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    Given that I have a little bit of a history with this, it’s a subject which is always on my mind a lot. I was raised in a devoutly religious household and was always told of a great reward in heaven, if, “til Valhalla” is a common phrase used among friends of fallen soldiers, beloved pets “cross the rainbow bridge”, all of that. Having been there and back, it plays my doubts. There was nothing… nothing that I can remember, anyhow. Of course I think we like to believe that there are ascents beyond rather than just nothingness and nonexistence… I’d prefer to believe that myself.

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    I had a near-death experience where I buzzed/vibrated out of my body. My spirit separated from my body and it felt exhilarating. Saw a tunnel and the Light. Changed my perspective entirely on both life and death. It's what I wrote my book about.

    I am no longer afraid of dying, but my concern is getting my work done before I die.

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    The truth of Life is - reincarnation. We return to earth, the same soul living over and over again to learn Enlightenment.

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    Death is scary to me because it’s ……. Final.

    I don’t want any parts of it. I quit going on high risk activities. Etc.

    I know we all die I just hope I’ve lived a full life which I think won’t be until after I’m 85-90ish and I can stay in good shape. Then I want to die of natural causes. Quick n easy.

    If I have to suffer while I’m dying then I’ll probably be the first one at either the trap house or the the prescription mill. Nah I’d make my own drugs. I’d have the strongest weed edibles.

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    The entire concept of a Self is an illusion. I'm a non-dual meditator. When you're able to stop your thoughts and you try to look for your actual identity (look for the one who is looking), you realize that there is nothing there. We're just Awareness. When we die, our experience of awareness stops.

    I'm a pragmatic athiest, technically agnostic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SnuffleUffleGrass View Post
    The truth of Life is - reincarnation. We return to earth, the same soul living over and over again to learn Enlightenment.
    Totally agree. The most confusing part is how some people just know they are here for a certain "calling/purpose" and others flat out don't have one.

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    I learned everything I know about death from my Scandinavian Grandmother, hella Lutheran without any mention of Jesus somehow. My experience with her and others raised that way is that life is suffering but there is so much beauty in it, what happens after death was only up to god. She herself was a mess on what would happen she believed in heaven and reincarnation. I called her out on this at a young age and she said I was right but it didn’t matter. The afterlife could be awful after all, so why not live life as moral and loving as you can. Hedge the bets.

    Death was talked about openly and often, you try to joke, take care of things for the living. It’s nice to have that solid footing on the concept since it does seem terrifying if I don’t think of death as the end game for a life worth living, that lasts beyond this body.
    I am a life long atheist but admit I would like the whimsy of traveling to someplace else when my time is up. I think it just ends.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AChildOfBoredom View Post
    Given that I have a little bit of a history with this,... <snip> Having been there and back... <snip>
    Wait, what?! What experience was this? Are you able to share?
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    Wait, what?! What experience was this? Are you able to share?
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    Past lives are a real thing. Trust me once you start doing your own research into the hows and whys of your own life, you'll discover your life's purpose and the meaning behind your current incarnation.

    We are all matter condensed into a slow vibration that makes up the Universe we see and experience with our senses. There is no such thing as Death and we are the Imagination of ourselves.

    Truthfully meeting our soul mates is the highlight of every single human life.

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    Quote Originally Posted by indiegirl View Post
    Totally agree. The most confusing part is how some people just know they are here for a certain "calling/purpose" and others flat out don't have one.
    We’re all at different levels…don’t worry if you haven’t arrived. You’re exactly where your supposed to be.
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    I discovered my purpose after asking God/Source/the Universe to reveal it to me in 1999. In 2006, I had a NDE during which my purpose was revealed to me. If we want to know our purpose, I learned, we just have to ask the Higher Power to reveal it to us when it is time, if it is for our best and highest good. We often learn what our true calling is through tragic, traumatic events, so be careful what you wish for lol.

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    I believe humans are disposed to religious sentiment, perhaps as a coping or group efficacy mechanism. I am in an Islamic country, and though I'm not a follower of Islam, the أَذَان‎ echoing off the mountains is very powerful. In the sunset, with the last phrases repeating, you can definitely feel the pull of it. I feel the same way when I hear the anthem in a cathedral.
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    I've made my peace with death. I do not worry about it. I just focus on living and doing as much good as I can. The longer you live the more you are impressed by the brevity of life. It doesn't seem so long ago that I graduated college or ( insert other life experience ). I have no idea if there is something beyond the grave . If there is I will find out when I get there.

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    I believe humans are disposed to religious sentiment, perhaps as a coping or group efficacy mechanism.
    I think that's just more of a symptom of the human condition in general. We're highly evolved herd animals, but still herd animals, and we're naturally inclined to congregate rather than to separate. On top of that, we're often of a mind where we'll jump at any opportunity to perceive ourselves as being particularly enlightened, among "the chosen few", etc. People like Jim Jones, David Koresh, Charles Manson, et. al. understood this all too well. It's really not surprising to me that their followers did what they did. We're inclined towards cult type behavior. Not just talking about Peoples' Temple, Aum Shinrikyo, Branch Davidians, Heaven's Gate, etc. or even organized religion as a whole. You can even see it with political zealots, vegans, cyclists, fandoms, you name it.

    Been thinking a lot lately about the case of Terry Schiavo, which was big news in 2005. She'd been in a persistent vegetative state since 1990, her husband tried to get her taken off the machines which kept her... well, animated, not really alive.. in 98, and a big seven year legal battle ensued, which resulted in her being taken off the machines in 2005. Lots of strong emotions about that one flying back and forth. Yet - and especially among the mainline Christians - in the same breath with which they preached condemnation and damnation of her husband, they would also say, "Well, she's in a better place now". This to me was rather confusing, so I approached some our community/church elders and asked them, if they really believe that she was destined for Heaven, and that it was a better place in 2005 - and presumably would've been in 1990, 1998, or whenever - why do they so get whipped into frenzy over keeping her here in the state she was in rather than just allow her to go? That did not sit well with them, at all, and I was reminded of a number of things, including the place of women in the church and community.

    I wonder what it was like for her during that time. Was it just blackness, nothingness, nonexistence? Or did some hallucination of what life may have become play out in her mind, the way I wonder if it is for me? And if so, did it just end abruptly when the plug was pulled, or did it play out progressively and come to a 'natural' conclusion?
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    Been thinking a lot lately about the case of Terry Schiavo, which was big news in 2005. She'd been in a persistent vegetative state since 1990, her husband tried to get her taken off the machines which kept her... well, animated, not really alive.. in 98, and a big seven year legal battle ensued, which resulted in her being taken off the machines in 2005. Lots of strong emotions about that one flying back and forth. Yet - and especially among the mainline Christians - in the same breath with which they preached condemnation and damnation of her husband, they would also say, "Well, she's in a better place now". This to me was rather confusing, so I approached some our community/church elders and asked them, if they really believe that she was destined for Heaven, and that it was a better place in 2005 - and presumably would've been in 1990, 1998, or whenever - why do they so get whipped into frenzy over keeping her here in the state she was in rather than just allow her to go? That did not sit well with them, at all, and I was reminded of a number of things, including the place of women in the church and community.

    I wonder what it was like for her during that time. Was it just blackness, nothingness, nonexistence? Or did some hallucination of what life may have become play out in her mind, the way I wonder if it is for me? And if so, did it just end abruptly when the plug was pulled, or did it play out progressively and come to a 'natural' conclusion?
    That same grandmother of mine was terrified of this stuff. Not medical treatment, but being in that state. That was one of the things she drilled in, it violated her notion of death deeply. Thus I am the same way, legal papers and everything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahuba View Post
    I believe humans are disposed to religious sentiment, perhaps as a coping or group efficacy mechanism. I am in an Islamic country, and though I'm not a follower of Islam, the أَذَان‎ echoing off the mountains is very powerful. In the sunset, with the last phrases repeating, you can definitely feel the pull of it. I feel the same way when I hear the anthem in a cathedral.
    I still enjoy going to Church in a cultural way, even though I started questioning Church doctrine as a young teenager.

    I view religion as a tool people can use to improve their lives, but it's not essential for everyone. Honestly the atheistic viewpoint of Death as a full on stop is reassuring in its own way.

    Reincarnation does have so much good evidence to point towards its truth. Just my 2 cents.

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    ^^We don't even understand how consciousness works in 3D, much less in 4D. I'm reading a lot lately on the philosophy of mind uploading, and there is no real consensus even of the basic physiology of sentience.

    My guess is it will take another scientific leap forward before we understand the truth vs our perception of it, death included.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahuba View Post
    ^^We don't even understand how consciousness works in 3D, much less in 4D. I'm reading a lot lately on the philosophy of mind uploading, and there is no real consensus even of the basic physiology of sentience.

    My guess is it will take another scientific leap forward before we understand the truth vs our perception of it, death included.
    There's already been research on Near Death Experiences and what the brain experiences during Death (parapsychology.)

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    One quote I really like: “I do not fear death. I had been dead for billions and billions of years before I was born, and had not suffered the slightest inconvenience from it.”
    -Mark Twain

    So I have read about the idea of generational cycles, and I’ve been fascinated with that lately, and on average crisis periods of things “falling apart” tend to happen once every 8 or 9 decades on average, with other phases of life (both fun and not fun). There is the current time, before that WW2, before that the Civil War, before that Revolutionary War. I guess what I’m trying to say is that is that I want to live long enough to see all the eras played out that I haven’t been able to see yet. But come the next shit show period of time, l’ll be happy to kick the bucket and somebody else can deal with that. Who knows how the future will play out since that is a long ways away but based on the averages of phases of life, the sweet spot would be for me personally to die would be somewhere around age 97. If I make it to around age 85 tho that should be enough to experience what I want to tho. Here’s to hoping.

    I remember helping out with covid vaccines at nursing homes when that stuff was initially being rolled out. One woman there was 112 years old, old enough to have lived through the previous pandemic 102 years prior. That was quite a feat imo. If her mind was still sharp enough, that must have not been fun for her childhood to come back full circle. (But kinda cool she was 2 for 2 on surviving pandemics)

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    Quote Originally Posted by StellaRose View Post

    I remember helping out with covid vaccines at nursing homes when that stuff was initially being rolled out. One woman there was 112 years old, old enough to have lived through the previous pandemic 102 years prior. That was quite a feat imo. If her mind was still sharp enough, that must have not been fun for her childhood to come back full circle. (But kinda cool she was 2 for 2 on surviving pandemics)
    That's pretty fascinating.

    BTW on topic reddit has a lot of resources for people wanting to research Past Lives and Reincarnation.

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    Personally, I don't see why I should be scared of death? Why should I fear something that happens to every living being? It might sound morbid but I ready planned by my funeral. I started to work on will and gave my mother instructions just in case. I have nothing to fear of Death or anything related to Death. I just want an honorable death like many of my ancestors had. Death is good because I don't want live in this Earth past 110 years. I am using my one shot to do I set out to do. My grandparents had their shot and they have been gone for more an decade. I was lucky to meet them, interact with them, and learn from them. I got to meet, speak with, and learn from their family members as well. They are all gone now and it was good I knew them.Their parents, grandparents, and great-grandparents had their shot at life. I know where they are buried and I could visit them all. But that not what they desire. How I was raised...Death is good and cleansing.Why would one want to live past their own time? Not me.
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    ^^ I had a near death experience. Went out of body, saw a tunnel, and the Light. It was a beautiful, exhilarating experience. I'm not afraid to die anymore. I am more concerned about fulfilling my life's purpose.

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    ^I like it so much. I knew it could be inspiring!
    I 'd like to live forever and to stay young and beautiful of course I am so curious to see far far future and to gain experience and knowledge...endlessly. But I am not afraid of death. I see it as a transition to different dimensions with different tasks and experience for each individual. In my darkest hours I appreciate death and hope there is nothing but total darkness and non-existence after it. Like long long sleep without dreams and without awakening.
    I just really hope there is no such thing as reincarnation for me. To go through something outstanding and personal just to return to the same planet? Hell no.
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