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    This is touchy subject within our industry, and it's been discussed multiple times here and many of us have agreed on certain points on the decline of the industry. Here are the points that we most agreed on.

    - Consumer demographic shifting. Boomers made the strip club industry grow and supported it while making the stripping gig a lucrative occupation for young, and attractive, women.

    - Multiple options for entertainment. Boomers grew up with a very limited options for entertainment: collect baseball cards, read comic books, listening to radio, watching TV when television become a commodity for the common people, etc. Other industries(casino, music, pornography) also benefited from Boomers. But things changed once video games and the Internet became popular.

    - Economics. Boomers benefited from post-war census economic policies, aka Keynianism. Basically regulated market and banking system while giving public services(socialism) to the general population and enforcing strong labor laws(minimal wage and labor unions). Thus, Boomers got their college degrees, careers and homes with no problems as the younger generations has suffered and still is suffering from Reaganism, aka neoliberalism. Which leads to the current problems that Millennials have: debt, overpriced housing, jobs outsourced, unfaired child support payment system, etc.

    - Liberal view on sex and nudity.

    Thus, all these points coompounds together to get the current state of the stripping industry.

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    I classify myself as a retired boomer. I haven't been out to a club in over a year. OTOH, I haven't gotten interested in porn or cam sites, either. I get my 2nd vaccination in a few days.

    My regular club now seems to be closed for good, but I know a couple others that I want to go see how they are doing these days. I may not ever go out as often as I used to, unless COVID becomes a thing of the past. But I plan to make up for it by taking along more of the money I wasn't able to spend last year, and getting it into some deserving hands - especially if I should run into any of my favorites from the before times.

    So to your question, we'll see what evolves. Maybe clubs as we knew them are a dinosaur model, but there are still a few of us dinosaurs left, and we are not broke and not ready to give it up just yet.

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    Sorry, duplicate.

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    I don't think strip clubs are "dinosaur model" like their lesser counterparts. I just think the younger generations can't support it due to many economic problems they acquired from Boomers' lousy political decisions: banking deregulation(removing Glass-Steagall Act), good-paying jobs being outsourced(NAFTA), increasing taxes on the middle and working-class, skyrocketing higher education cost, raising housing cost, wage stagnation. While strip clubs have to compete with cheaper sources of entertainment of video games and the Internet(free porn, Netflix, YouTube, social media) and the rise of the hook-up culture.

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    High speed Internet and a plethora of online options have been widely available for 20 years now, yet the nationwide club count was growing from 2002-2008. Until they can make a computer screen feel, smell and behave like an in-person dancer, online adult services are more likely to be complementary than competitive, something guys do when they don't have the cash to do the real thing.

    Clubs in many places are still thriving. In many Southern cities there are lines going out the door on weekend nights, even now, and it's both young and old. In fact, in many places it's becoming more of a party/couples activity as well. All this makes me think that clubs in the right areas will find demand for a long time to come.

    Now sure we lost some clubs in 2008 and the long 8 year anemic joke of a "recovery" that came after, but from 2017-2019 the economy jumped and in better club areas (like mine) there was actually growth in club numbers. Usually when I see posts with a lot of pessimism about the future of clubs, it's from someone from a place where a lot of other negative things are happening to impact clubs.

    In the cases of places like NY, CT. NJ, IL and MI, IMHO it's the loss of affluent customers. Make no mistake, in most clubs, affluent (relative term in some areas) customers comprise a high percentage of club spending. But in recent years they've been leaving in droves for places like FL, TX, TN and other friendly states. It doesn't help that many of the cities in states that the affluent are fleeing also bend over backwards to ensure that a new club cannot open to replace one that fails.

    So while I think the model itself still works and has little direct competition, I do see club counts becoming even more concentrated over time in states that are desirable affluent transplant destinations and are more lenient in their attitudes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    This is Rick Duganís fantasy world. Thanks for the laugh buddy!
    Glad I could amuse.

    These are just the random observations of a guy who has been clubbing in various states from the year that high speed Internet became widespread to the present day. Things aren't equally bad everywhere. In fact, I'm sure there were lines to get into several clubs in Atlanta and Miami, just to mention a couple of cities, even as I typed that first post on this fine Saturday night.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    High speed Internet and a plethora of online options have been widely available for 20 years now, yet the nationwide club count was growing from 2002-2008. Until they can make a computer screen feel, smell and behave like an in-person dancer, online adult services are more likely to be complementary than competitive, something guys do when they don't have the cash to do the real thing.

    Clubs in many places are still thriving. In many Southern cities there are lines going out the door on weekend nights, even now, and it's both young and old. In fact, in many places it's becoming more of a party/couples activity as well. All this makes me think that clubs in the right areas will find demand for a long time to come.

    Now sure we lost some clubs in 2008 and the long 8 year anemic joke of a "recovery" that came after, but from 2017-2019 the economy jumped and in better club areas (like mine) there was actually growth in club numbers. Usually when I see posts with a lot of pessimism about the future of clubs, it's from someone from a place where a lot of other negative things are happening to impact clubs.

    In the cases of places like NY, CT. NJ, IL and MI, IMHO it's the loss of affluent customers. Make no mistake, in most clubs, affluent (relative term in some areas) customers comprise a high percentage of club spending. But in recent years they've been leaving in droves for places like FL, TX, TN and other friendly states. It doesn't help that many of the cities in states that the affluent are fleeing also bend over backwards to ensure that a new club cannot open to replace one that fails.

    So while I think the model itself still works and has little direct competition, I do see club counts becoming even more concentrated over time in states that are desirable affluent transplant destinations and are more lenient in their attitudes.
    It's 2021, the Internet has evolved into an infinite amount of sources than it was in the early-2000's. Social media didn't became a thing until the mid-2000's and we only had a limited amount of it: MySpace was popular, Facebook was growing in popularity, and a few lesser knowns. YouTube was launched in April of 2005 and it was a completely different website than it is today as it grown to have a variety of contents. Netflix grew in popularity by 2005 and it was a different service - they mail you DVDs then switch to a streaming service by 2008. YouTube-like porn sites(free porn) popped around 2008 and quickly became popular overnight and massively hurted DVD sales in the following year while porn magazines were in steady decline by the late-1990's - Remember, pornography and any content with female nudity was pricey during pre-and-early Internet era. eBay helped the collectible and hobby communities - collectibles and hobbies is also part of the entertainment-industrial complex IMO. While online piracy, a market disruptor, became a major problem for several industries: music, porn, and Hollywood. And compound that with the launch of the iPhone(start of the smartphone commodity) in 2007 and also the spread of "red-pilled" male mentality and the MGTOW movement.

    But the things is, Boomers was still the major block of the strip club consumer demographic pie in the 2000's. Generally, they were known as the "older white males" to us dancers and they were the "cream of the crop as they were the prime targets because they're the ones who spend the most. Doing so, the boys who grew up in the 1990's and 2000's were grown up on video games and the Internet and are now grown adults with economic problems and have a whole different consumer mindset.

    If you were a dancer during the end of the "golden era" and the "transition period," 2010 to 2016, you know the money is very different. The "older white males" are retired and stopped showing up to strip clubs and replaced by a whole different male consumers that are not incline in spending on dances and champagne rooms and just want to a free show and drink&eat. Reason why you hear dancers here complaining of making $100 on a Saturday today when us veteran strippers, who danced in the 90s and 2000's, made $500 on a Tuesday regularly back then

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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    My only issue with Rick is that he has this snarky undertone to everything. He knows I can’t stand him.
    The thing about Rick is his stagnating thinking. Thinking it's still 1999 like the Boomers that I know of. Still thinking that a price of a decent home in a decent area is $60k and gas price is $1.15/gallon. Example would be his comment about the economy picking up after Trump's tax cuts and dismantling of the Frank-Dodd Act(a way weaker version of the Glass-Steagall Act) which created a boom-bust cycle and mocking Obama's bandaid(weak) approach not knowingly we went through this before with Clinton's removal of Glass-Steagall and Bush Jr's tax cuts that lead to the 2008 crash. Still thinking two parties are different. Sorry about the political talk.

    Rick thinks as a long-time upper middle-class consumer with means that doesn't see through the eyes of dancers and the current under-40 male consumers and just doesn't see the changes nor our POV as dancers which is quite simple: make a lot of money in a short period of time with the least amount of work(sales pitch and convincing). What woman likes to deal with drunks and perverted weirdos while getting groped on and being nude in front of them for $100 a night?

    Sure, some clubs is still going strong but I'm sure it's because of bar sales and collecting house fees. But the money for dancers has gotten worse every passing year.
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    you know exactly what you’re doing. Stop.
    I am sharing my views based upon what I have been seeing and hearing over all these years, including today, nothing more.

    Now to 305's points, if you're going to compare today to 1990-2000 then I somewhat agree that the dynamics have changed a lot. Back then elaborate stage shows, with costumes, laser lights, smoke machines, pole tricks, etc., were common and guys tipped well for them. Shoot many clubs still hadn't instituted lapdances yet and at those that did it was not the LD experience of today. I will also agree that the Internet, including easy access to porn and cam sites, were contributing factors in the demise of what I call the "stage show era."

    But on the flip side, the Internet was also a boon for clubs. The strip club industry was actually growing right up to 2008, not shrinking. In 1995 they were not always easy to find if you did not have a source of intel. Fast forward 10 years and every club in the country was at your fingertips online. Now admittedly more clubs and more dancers probably also pushed each dancer's money down a bit, but purely from a strip club model perspective it was a good thing.

    But to say that the model is broken because the the industry has evolved just flies against everything I'm seeing today in areas where clubs are running strong. Indeed right before COVID started, my local FL clubs were the busiest I had seen them since I moved down here many years ago and that includes the LD rooms. When I traveled to Atlanta months back in the height of the COVID hysteria, I actually stood in line outside of a club and when I finally got in watched guys tipping obscene amounts of money on stage.

    Conversely, right before COVID started, I traveled to CT and the clubs were sad shadows of their former selves. Ask any girl who has worked in Beamers (Stamford) or Keepers (Milford) for 5 years (if there are any left now) what happened and they will tell you that many of their best customers moved away.

    IMHO there is still plenty of money to be made in this business, maybe just not in all the same locations as where it used to be.

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    Idk Jasmine. Guys still like to see (in person), touch and smell naked girls and until something comes along that is a suitable replacement I don't see clubs going the way of the dinosaur.

    Clubs certainly have more competition for the adult entertainment dollar than they did in the 90s or even 2000, which will only get worse as high def technology and Internet speeds continue to get better. As a result, guys do go to clubs now expecting more than they did in 1995 as seeing tits and ass is not enough by itself anymore. But a video screen can't give you a LD, or sit for 30 minutes in a CR, or let you know how she smells, or etc.,etc.

    I do think sugar sites are starting to bleed more money from clubs (one in particular). On a large customer site I post on I'm seeing more club hounds now talking about how they are diverting some of their SC money to girls on that site. It's the best of both worlds in one way - they start the interaction online and then move it to in-person.

    We shall see, but the combination of in-person contact, on demand availability (no scheduling needed) and variety of instant options of strip clubs are hard to replicate elsewhere. It's not just old timers I see in our local clubs and definitely not in Atlanta - the younger guys are coming out too, especially on the weekends. For these reasons and others I mentioned, I do think it's an evolution rather than stagnation or extinction.

    Anyway, I've made my points fwiw so will bow out of the thread from here on in.

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    Rick, the whole point of being a stripper is to make a large amount of money in a short time frame every night.. That's the bottomline for every strippers. But the thing is it's getting harder to make money today and even before COVID as more consumers aren't incline on spending on dances and would rather just "hang out."

    In my experience, I first dance in 2006 as an 18 year old and the money was there. "Older white males" would come and spend but also most younger men would come in and eagerly buy 2-5 dances consistently. There wasn't much "hustling" "convincing" and "talking" for us dancers as it today.

    We just put on an outfit and a pair of high heels, and walk onto the club floor and within 3 minutes, there was a sale. Once done with a customer, there was another one waiting to buy a lap dance. And it repeated throughout the night and every weekend. Consistently made about $800 - $1200 every weekend night and $500 was considered a bad weekend night but it didn't matter. You see, what we veteran strippers miss is the consistency of the money spending on dancers and the eagerness of the consumers of back then. And you can ask any strippers who dance in the 1990s and 2000s how the money was there for the taking.

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    I understand and agree on the "live entertainment" aspect - drinking alcohol and seeing naked women dancing, talking to an attractive woman that will personally never talk to you OTC and seem interested in you "financially" while groping her upper inner thigh then to legal sexually molest her in a rented private area for a extremely short period of time all for an exchange of sum of money.

    But the thing is, these incoming generations of consumers have a different consumer upbringing and priorities than their "fathers and grandfathers." You got to understand the consumer mindset. Especially the money equals time perspective.

    $600 on a new PS5 and game or 30 minute with a woman in the champagne room with no extras? Remember, video games is "renewal" and can be resell in the after-market when used. You can't do that with strippers. Once it's spent, it's gone. Reasons why you need consumers to have a large amount disposable income saved. Now, on the other example, it's an admission to a concert or show versus a lap dance. Both cost $25. But which one gives more time or in other words "bang for your bucks?"

    We live in a different time than the 1990's and the 2000's. We have a now competitive entertainment market that's competing for depleting disposable dollars.

    Sorry if you didn't catch my drift. But it's a bit difficult for me to put in words.

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    I've turned to camgirls during Covid, and more specifically, virtual reality camgirls. With a good VR headset, it is a very stimulating experience. What is missing is the physical touch. But, we are only a few years away from (affordable) haptic suits that can make you experience touch, like the feel of a dancer sitting on your lap and her hair brushing on your face, etc. I think the technology of the next 10 years will deliver a virtual strip club experience and, because it is virtual, there will be a lot more 'intimacy' than what is legally allowed in the clubs (e.g., virtual handjobs generated by a dancer jerking off a dildo controller that sends signals to a device worn by the customer to simulate the same action performed on him).
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    ^ I don't go to escorts, because, I am married. Getting a high contact lap dance might be 'adultery' to most people, but, this is how I compromise my morality with my needs and fantasies. I've been married for more than two decades and high contact lap dances is probably the only thing that keeps me from full-blown adultery. (I get to enjoy the fantasy of intimacy with gorgeous young ladies, without actually engaging in intercourse.) Sex with an escort would be crossing the line for me, even if though it is an arbitrary line.

    But, technology is going to really change things. People that I have shown VR cams and VR porn to with my Oculus VR headset have been blown away by the immersive experience. And, this is only the beginning. Virtual reality and haptic suits and remote control toys, etc., will make virtual intercourse seem very real. It will become a complete immersive simulation. This will be a game changer for several reasons, including: (1) full escort experience, but, completely legal, (2) moral deniability for the sex worker - its not really prostitution, they're just actresses in a simulation, (3) moral deniability for the customer - its not really cheating on my wife, just a simulation, (4) technology will give us the ability to enhance the experience, i.e., making it feel even better than the real thing, (5) I won't have to leave my home for this experience (just lock yourself in your study to 'focus on work that need to resolve for tomorrow'), (6) I will have access to virtual escorts all over the world and (7) 0% risk of catching a virus or STDs.

    I'm not sure what impact this will have on strip clubs. Many dancers may switch to becoming VR escort actresses. The cost of the equipment may be an obstacle for some, but, for those that can afford it, it will be safer work and more convenient to work from home. Unfortunately, there might be less customers in the club and more pressure for extras.
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    I think everyone on the thread has presented an accurate view of the transformation over the decades. Pre-mid-90'S, strip cubs and magazines were the primary source of a sexual thrill excluding escorts. Cant speak to much for other cities but in Texas, there was greater respect and appreciation for dancers. Groping not allowed and girls danced only on the table. It was called table dancing in those days. In cities that were booming, dancers made so much money that they worried less about how much time they spent with a guy. The clubs were packed almost every day. There was less opportunity for guys to spend all their money on other things like games, electronics, bitcoin, phones, or shiny objects. For example in the late 80's, my ATF averaged $2500 a week night doing mostly stage from 7 to 12. Post-mid-90's, all those things others here mentioned such as porn DVD's, internet porn, caming, tinder, etc.. expanded the sexual boundaries and diluted a males respect and appreciation for dancers(a real person). What many (but not all) saw online became their "norm" towards dancers being more explicit sexually such as groping or wanting extras. Dancers came off the table onto our laps. So the model has changed, in my opinion. I think men will still want the dancer experience but the model must keep changing to keep the money flowing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jasmine22 View Post
    Whatís strange to me in reading these responses, is how all the guys on here are comparing strip clubs to camgirls.
    And how youíre missing physical touch....but prostitution is always available and will never go away. A lot of guys like Rick deal with prostitutes in the club or use the club to take them home. But not every man has to go to a strip club to find that... thereís many other ways of finding a woman to meet those needs(escorts and private parties) . So Iím wondering if the same experience that you would get in a strip clubs enviroment whether itís full sex or just a lap dance, would become something else after the pandemic .
    Massage parlors still exist but they are not as popular as they were back in the 70s. This is because the HIV pandemic stopped many of the men from going during the 80s. So then strip clubs became the preferred alternative because they were less intimate at that time. So In the 90s and early 2000s it was strip clubs, which now have evolved to be more intimate. During this pandemic, it would be safer to be with an escort than a in a strip club because youíre dealing with one person not 100 people in a room. So I wonder what would be next or how it would evolve to meet the deeper needs that virtual experiences wouldnít offer. No one can replace sex or physical touch with masturbation and Iím not suggesting that it would. I hope that clarifies my purpose for this discussion.
    Ouch, lol. I was going to stay out but I just saw this and, well...lol. Sure I do engage in OTC from time to time, but it's hardly the extent of my club related activities, nor do I normally deal with girls who do those sorts of things ITC. I enjoy the clubs for everything they have to offer, including flirty in-person interactions and other less tawdry experiences. If I just wanted p4p then I could do it much more efficiently using alternative means.

    And that is exactly my point. There is nothing else that replicates that full experience. Now if you danced in the 80s and 90s you probably don't like the club model today because of the increased contact. Shit back then a lot of clubs didn't even sell lapdances yet and many that did were tame compared to today. But if clubs had not evolved, then they really would have been competing with cam sites and other online options by offering little more than nudity.

    As far as COVID keeping guys out of clubs, it doesn't seem like it anymore, at least from what I'm seeing here in northeast FL. Vaccinations have been a real game changer.

    One interesting change that I'm seeing is dramatically increased participation by couples and mixed groups. Now this has been increasing for some time, but recently it has been a lot more pronounced. I saw a lot of it during my last trip to Atlanta and a more of it here in northeast FL more recently. IMHO this is a good and important piece of the evolution of the industry. The more community tolerance that strip clubs have, the less that cities and towns will continue to look for ways to zone or de-license them out of existence.

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    I don't think there will be a post-pandemic boom, it is an industry with oversupply and less and less demand. Frankly, if you want to increase demand it has to be more mainstream which means less stigma (from both the religious right and left wing SWERFS), more social media, and more security from doxxing.

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    I donít understand why youíre offended by what I said? thereís nothing wrong with seeing a prostitute Iím not judging you for that. I never liked dealing with it in the clubs though because it wasnít something I wanted to do, and it just makes it hot for law enforcement, but I always thought it should be legal personally.
    I'm not offended, just amused to have my club activities were so rigidly pigeon holed like that. If my primary purpose of clubbing was just to find "prostitutes" then there are far easier and cheaper ways of doing that.

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    This really why I posted this too because it’s just getting to a point where...what is a dancer anymore? Are you a prostitute? Are you a dancer? How far is too far? You know it’s like...where does this go?
    And at the same time, some of these places are like nightclub restaurants where the dancers are basically treated like customers and basically just background noise. So I don’t know I’ve seen it change so much in the past 10 years and if girls are making money with it still then hey go for it but it’s just hard to say where it will go.
    Well, for starters, I think this stuff was happening as much 10 years ago as it is today. Maybe not as much of the ITC stuff, but certainly the OTC arrangements. Where there are naked girls trying to earn large sums of money from guys and horny dudes willing to pay large sums, a certain % on each side of the tip rail will inevitably be willing to take it to the next step. It's been happening for the 20+ years that I've been clubbing and probably as long as there have been strip clubs.

    But if a dancer decides to take an OTC offer that she thinks is too good to refuse, do we immediately slap a derogatory "prostitute" label on her and say that she's no longer a dancer? Is a dancer who engaged in survival sex early in the pandemic, when every business suddenly shut down, now a "prostitute" who never gets to be considered a dancer again? If I'm misreading this then my bad, but if I'm not then that sounds a little harsh to me.

    I'll just add that I also know plenty of newer dancers in this area who are not doing any of those things. I won't pretend to know how their money is IDK, but we have a new young generation of girls here who are posting their pics on Snap and Twitter while they're ITC and building followings of regulars who come to see them. In fact, on some of the customer sites, the ITC extras guys are complaining that they have "GPS" (a term I hate) and that their ITC mileage has gone down in a lot of places. Evolution goes in all sorts of directions and not all of them are bad.

    Anyway just a few random thoughts fwiw.

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    If my primary purpose of clubbing was just to find "prostitutes" then there are far easier and cheaper ways of doing that.
    I am curious. I don't hire escorts. (I have nothing morally against it, but, I'm married and I've set high-contact lap dances as my personal limit on adultery.) But, if I did want to hire escorts, I would prefer the strip-club/brothel model to hiring someone based solely on an online pic from their website. First, the club environment would allow me to meet several women, talk to them, and get lap dances (i.e., samples) prior to committing to purchasing full services. Second, I LOVE to watch a girl dance, and specially, to receive high-contact lap dances. There is no greater foreplay for me than that. (Do most escorts even know how to strip tease and lap dance? I bet there is an extra charge for that.) It seems to me that a club is an ideal way to meet escorts and make an informed choice. What better option is there?

    Having said that, I don't want to seem insensitive to non-escort dancers. I do realize that they have to put up with a lot of shit when they share a club with escort dancers. And, personally, I HATE IT when I'm getting a nice lap dance, but, a dancer suddenly ruins it by trying to upsell additional services and she gets pushy. No mean no.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I am curious. I don't hire escorts. (I have nothing morally against it, but, I'm married and I've set high-contact lap dances as my personal limit on adultery.) But, if I did want to hire escorts, I would prefer the strip-club/brothel model to hiring someone based solely on an online pic from their website. First, the club environment would allow me to meet several women, talk to them, and get lap dances (i.e., samples) prior to committing to purchasing full services. Second, I LOVE to watch a girl dance, and specially, to receive high-contact lap dances. There is no greater foreplay for me than that. (Do most escorts even know how to strip tease and lap dance? I bet there is an extra charge for that.) It seems to me that a club is an ideal way to meet escorts and make an informed choice. What better option is there?

    Having said that, I don't want to seem insensitive to non-escort dancers. I do realize that they have to put up with a lot of shit when they share a club with escort dancers. And, personally, I HATE IT when I'm getting a nice lap dance, but, a dancer suddenly ruins it by trying to upsell additional services and she gets pushy. No mean no.
    Right jack? They should have something on the Independent Contractor paperwork that each dancer fills out with check boxes like this:

    ☐ Regular Dancer
    ☐ Escort Dancer

    That way they can tell who is who. In fact, maybe we should make them wear name tags with their designations clearly listed so that customers know too. Am I right or am I right?

    Seriously though I'm not sure why some people think that this comes in two varieties, a girl who never does anything and a girl who always does everything. This need to slap labels on dancers' choices and put them in boxes in order to mentally and emotionally process them kinda' makes me wonder.

    The realities are much less clear cut in most clubs, except of course for that small % of clubs where girls specifically work because it is openly allowed and they can line guys up one after the other. A dancer in a normal club setting is still a dancer even if she decides to, for example, accept an OTC offer because the circumstances are right to her.

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    Anyway, I've made my points fwiw so will bow out of the thread from here on in.
    So much for that happening...

    So fun fact, I was reading about “Taxi-dancing” not too long ago. I found it fascinating to read about because of how similar it was in many ways to stripping today.

    It was a place lonely men would go to, and ballroom dance with women. The structure had no house fees , it was 10 cents a dance and the taxi dance hall would take half. Several parallels with dancing. The whole thing started in the early 1900s and was at its peak in the 1920s. It was way better money than what most could earn in a factory (the standard job at the time). Many women had fake names and fake backgrounds with their customers. Many were regarded as scheming and duplicitous like many strippers today. There was even some type of hourly time block offered where a taxi dancer could be in another room with a customer in a relaxed setting. I think it was like $6/hour or something? It was super popular in various big cities.

    Taxi dancing rose and it’s golden era was during the roaring 20s, kinda equivalent to the 1990s decade in many ways. But it kept on going through the Great Depression era. However, certain things ended up making things more challenging for taxi dancers. One was the existence of “corner girls”—or the ball room girls who would be stimulating customers a bit more...erm..directly in the corner of the ballroom. A lot of these women weren’t even wearing underwear underneath their dresses. Definitely the extras girls of that time period.

    Another was the the existence of “charity girls”—girls who would have sex but didn’t want to feel like prostitutes, so they “dated” men and the men liked them because they brought the costs down for true escorts and increases pressures for the likes of taxi girls.. And many taxi dancers would end up seeing customers outside the dance hall, especially as time went on. Definitely the equivalent to sugar daddies of that time period.

    As the Great Depression continued, this stuff only got more widespread. And taxi dancing popularity did start waning at that time.

    Interestingly, it is widely regarded now that the true death of taxi dance halls was around 1945, or right when the 2nd world war ended. Economic fortunes had vastly improved, but there was a huge cultural shift that happened to lead to its demise. I believe nowadays, taxi dancing only exists in one or two halls as a novelty somewhere in Los Angeles.

    I’m not saying strip clubs is just like taxi dancing, but I think a huge lesson to be learned from that time period is that culture will most likely be more important than the economy when it comes to the future of clubs. On the bright side, one thing clubs have that makes it more resilient, is that locations popped up all over the country—in city, suburban, and rural areas. Whereas back in the day taxi dancing was concentrated in and flourished in large cities like San Francisco, Chicago, Detroit, and NYC so it had a harder time when people decided they liked the suburbs more in post WW2 America. Another thing that keeps clubs resilient (for now) is the greater flexibility clubs offered to both dancers and customers. For now, most clubs offer dancers some degree of mobility to go between different clubs. For customers, they aren’t as much on the hook when entering the club to participate in dances like taxi dancing did. In that format, they had to buy tickets at the door, and if the lineup wasn’t to their liking, then too bad it already happened. It’s even now easier for clubs to adapt to changing time than it was for taxi dance halls back then. Whether strip club owners collectively will be able to rise to the occasion to adapt is something that is to be determined.

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    The future is....one door closes another opens! I retired from dancing too and I love that there are more options out there now. I feel like I have more control with the online camming than I did with dancing because you can’t control your environment. I love that we have more options now.

    That was so interesting about taxi dancing Stella....everything morphes into something else. Jasmine, you noticed that things are changing in a direction you didn’t like and moved on, I think that was the smartest thing to do. I knew too many women who stayed stagnant in the business and it never worked out well for them in the end, which is also why I left when I did I felt like I just didn’t want to deal with it anymore. It’s definitely coming back but it will be different. I think the world will be different after all this but hopefully in a better direction!

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    Strip clubs are not going anywhere. Maybe they will change, but women have been dancing sensually & exchanging their time (without sex) for literally thousands & thousands of years, this type of industry has stood the test of time. Actual strip clubs have been around since World War II while other forms of adult entertainment have come & gone (peep shows are one I can think of at the top of my head). The age of low effort money is over (as in no hustling required, back to back dances as soon as you step out onto the floor) but from reading older posts on here from 2002-2007, it doesn't seem like that was the norm everywhere either. I make 6 figures and I only started in 2017. I have a really good regular who is 21 and comes to VIP every time he comes in. (He is a firefighter and good looking enough to give ME jitters, so I don't doubt he'd be successful on Tinder if he wanted to) During one of our VIP rooms he said this: "Wow, this is really good stress relief." Customers are really that simple. Not everyone wants to stare at a computer screen either. Also, pickup artists existed back in the 90s and early 2000s as well. In fact I would argue a lot of men of today have even less game than ever before. Tinder isn't ordering a woman off your app to sleep with you like ordering chicken fingers off DoorDash, you have to actually have charm & respect for women to get laid with it & most dudes just don't. Tinder even uses female profile bots to match with men so they will continue to use & pay for the app so what does that tell you? I also know men that have been using sites like OkCupid for years. Maybe it is more socially acceptable for women to hook up casually now, doesn't mean it affects our industry that much.

    I had this line of thinking too, when I worked at a shitty club that nickel & dimed us, so I get it. OP, if your hustle is decent, try switching clubs if you aren't making a lot of money. A lot of clubs are set up to make most of their money off the dancers & they suffer the most for it. I'm not saying you have to move to a big city, just a place where the club is set up in your favor.

    Also read this. He explains when he used to work at a nightclub how the good ones are set up. They are really selling a fantasy and strip clubs are no different.
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