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    They should have done that months ago. Those have always been more effective and we knew they were.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Right, because we should never question or challenge "the rules." No doubt the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, North Korea and a number of places would very much agree with you.

    Though actually I'm not sure how you came to that conclusion in the first place. The NFL did not require 100% vaccination, but rather simply set team level vaccination requirements and harsher ramifications for teams that did not meet those thresholds as well as unvaccinated players. The team was aware that Rodgers was unvaccinated yet kept him on the roster and continued to play him.
    That's right. He did not violate any rules e.g. unlike Antonio Brown he did not present a fake vaccination certificate. He has argued that he is young and healthy and takes vari0ous things that boost his immune system. We now know that the vaccines do not prevent infection.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    That's right. He did not violate any rules e.g. unlike Antonio Brown he did not present a fake vaccination certificate. He has argued that he is young and healthy and takes vari0ous things that boost his immune system. We now know that the vaccines do not prevent infection.
    He flat out lied when he said he was "immunized". He also potentially broke the law if he played in any cities or states with vaccine mandates. Kyrie Irving may be stupid, but at least he's honest and takes responsibility for his actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    The government is also giving away free N95 masks.

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-to-...nt-11643114887

    It's telling me I have to pay $8 to subscribe in order to read the full story. Do you have another link that will directly take me to a form I'd need to fill out? Thanks.
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    My grandmom commented on one of my FB posts that it will take a few weeks to receive them, however PhatGirlDynomite (Saw her post in another thread) got hers delivered already within about a week.
    Ok cool. will have to check my PO box tomorrow. If they take longer I'll remember that I may be a little while.

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    It's telling me I have to pay $8 to subscribe in order to read the full story. Do you have another link that will directly take me to a form I'd need to fill out? Thanks.
    I'm getting the same thing now. You can pick them up at participating pharmacies. Here's another article:

    https://www.today.com/health/free-n9...ores-rcna13491

    According to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, participating pharmacies will vary by state and territory. A full list can be found at their site, but popular retailers include Hy-Vee, Meijer, Kroger, Walgreens, Walmart and CVS Health.

    Here's the govt site linked to in the article:

    https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-1...harmacies.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    He flat out lied when he said he was "immunized". He also potentially broke the law if he played in any cities or states with vaccine mandates. Kyrie Irving may be stupid, but at least he's honest and takes responsibility for his actions.
    He lied to who, the press? So what? He no doubt did so to avoid the types of hyperventilating over-reactions by certain subsets of our population that were all too common for a while. He didn't lie to his team or the league.

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    Just trying to lighten the mood ! You're welcome to ignore this haha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    He flat out lied when he said he was "immunized". He also potentially broke the law if he played in any cities or states with vaccine mandates. Kyrie Irving may be stupid, but at least he's honest and takes responsibility for his actions.
    According to the CDC if Rodgers had Covid previously then he had superior immunity than if he had just been vaccinated.

    What city or state compels anyone to be vaccinated ? None that I know of. Except for health care workers in some states.
    NYC has tried to compel its workers to get vaccinated unless they have a health based or religious exemption.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    According to the CDC if Rodgers had Covid previously then he had superior immunity than if he had just been vaccinated.

    What city or state compels anyone to be vaccinated ? None that I know of. Except for health care workers in some states.
    Some cities and states require everyone to be vaccinated to be allowed in public places like sports facilities. Kyrie Irving isn't allowed to play basketball games in New York because he's not vaccinated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Right, because we should never question or challenge "the rules." No doubt the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, North Korea and a number of places would very much agree with you.
    You want to force your backward, repugnant views on abortion on all American women. You're literally funding the defense of priests who have raped children. You're the last person to be in a position to compare anyone to the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, and North Korea. You and your abhorrent church have far more in common with the leaders of these countries than I do.

    It seems your main purpose for being here is to harass anyone who doesn't share your extreme views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    You want to force your backward, repugnant views on abortion on all American women. You're literally funding the defense of priests who have raped children. You're the last person to be in a position to compare anyone to the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, and North Korea. You and your abhorrent church have far more in common with the leaders of these countries than I do.

    It seems your main purpose for being here is to harass anyone who doesn't share your extreme views.
    What is wrong with you ?!?! You and I have gone at it for years but you have never attacked me and my Church as you just did with Rick.

    That has to be the most vicious and undeserved attack you have ever launched against anyone. It is definitely against the rules.
    This thread is about Covid. C O V I D ! How does abortion or any other hot button issue figure in ? Child abuse by priests relates to Covid, how ? Shame on you !

    Are you including me and other Catholic members in your diatribe ? I still attend mass every now and then and even drop money into the collection plate. How does that make me or any other Catholic responsible for pedophile priests ? That's like blaming you and anyone else who ever voted for a Democrat for Jim Crow.

    Normally I would tell you to put your feet up and apply a cool compress but in this case you are so far off base and clearly in violation of the rules that I think you owe Rick , me and every other Catholic a full, complete and unreserved apology.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    Some cities and states require everyone to be vaccinated to be allowed in public places like sports facilities. Kyrie Irving isn't allowed to play basketball games in New York because he's not vaccinated.
    The NBA is preventing him from doing so. He could easily challenge the state and city rules. They were never passed by the Legislature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    You want to force your backward, repugnant views on abortion on all American women. You're literally funding the defense of priests who have raped children. You're the last person to be in a position to compare anyone to the rulers of Cuba, China, Venezuela, and North Korea. You and your abhorrent church have far more in common with the leaders of these countries than I do.

    It seems your main purpose for being here is to harass anyone who doesn't share your extreme views.
    Eagle it was not a direct comparison, but simply a tongue in cheek joke to highlight the weakness of the position that we should always blindly follow the rules. Also, I've never debated abortion on here and never will and my religious donations go needy children and immigrants via the overwhelming majority of priests who don't rape children but instead devote their entire lives to the service of others.

    You aren't being "harassed" just disagreed with. Unfortunately you tend to confuse the latter with the former when you get upset.

    My views are hardly extreme. Indeed I'm something of a centrist, at least by historical standards, lol. People who tend towards extremism are those who struggle with emotional control and feel compelled to lump and demonize any group or position that they dislike. Centrists, OTOH, tend to be so because they can rationally look at both sides of an argument. Just something to consider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric Stoner View Post
    The NBA is preventing him from doing so. He could easily challenge the state and city rules. They were never passed by the Legislature.
    No, the city and/or state is. He's allowed to play in away games but not home games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Eagle it was not a direct comparison, but simply a tongue in cheek joke to highlight the weakness of the position that we should always blindly follow the rules. Also, I've never debated abortion on here and never will and my religious donations go needy children and immigrants via the overwhelming majority of priests who don't rape children but instead devote their entire lives to the service of others.

    You aren't being "harassed" just disagreed with. Unfortunately you tend to confuse the latter with the former when you get upset.

    My views are hardly extreme. Indeed I'm something of a centrist, at least by historical standards, lol. People who tend towards extremism are those who struggle with emotional control and feel compelled to lump and demonize any group or position that they dislike. Centrists, OTOH, tend to be so because they can rationally look at both sides of an argument. Just something to consider.
    I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me. My problem is when you compare me to the leaders of totalitarian governments, or say that I would agree with them. The problem with the regimes in North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba, isn't that they're mandating vaccines. I wouldn't even care about people not getting vaccinated, except that these people are overwhelming hospital staff and taking up all of the hospital beds, so others aren't able to get medical procedures done or medical treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    My views are hardly extreme. Indeed I'm something of a centrist, at least by historical standards, lol. People who tend towards extremism are those who struggle with emotional control and feel compelled to lump and demonize any group or position that they dislike. Centrists, OTOH, tend to be so because they can rationally look at both sides of an argument. Just something to consider.
    60% of Americans support vaccine mandates and 70% support school masking mandates.
    https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/vie...t-january-2022

    Since this thread is on covid, I won't include polling on other issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    I wouldn't even care about people not getting vaccinated, except that these people are overwhelming hospital staff and taking up all of the hospital beds, so others aren't able to get medical procedures done or medical treatment.

    For real! If my February 25th surgery gets postponed a THIRD time (Because of too many Covid patients in the hospital), I'm telling the hospital to just forget it...screw my surgery...I give up. Lol. I don't think I can handle one more time of getting my hopes up, only to get another dreaded phone call of "I'm sorry, but we have to reschedule your surgery again." I mean, it's gotten beyond ridiculous at this point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    I don't have a problem with you disagreeing with me. My problem is when you compare me to the leaders of totalitarian governments, or say that I would agree with them. The problem with the regimes in North Korea, Venezuela and Cuba, isn't that they're mandating vaccines. I wouldn't even care about people not getting vaccinated, except that these people are overwhelming hospital staff and taking up all of the hospital beds, so others aren't able to get medical procedures done or medical treatment.
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    60% of Americans support vaccine mandates and 70% support school masking mandates.
    https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/vie...t-january-2022

    Since this thread is on covid, I won't include polling on other issues.
    Eagle, you were out of line, period. You responded to an obvious tongue-in-cheek on topic joke with angry bile. Now I will never tell another grown man how to carry himself, but it's often considered a sign of character when a man can admit that he over-reacted and apologize. Just sayin.

    As far as the rest, even if I took those polls at face value, being in the 40% is hardly "fringe" lol. Also, if you limited that school mask poll to parents you'd get a sharply lower support number. Public opinions are also morphing over time as people are becoming much less afraid of COVID and increasingly fed up with government over-reach. If you ran the same polls today you'd probably get very different results. Luckily most of our politicos haven't started legislating based upon fickle public opinion fads - at least not yet.

    As far as those hospital beds, I hear that heart problems stemming from sugary snacks and fast food joints are the next leading cause of hospital visits. Should we pass mandates around those as well? Surprisingly, foreign objects in the body are also an all too common reason for visits to the ER. I wonder how we mandate around that? The point is that many of the beds in many hospitals are full of people who were the cause of their own problems. When we start using that as an excuse to pass behavioral mandates it becomes a very slippery slope.

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    No, the city and/or state is. He's allowed to play in away games but not home games.
    The authority under which he is limited to away games comes from the League and the Nets based on Executive Orders , NOT legislation.
    He could challenge the governor's lack of authority.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Eagle, you were out of line, period. You responded to an obvious tongue-in-cheek on topic joke with angry bile. Now I will never tell another grown man how to carry himself, but it's often considered a sign of character when a man can admit that he over-reacted and apologize. Just sayin.

    As far as the rest, even if I took those polls at face value, being in the 40% is hardly "fringe" lol. Also, if you limited that school mask poll to parents you'd get a sharply lower support number. Public opinions are also morphing over time as people are becoming much less afraid of COVID and increasingly fed up with government over-reach. If you ran the same polls today you'd probably get very different results. Luckily most of our politicos haven't started legislating based upon fickle public opinion fads - at least not yet.

    As far as those hospital beds, I hear that heart problems stemming from sugary snacks and fast food joints are the next leading cause of hospital visits. Should we pass mandates around those as well? Surprisingly, foreign objects in the body are also an all too common reason for visits to the ER. I wonder how we mandate around that? The point is that many of the beds in many hospitals are full of people who were the cause of their own problems. When we start using that as an excuse to pass behavioral mandates it becomes a very slippery slope.
    The rate of hospitalization for Covid alone is rapidly dropping . As was predicted based in part on South Africa's experience with Omicron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eagle2 View Post
    60% of Americans support vaccine mandates and 70% support school masking mandates.
    https://www.psychiatrictimes.com/vie...t-january-2022

    Since this thread is on covid, I won't include polling on other issues.
    The latter poll certainly demonstrates the power of ignorance as it has been shown that For CHILDREN masks have done more harm than good. As Rick noted the number of parents willing to have their children forced to wear masks has been dropping. Likewise, vaccination does nothing to stop or slow the spread of Covid. As we have posted ad nauseum , it only protects the recipient. And the CDC has FINALLY recognized that immunity from prior infection is superior to that created by the vaccine.

    Btw, a similar poll ( by the N.Y. Post ) at the end of December , 2021 found support for both mandates BUT a large segment of the respondents said they would not comply with either mandate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Eagle, you were out of line, period. You responded to an obvious tongue-in-cheek on topic joke with angry bile. Now I will never tell another grown man how to carry himself, but it's often considered a sign of character when a man can admit that he over-reacted and apologize. Just sayin.

    As far as the rest, even if I took those polls at face value, being in the 40% is hardly "fringe" lol. Also, if you limited that school mask poll to parents you'd get a sharply lower support number. Public opinions are also morphing over time as people are becoming much less afraid of COVID and increasingly fed up with government over-reach. If you ran the same polls today you'd probably get very different results. Luckily most of our politicos haven't started legislating based upon fickle public opinion fads - at least not yet.

    As far as those hospital beds, I hear that heart problems stemming from sugary snacks and fast food joints are the next leading cause of hospital visits. Should we pass mandates around those as well? Surprisingly, foreign objects in the body are also an all too common reason for visits to the ER. I wonder how we mandate around that? The point is that many of the beds in many hospitals are full of people who were the cause of their own problems. When we start using that as an excuse to pass behavioral mandates it becomes a very slippery slope.
    I'm still waiting for him to apologize. Not that I'm holding my breath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rickdugan View Post
    Eagle, you were out of line, period. You responded to an obvious tongue-in-cheek on topic joke with angry bile. Now I will never tell another grown man how to carry himself, but it's often considered a sign of character when a man can admit that he over-reacted and apologize. Just sayin.

    As far as the rest, even if I took those polls at face value, being in the 40% is hardly "fringe" lol. Also, if you limited that school mask poll to parents you'd get a sharply lower support number. Public opinions are also morphing over time as people are becoming much less afraid of COVID and increasingly fed up with government over-reach. If you ran the same polls today you'd probably get very different results. Luckily most of our politicos haven't started legislating based upon fickle public opinion fads - at least not yet.

    As far as those hospital beds, I hear that heart problems stemming from sugary snacks and fast food joints are the next leading cause of hospital visits. Should we pass mandates around those as well? Surprisingly, foreign objects in the body are also an all too common reason for visits to the ER. I wonder how we mandate around that? The point is that many of the beds in many hospitals are full of people who were the cause of their own problems. When we start using that as an excuse to pass behavioral mandates it becomes a very slippery slope.
    Most people would find it offensive, not funny, being told their views are in agreement with mass murdering dictators. When RFK Jr. made similar remarks comparing vaccine mandates to nazi Germany, everyone was outraged, including his own wife and sister.

    Heart problems aren't solely caused by sugary snacks and fast food joints, and hospitals were never filled to capacity and turning people away because of patients with heart disease.

    You don't speak for anyone but yourself. Most people do take the threat of covid seriously. It's true there is a certain percentage of people who aren't afraid of covid and aren't willing to take any precautions, and these are the people who are filling up hospitals and are dying in droves. Most people are sensible enough to at least get vaccinated. Over 80% of adults in the US are vaccinated. When I go shopping, most people in the store are wearing masks, even though it's not required.

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    The latter poll certainly demonstrates the power of ignorance as it has been shown that For CHILDREN masks have done more harm than good. As Rick noted the number of parents willing to have their children forced to wear masks has been dropping. Likewise, vaccination does nothing to stop or slow the spread of Covid. As we have posted ad nauseum , it only protects the recipient. And the CDC has FINALLY recognized that immunity from prior infection is superior to that created by the vaccine.

    Btw, a similar poll ( by the N.Y. Post ) at the end of December , 2021 found support for both mandates BUT a large segment of the respondents said they would not comply with either mandate.
    No they have not. You're just saying that because you're opposed to mask mandates. Vaccines have greatly decreased the number of people being hospitalized from covid. Practically all of the people being hospitalized have not been vaccinated. This is especially true for ICU units. I don't know why you keep saying people who had covid have better immunity than people who were vaccinated. Covid has killed approximately 900,000 Americans. Why would anyone want to get immunity by catching covid, rather than getting vaccinated? According to the CDC, people who have had covid before and haven't been vaccinated are twice as likely to get it again as people who have had covid and were vaccinated. There is no reason not to get vaccinated, unless you have a medical condition where getting vaccinated could be harmful.

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