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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    There were also places in the U.S. that did not mandate masks in places like schools and instead focused on protecting the elderly and other vulnerable groups who had decent Covid numbers. Even mask proponents agree that they do little to protect the wearer. They do afford some protection for others coming into proximity to mask wearers.

    I'm fully vaxxed and I still wear a mask in certain places like the supermarket. Doctor's offices still require them.
    What you're saying isn't true. Masks do work and mask proponents do not agree that they do little to protect the wearer. They actually say the opposite, and unlike the anti-mask proponents, the position of mask proponents is based on facts and evidence, and the evidence is overwhelming that masks are an effective way of preventing the spread of covid-19.

    https://news.ku.edu/2021/06/28/study...-mask-mandates

    LAWRENCE — Despite facing cultural and political pushback, the evidence remains clear: Face masks made a difference in Kansas.

    “These had a huge effect in counties that had a mask mandate,” said Donna Ginther, the Roy A. Roberts Distinguished Professor of Economics and director of the Institute for Policy & Social Research at the University of Kansas. “Our research found that masks reduced cases, hospitalizations and deaths in counties that adopted them by around 60% across the board.”
    https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/...tes/114997270/

    Kansas counties that adopted a mask mandate over the summer had lower COVID-19 case rates than those that didn’t, according to a study released Friday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Kansas Department of Health and Environment.

    The news comes just two days after Gov. Laura Kelly announced another run at a statewide mask mandate, with counties given until Nov. 25 to implement their own directive or ultimately opt out of any mandate at all.

    The new research shows the seven-day rolling average of new cases in counties with mask mandates decreased by 6% following Kelly’s first attempt at a statewide mask order in July.

    Counties that elected to opt out saw case rates increase by 100%, the data showed. While case rates were higher in counties with a mandate, which includes the state’s larger urban areas, the number of cases “declined markedly after July 3.”

    The report noted that the only other statewide mitigation strategies taken during that time frame were related to schools.

    “Masks are an important intervention for mitigating the transmission of SARS-CoV-2 and countywide mask mandates appear to have contributed to the mitigation of COVID-19 spread in Kansas counties that had them in place,” the report said.

    The CDC report noted its findings were consistent with similar reviews in 15 other states, as well as Washington, D.C.

    They also mirror a study from the University of Kansas’ Institute for Policy and Social Research, which found that counties with mask mandates have had half the number of new cases than those that didn’t implement the requirement.
    If you're fully vaccinated, then you're probably safe not wearing a mask. If you're not vaccinated, then you should get vaccinated, and wear a mask in public places until you've been fully vaccinated for at least two weeks.

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    vaccination is everywhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    The evidence is overwhelming that they do. Asian countries where mask wearing is common saw far fewer cases and deaths from covid than countries where most people don't. In the US, counties that enacted mask mandates saw their number of cases and deaths go down, while counties that didn't, saw their number of cases and deaths go up.
    There is a bordering state and those jokers refused to wear masks during the middle of the pandemic. They still don’t wear masks.

    Guess which state is getting hit hard right now.

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    They should be, but there is nobody here who can do anything about it. If it's a concern for you, it would be better to ask the Mayor of New York City.
    If only you practiced what you preach. Have a great day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    What you're saying isn't true. Masks do work and mask proponents do not agree that they do little to protect the wearer. They actually say the opposite, and unlike the anti-mask proponents, the position of mask proponents is based on facts and evidence, and the evidence is overwhelming that masks are an effective way of preventing the spread of covid-19.

    https://news.ku.edu/2021/06/28/study...-mask-mandates



    https://www.cjonline.com/story/news/...tes/114997270/



    If you're fully vaccinated, then you're probably safe not wearing a mask. If you're not vaccinated, then you should get vaccinated, and wear a mask in public places until you've been fully vaccinated for at least two weeks.
    I NEVER said masks do not work. The N95 facemask is provably effective in both protecting the wearer and those around him or her. What is questionable is the effectiveness of most, not all, most other type masks in protecting the WEARER. Anything that limits aerosol droplets helps control the spread of Covid.

    Rather than worry about mask wearing I'd much rather see more being done to get people vaccinated. I don't know if people can be compelled to get vaccinated by government BUT private companies can make it a condition of employment ; to protect customers and fellow workers. Like private nursing homes. Before putting a loved on in a senior living facility I would want to know what their vaccination policy was. Wouldn't you ?

    Btw, a doctor in Tennessee was just fired from her state job for suggesting that teenagers could use a state law to get vaccinated without parental consent or even against their wishes. Dr. Michelle Fiscus, the top vaccine official in the Tennessee Dept. of Health wrote a memo based on Tennessee law that under certain circumstances teens could get vaccinated with or without parental consent. Her memo was approved by the Tennessee Dept. Of Health General Counsel based on existing Tennessee law. Some legislators had a hissy fit and held hearings claiming that this somehow undermined parental authority ! ? ! ? Vaccine events targeted at teens were cancelled. The mindset involved in trying to limit vaccination is bizarre to say the least.
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    I am not going to criticize anyone for being hyper-concerned about his or her own personal health. That's a personal decision. But at a policy level we need our leaders to look at this a little more dispassionately and let reason overcome knee jerk fear.

    Between vaccinations and previous infections, which are now showing to offer meaningful longer-term resistance, there are only so many people left to infect. Moreover, most of the people getting it now are young. Hospitalizations are ticking up again, but there is no overwhelming surge and there very likely won't be (bookmark this if you'd like ot disagree with me a couple of months from now, lol).

    So let's all take a deep breath. Sure there will be plenty of sensationalized and melodramatic stories of extremely unlucky young people, but they are the exception, not the norm.

    For these reasons and others, I am done with mandates of any type. The harm they cause simply outweighs the benefits and frankly always did. And yes, over 600k deaths were attributed to COVID, but let's also recognize that the overwhelming majority of those people were already very sick and/or old with one foot in the grave to begin with.

    The young and healthy still have to live their lives, preferably without a constant state of fear that is especially damaging to very young minds. Here in Florida all of the mandates are completely gone, including mask mandates for school kids. My kids are living completely normal lives once again without the backdrop of fear over something that isn't very dangerous to them anyway. They go to extracurricular activities, amusement parks and other places now completely devoid of masks and other remnants of fear mentality. As a result their emotional health has continued to improve as the Summer rolls along.

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    Problem is they are learning as they go along, which is never satisfying to people in need.

    As to those delaying to get the vaccine cause they are waiting for the science, well the science is that the vaccine works and is safe. How do we know? 160 million people that's how and the fact 99.7% of new COVID cases are people who were unvaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post

    Between vaccinations and previous infections, which are now showing to offer meaningful longer-term resistance, there are only so many people left to infect. Moreover, most of the people getting it now are young. Hospitalizations are ticking up again, but there is no overwhelming surge and there very likely won't be (bookmark this if you'd like ot disagree with me a couple of months from now, lol).

    So let's all take a deep breath. Sure there will be plenty of sensationalized and melodramatic stories of extremely unlucky young people, but they are the exception, not the norm.
    There is an overwhelming surge in places with low vaccination rates. In Missouri hospitals are being overwhelmed with covid cases. There are hospitals that are seeing more cases now than they were before the vaccines came out. They're also seeing far more young people being hospitalized.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-...ry?id=78731312

    Low vaccination rates are having a profound impact on hospitals, particularly in the southwestern part of the state. At Mercy Hospital in Springfield, more patients are currently hospitalized than at any point during the pandemic. More than 88% of patients in the ICU are on ventilators, and the hospital had to request additional machines from other hospitals in its network when it ran out earlier this week.

    "This is the absolute worst that I've ever seen it," Emily McMichael, a nurse at the hospital, told ABC News. "These patients are a lot sicker, and a lot younger, than what we saw the last go around, so it's just really sad to see. And a lot of the population is unvaccinated."
    All because people are too stubborn to get a vaccine that would prevent all of this.

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    For these reasons and others, I am done with mandates of any type. The harm they cause simply outweighs the benefits and frankly always did. And yes, over 600k deaths were attributed to COVID, but let's also recognize that the overwhelming majority of those people were already very sick and/or old with one foot in the grave to begin with.
    You're not the one who decides this. Older people and people with medical conditions, have the right to not suffer and die from a deadly disease if it can be prevented. At this point it doesn't matter, now that there is a vaccine, but hundreds of thousands of Americans needlessly died because our government wasn't willing to do what was necessary to protect them. The US has one of the highest death rates from covid in the world.

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    I'm still wearing my mask in public places and actually may continue from now on. I went through the whole cold and flu season with no illnesses and love the fact I didn't have to miss out on money that whole time. Sometimes a bad cold knocks me on my ass for a whole week.

    Plus, I've noticed when I have on a mask, most men don't bother and annoy me like they do when they can see my face. It's refreshing and I can get my shopping done without anyone interrupting me to ask stupid questions like hey, are you single and where are you from and crap. If I wanted to look for a date I'd look them in the eye and say hello. So many can't take the hint that I'm not giving them any eye contact or any encouragement and am in a hurry and want to be left alone. My mask is like an amazing shield that keeps the annoyances away, lol.
    Same.

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    There is an overwhelming surge in places with low vaccination rates. In Missouri hospitals are being overwhelmed with covid cases. There are hospitals that are seeing more cases now than they were before the vaccines came out. They're also seeing far more young people being hospitalized.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-...ry?id=78731312


    All because people are too stubborn to get a vaccine that would prevent all of this.

    You're not the one who decides this. Older people and people with medical conditions, have the right to not suffer and die from a deadly disease if it can be prevented. At this point it doesn't matter, now that there is a vaccine, but hundreds of thousands of Americans needlessly died because our government wasn't willing to do what was necessary to protect them. The US has one of the highest death rates from covid in the world.
    You mean a small mostly rural part of MO is having a "surge" in hospitals that probably had very low ICU capacity to begin with. The entire Springfield MO metro area, which includes five counties, has a population of less than 500,000 people. A much more representative sample is the state of FL, with 22 million people and and a jump in COVID cases, yet a much smaller jump in hospitalization rates - again because it's mostly young healthy people getting it.

    As to the rest, you bet your ass I get to decide whether I will tolerate more onerous mandates - with my voice, my spending and my votes. That is the beauty of a democracy with free speech. At least here in FL, a solid majority of the population has lost patience with any more of this nonsense now that there's a vaccine for anyone who wants it. Anyone who dies now made his/her own informed decision.

    I'm not going to relitigate the rather painful narrative that a country like ours, with its Constitutional constraints, open boarders and cultural influences, should have used tactics similar to Australia, Asian countries and several other much smaller countries with more centralized powers. We've covered this ground ad nauseum. At some point a grown man either recognizes that one of the prices of our freedoms is that our government cannot do these things as efficiently or effectively to its own population or he's going to value those freedoms much less than he yearns for other people to take care of him. These are philosophical and emotional stances that are not going to be changed via debate.

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    Not everyone is able to get vaccinated for example there are people with low immune systems who would be harmed by the vaccine.

    Also some people have had adverse reactions from the first dose and might not get a second dose.

    For some people (who are not at risk of contracting coronavirus ex stay at home parents, homeschool kids, non travelers, etc) the adverse reactions from the vaccine is more risky.

    Most people are gonna have mild reactions but some people are having severe n persistent reactions.

    The government is not your friend and they are going to make things look like a cakewalk so you’ll comply. And if you do have an adverse reaction from the vaccine - good luck suing them.

    Make sure to have your long term n short term disability insurance in place before getting a vaccine.

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    Rick - Philosophically I agree with you. But as a practical matter I agree with Eagle that more people ought to get vaccinated. The adverse effects of getting the vaccine are mild and transitory compared to the illness. Plus we are not just getting the shots for ourselves but as a public service or at least for the protection of our own friends and loved ones.

    What I oppose is the silly stuff. The theatrics that have no real impact on the spread of the disease. Mandating masks for schoolchildren is a perfect example. Young people are far less likely to get the virus ; far less likely to get seriously ill if they do and the chances that they will pass it on to their classmates are minute. Compare that to the genuine downside of compelling them to wear masks with both physical and psychological detriment.

    Like it or not there IS a surge in Delta variant cases currently going on. However there are serious questions about the stats. What else is new ? A case of Delta Covid means that someone tested positive for the variant. Period. We do not have solid figures on how many vaccinated and unvaccinated people have gotten seriously ill although hospitalizations have spiked up in some areas of the country. We have not yet seen hospitalizations shoot up to 2020 levels although that is widely being predicted. Despite the hazy numbers and predictions we do have enough data to see that vaccination is protective. Vaccination clearly results in either not getting sick or having a much milder bout of Covid. And Delta is just one variant. History tells us that there will likely be others. In fact there may be some right now. We also know that Delta is striking younger people more than any other group and they are recovering faster and ending up with anti-bodies to Covid.

    I think we should continue to positively encourage vaccination. When Elvis publicly got the Polio vaccine the rates of vaccination shot up within days. Where are Garth Brooks or the WWE or whoever else is popular in "flyover country" doing PSA's for vaccination ? I think they should. Instead all I see are commercials with people I've never heard of or have regard for and who thus have zero credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    There is an overwhelming surge in places with low vaccination rates. In Missouri hospitals are being overwhelmed with covid cases. There are hospitals that are seeing more cases now than they were before the vaccines came out. They're also seeing far more young people being hospitalized.

    https://abcnews.go.com/Health/covid-...ry?id=78731312



    All because people are too stubborn to get a vaccine that would prevent all of this.



    You're not the one who decides this. Older people and people with medical conditions, have the right to not suffer and die from a deadly disease if it can be prevented. At this point it doesn't matter, now that there is a vaccine, but hundreds of thousands of Americans needlessly died because our government wasn't willing to do what was necessary to protect them. The US has one of the highest death rates from covid in the world.
    You just couldn't resist getting in a political shot or two, could you lol ?

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    My city's new case numbers are coming in at 349. A few weeks ago we were at 55 or less. Masking and vaccines work.

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    You just couldn't resist getting in a political shot or two, could you lol ?
    /facepalm, great job reading. He was replying to another post that "[got] in a political shot or two" itself. You couldn't resist rewriting history, could you lol?

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    Rick - Philosophically I agree with you. But as a practical matter I agree with Eagle that more people ought to get vaccinated. The adverse effects of getting the vaccine are mild and transitory compared to the illness. Plus we are not just getting the shots for ourselves but as a public service or at least for the protection of our own friends and loved ones.

    What I oppose is the silly stuff. The theatrics that have no real impact on the spread of the disease. Mandating masks for schoolchildren is a perfect example. Young people are far less likely to get the virus ; far less likely to get seriously ill if they do and the chances that they will pass it on to their classmates are minute. Compare that to the genuine downside of compelling them to wear masks with both physical and psychological detriment.

    Like it or not there IS surge in Delta variant cases currently going on. However there are serious questions about the stats. What else is new ? A case of Delta Covid means that someone tested positive for the variant. Period. We do not have solid figures on how many vaccinated and unvaccinated people have gotten seriously ill although hospitalizations have spiked up in some areas of the country. We have not yet seen hospitalizations shoot up although that is widely being predicted. Despite the hazy numbers and predictions we do have enough data to see that vaccination is protective. Vaccination clearly results in either not getting sick or having a much milder bout of Covid. And Delta is just one variant. History tells us that there will likely be others. In fact there may be some right now. We also know that Delta is striking younger people more than any other group and they are recovering faster and ending up with anti-bodies to Covid.

    I think we should continue to positively encourage vaccination. When Elvis publicly got the Polio vaccine the rates of vaccination shot up within days. Where are Garth Brooks or the WWE or whoever else is popular in "flyover country" doing PSA's for vaccination ? I think they should. Instead all I see are commercials with people I've never heard of or have regard for and thus have zero credibility.
    I have no problem with the government looking at vaccination of the population holistically and encouraging higher vaccination rates, including PSAs and so forth. That's it's job.

    Where I draw the line is with vaccination mandates, including vaccination "passports" and other mechanisms designed to lever people into taking a relatively new biologic. Here in FL those mandates have been outlawed and the result has been a speedier and fuller economic and social recovery.

    Also while I hear your public service philosophy on this, the key difference here is that Polio was far more dangerous to children than COVID while the latter overwhelmingly impacts the sick and the old, all of which changes the calculus a lot. Two of my children are now eligible for the vaccine, but I have no interest in putting a new vaccine in them for something that is not dangerous to them to begin with. As a parent, I'm much more concerned with the risk/reward profile specific to my children than I am about broader public service concepts. None of them have comorbidities and one has already had a severe reaction to the flu vaccine, so for the time being it's not going to happen.

    We shall see regarding future hospitalization spikes. I predict that this will happen more in isolated geographic pockets with more unvaccinated people and lower prior infection rates, like SW MO, rather than a repeat of early 2020. Between vaccinations and prior infections, there are only so many people left to get seriously sick, especially since vaccine adoption was high with the elderly.

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    Because men are gonna men lol

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    I have no problem with the government looking at vaccination of the population holistically and encouraging higher vaccination rates, including PSAs and so forth. That's it's job.

    Where I draw the line is with vaccination mandates, including vaccination "passports" and other mechanisms designed to lever people into taking a relatively new biologic. Here in FL those mandates have been outlawed and the result has been a speedier and fuller economic and social recovery.

    Also while I hear your public service philosophy on this, the key difference here is that Polio was far more dangerous to children than COVID while the latter overwhelmingly impacts the sick and the old, all of which changes the calculus a lot. Two of my children are now eligible for the vaccine, but I have no interest in putting a new vaccine in them for something that is not dangerous to them to begin with. As a parent, I'm much more concerned with the risk/reward profile specific to my children than I am about broader public service concepts. None of them have comorbidities and one has already had a severe reaction to the flu vaccine, so for the time being it's not going to happen.

    We shall see regarding future hospitalization spikes. I predict that this will happen more in isolated geographic pockets with more unvaccinated people and lower prior infection rates, like SW MO, rather than a repeat of early 2020. Between vaccinations and prior infections, there are only so many people left to get seriously sick, especially since vaccine adoption was high with the elderly.
    Um , hmmmm. You do not want to get your children vaxed, why ? As we've discussed , you are not just protecting them but those they come in contact with. While the risk of Covid for those under 18 is small and there are a few reports of adverse reactions, on a macro basis the risk/reward calculus seems to come down in favor of getting vaxed. To try and simplify , if (repeat IF) you do not want them vaxed to protect them from adverse effects, I can understand that. I disagree but I can grasp and comprehend the decision. On the other hand, if the sole or even main reason not to see them get vaxed is to maintain parental control or protect their personal autonomy then I have some problems with that sort of thinking. Parents give up a measure of control every time their child walks into a school , or a day camp , or onto an athletic field etc. We surrender bits of our personal autonomy for the greater good all the time. Every time we get on an airplane for instance. Before you get all hot and bothered I do NOT think they should be vaccinated without your consent. I do think you can and should be persuaded that vaccination is the best way to go. And thanks to Fauci and some other nattering nannies who either don't know what they are talking about or ( in Fauci's case ) have been proven to be so wrong , so often, there is a credibility gap that has to be overcome. Which is why I go back to my call for broader PSA's. It's all well and good for Ms. Rodrigo to do her part but I'd never heard of her before yesterday and I wonder how many parents know who she is. On top of that she looks like a teenager and I generally do not take advice from that age group.

    I'm curious. What did you think about Tennessee firing Dr. Fiscus ?

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    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/healt...ses/index.html

    Every single Covid patient in a L.A. County DHS hospital is not fully vaccinated

    Los Angeles County is seeing a surge in new Covid-19 coronavirus cases, topping 1,000 for the fifth straight day Wednesday, and though hospitalizations remain low, each infected patient admitted to a county hospital has not had all their vaccine shots, officials said.

    "To date, we have not had a patient admitted to a [Department of Health Services] hospital who has been fully vaccinated, with either the J&J, Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. Every single patient that we've admitted for Covid is not yet fully vaccinated," county health services director Dr. Christina Ghaly told the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday.
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    Scary part of the above video - Contact tracing is very effective in places like Australia and New Zeeland - Delta variant is being spread by two people simply passing by each other in a shopping mall. "Since Delta variant is more contagious, we in USA will not be just two groups of vaccinated and un-vaccinated, but vaccinated and infected."
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    /facepalm, great job reading. He was replying to another post that "[got] in a political shot or two" itself. You couldn't resist rewriting history, could you lol?
    For Pete's sake, it was a JOKE ! That's why I put in the "lol". Sheesh !

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    https://www.cnn.com/2021/07/14/healt...ses/index.html

    Every single Covid patient in a L.A. County DHS hospital is not fully vaccinated

    Los Angeles County is seeing a surge in new Covid-19 coronavirus cases, topping 1,000 for the fifth straight day Wednesday, and though hospitalizations remain low, each infected patient admitted to a county hospital has not had all their vaccine shots, officials said.

    "To date, we have not had a patient admitted to a [Department of Health Services] hospital who has been fully vaccinated, with either the J&J, Pfizer or Moderna vaccine. Every single patient that we've admitted for Covid is not yet fully vaccinated," county health services director Dr. Christina Ghaly told the Board of Supervisors on Tuesday.
    Thank you. That's my point and where I disagree with Rick.

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    Um , hmmmm. You do not want to get your children vaxed, why ? As we've discussed , you are not just protecting them but those they come in contact with. While the risk of Covid for those under 18 is small and there are a few reports of adverse reactions, on a macro basis the risk/reward calculus seems to come down in favor of getting vaxed. To try and simplify , if (repeat IF) you do not want them vaxed to protect them from adverse effects, I can understand that. I disagree but I can grasp and comprehend the decision.
    Well I think I've been pretty clear about my reasoning and it certainly isn't out of some blind obstinance. As a parent the macro calculus is a distant second to the risk/reward profile specific to my children. I'm not the National Director of Public Health, but rather simply a parent whose job is to do what is in the best interest of his particular children.

    When I am facing the choice of:

    1. giving them a brand new vaccine with no long-term data behind it and which uses a fairly novel gene delivery mechanism; vs
    2. the risk of them catching a virus that is not especially dangerous to them anyway given their ages and health profiles...

    The choice is not a hard one for me, at least right now. Now could this calculus change over time as more data comes in on either side of the equation? Sure, but right now, when looking at it purely from their interests and excluding macro considerations, for me the math works in favor of holding off. All of our older relations have been vaccinated and anyone who hasn't is taking his or her own chances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CFMNH44 View Post
    Scary part of the above video - Contact tracing is very effective in places like Australia and New Zeeland - Delta variant is being spread by two people simply passing by each other in a shopping mall. "Since Delta variant is more contagious, we in USA will not be just two groups of vaccinated and un-vaccinated, but vaccinated and infected."
    Yes, but not everyone exposed to the Delta variant gets sick. Not everyone who gets sick needs to be hospitalized.

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