps this arrangement works. You spend as much time with me as your willing to and when you need money you tell me it’s time to fuck and I leave the money in your purse”

    “ Out of curiosity what was your amount to get you to quit? I need love and that’s not love so it’s not possible but I am curious as to the amount you had in mind ��”

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    This is the text chain that ensued after last night.

    We have been going on a lot of dates lately off the clock and I phased sex out. It felt traumatic for me because it was as we all can agree toxic..

    She had been drinking with her friend from college and said she could come over for “fun” I didn’t get the clue but I suspected.

    What threw me off was that when she got here after multiple off the clock dates she said “you mentioned you had water I thought you were going to just throw a ton of cash at me. So I decided to come thank you.” This was a day after I showed her money roll origami art with around an average months salary here.

    She went upstairs and we discussed a Sachs 5th knock off store here putting dirt on a$ $100 t shirt when I went to return it a day later. I explained it didn’t fit. She said she could wear it. She mentioned I should keep it here for when a girl stays over. It was almost like she was hinting she wanted to spend the night.

    After two hours and sex was up she wanted to call a cab and insisted I don’t call a Mercedes (it’s only 4 dollars more here) I didn’t know so I figured I’d apply the final test and she said “so you aren’t going to pay me?” I went and got the money and the text chain I shared above ensued.

    I paid 78 dollars. Three hour blocks have cost me 180 and six hour blocks 280.

    The real cost was the emotional baggage. I think it’s time to listen to all of my close friends and the people here and quit dating getting close to and having sex with dancers and escorts here. This was healthy in a way. There were two I know a little bit and got jealous with the guys they were hanging around outside the club despite my money and influence. I literally was sick enough to think that would do something for me. I found one who I liked a lot more and it did nothing in the end except reinforce an unhealthy fantasy and make both of us feel bad.

    We’ll see where this goes. We were planning on sitting front row for Swan Lake on Tuesday in bed twenty minutes before reality hit.. I just know there’s no perfect way for me to handle this because it’s not a perfect situation. I also know better than to try to buy a girl out of the life..
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    So I guess this is where we’ll leave it for now.. it’s less toxic than bottle service and party favors while hitting nifty fifty as far as partners go in a six month period.. ��♂️

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    ME
    “if you still want to go to Swan Lake Tuesday night let me know. I’m going to get tickets and if you aren’t interested I understand. This is my fault for not taking the hint on what you meant by “fun” last night. It’s my fault for feeling something. I can’t unfeel it but I can control it. I can accept reality with the hope that you go as my friend on Tuesday. �� Sex with you hurts in a way now.. I’m willing to do that if it keeps you around for awhile longer..“
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    “ We can go on Tuesday to Swan lake”

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    Yeah, it sounds like you have a pretty clear answer. Good for you, OP.

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    I assume my actions are going to be scrutinised as they should and need to be.
    Gee now who does this sound like.

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    We were planning on sitting front row for Swan Lake on Tuesday
    LOL.

    The ballet part is cracking me up. You managed to get last minute front row tickets to the ballet?

    Quote Originally Posted by Target View Post
    Tonight we are getting tickets to the ballet front row and having a nice dinner.
    And then again for "Tuesday?" What kind of theatre is this supposed to be? What was the first ballet you 'saw?'
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    Apart from what has already been said: Stop hanging with pimps and start seeing a therapist, if you are doing destructive things you're likely going to need professional help to break patterns.

    This is a bit off topic but I'm curious about what country this is where you can go see Swan Lake in a raging pandemic, I mean many places in Europe have curfews and pretty strict lockdowns still.

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    This is a bit off topic but I'm curious about what country this is where you can go see Swan Lake in a raging pandemic, I mean many places in Europe have curfews and pretty strict lockdowns still.
    I was wondering as well, it looks like a lot of places overseas have their seasons pushed back too because of all the missed ones.

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    Is this the War & Peace version of sexcapades?

    Sorry, can't get past the wall of text..I do mean wall!


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    As for her personal situation she’s a lot smarter than most of these girls.. Going to school for two degrees and I guess she just likes to do it in a $600 dress.. Doesn’t spend on the Instagram hoe lifestyle.. she’s an actual dancer to in the summers and she seems like the type that is mentally prepared to succeed earn and build off the money not let it destroy her.
    He really thought this was a good thing to write on a strippers' website too lolol.

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    ....I guess OP didn't wake up in a bathtub full of ice with one of his internal organs missing. Good good. I see he's a gifted writer of fiction.

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    I don't really see the point in accusing the OP of falsifying. Even if it isn't true, there's no way for us to know that, and it's a valid thread / story to pose for feedback. Let's not troll this thread, please.

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    ^^^Okay I won't accuse Raziel of being Raziel anymore.

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    He really thought this was a good thing to write on a strippers' website too lolol.
    I found it a bit contradictory on top of that, spending 600 on a dress sounds a lot like spending on the "Instagram hoe lifestyle" to me, but then again I don't really know what he means by that phrase. It just makes me think hm wow shopping for expensive clothes with the money she gets from sex work, that's so original, she really must be a lot smarter than the rest of us. But I've found that men (probably women too) do this a lot, when they like someone they find reasons to justify the exact same things that they look down on others for doing. She studies two degrees and works with kids so she can get that dress, no judgement. If some working class girl does the same and on top of that has the nerve to post a picture of herself in it she's an "Instagram hoe", I could be reading too much into this but I've seen it so many times before and I think it's just a sad pattern of classist misogyny. The power dynamics of society is probably not what op wanted to discuss though lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Likethis View Post
    But I've found that men (probably women too) do this a lot, when they like someone they find reasons to justify the exact same things that they look down on others for doing. She studies two degrees and works with kids so she can get that dress, no judgement. If some working class girl does the same and on top of that has the nerve to post a picture of herself in it she's an "Instagram hoe", I could be reading too much into this but I've seen it so many times before and I think it's just a sad pattern of classist misogyny. The power dynamics of society is probably not what op wanted to discuss though lol
    I do know exactly what you mean, and I do think women do it too.

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    This is a bit off topic but I'm curious about what country this is where you can go see Swan Lake in a raging pandemic, I mean many places in Europe have curfews and pretty strict lockdowns still.
    My guess would be Russia. They're know for their ballet and for having many poor, well-educated people.

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    We have been going on a lot of dates lately off the clock and I phased sex out. It felt traumatic for me because it was as we all can agree toxic..
    So, you friend-zoned her...

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    What threw me off was that when she got here after multiple off the clock dates she said “you mentioned you had water I thought you were going to just throw a ton of cash at me. So I decided to come thank you.”
    ...after she assumed you were her Sugar Daddy?

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    She mentioned I should keep it here for when a girl stays over. It was almost like she was hinting she wanted to spend the night.
    I'm not a girl, but in my experience, you're reading something into it that she isn't writing. Sounds like the hint was "see other gals." Tip: if a gal comes over to hang out, and leaves a t-shirt or earrings or whatever, don't take them back to her! She left them to have an excuse to come over again. *That's* a hint she wants to spend the night.

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    After two hours and sex was up she wanted to call a cab and insisted I don’t call a Mercedes (it’s only 4 dollars more here)
    Discretion is the better part of valor. If she usually arrives home in a regular cab, the neighbors won't think anything of her coming home in a regular cab. Send her home in a Mercedes, regardless of how inconsequential the price difference is to you, it'll be noticed and then the gossip happens.

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    I didn’t know so I figured I’d apply the final test and she said “so you aren’t going to pay me?” I went and got the money and the text chain I shared above ensued.
    Because she thinks you're her Sugar Daddy. Own it, and stop confusing her with the friend-zone and gf bs.

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    The real cost was the emotional baggage.
    Dude, you're creating your own drama. No gal wants to carry your emo baggage like that, regardless of her occupation.

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    I think it’s time to listen to all of my close friends and the people here and quit dating getting close to and having sex with dancers and escorts here.
    That's taking it too far, IMHO. Don't freeze a gal out for being a sex worker, but don't expect her to warm up to you if that's the context of how you met.

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    This was healthy in a way.
    You say this, and back it up with a story that sounds totally *not* healthy? I hate the word "woke" but you may achieve that status once you stop projecting your problems onto the gals you're confusing. Or go total misogynist. There is a happy medium -- Sugar Daddying. Lay out all those financial, sexual, and emotional expectations from the start and nobody's gonna be confused about friend, lover, potential life partner, or whatnot.

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    We’ll see where this goes. We were planning on sitting front row for Swan Lake on Tuesday in bed twenty minutes before reality hit.. I just know there’s no perfect way for me to handle this because it’s not a perfect situation. I also know better than to try to buy a girl out of the life..
    So much wrong with that, I don't know where to start. Agree on having an imperfect situation, see where *that* goes. Maybe I couldn't have "bought" my gal out of the life without Covid, but after 16 months we're officially an "item" and I loved it when she spent some of her modeling income to invite *me* out for a 3-day ski date and paid for it all. Apparently she doesn't just see me as her Sugar Daddy, but it took quite a bit of work to get there together, from an improbable beginning.
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