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    There is so much more to this story, but, we will never know it. Will Smith laughed at the joke at first, but, when he saw the expression on his wife's face, it sparked outrage that was either genuine or fake.

    Three scenarios come to mind:

    (1) Jada-centered explanation: Will has witnessed first hand Jada's pain and suffering associated with her hair loss and the insensitivity of the joke just triggered an overwhelming outrage. But, my issue with this explanation is that, if this was the case, Will Smith would not have laughed initially at the joke. And, he would have been triggered right away, without having to look at Jada's reaction.

    (2) Will-centered explanation: Will notices the joke has made his wife upset and feels like he must be her 'white night'. Maybe she has complained in the past about him not sticking up for her. He thinks he will look weak if he does not stick up for her now. He takes action to confirm that he is a bad ass 'protector of his family'. His actions in this scenario are purely ego/narcissism driven.

    (3) Chris Rock-centered explanation: Will has deep-seated resentment due to years of being 'picked on' by Chris Rock. If this is the case, Will should have fought back with some mean jokes about Chris Rock. Isn't Will Smith a comedian in his own right? Couldn't he come up with some good roast jokes against Chris? A roasting feud would have been fun entertainment, instead of the shit show we had.

    My issue with what went down is time and place. If this had happened in a club, restaurant or other place where Will Smith reasonably expected to be left in peace to enjoy an evening with his wife, I would totally be on Will's side. But, the fact that it happened at the Oscars, makes it wrong on so many levels. Everyone knows that there is going to be some serious roasting at the Oscars. It is supposed to humble these 'stars' that are treated like 'gods' amongst mere mortals. Every actors at the Oscars has a bull's eye on their back. If they get roasted, they are supposed to be a good sport and just take it. This shows the world that these stars have a humble side and can be good sports with humor at their expense. Will Smith violated this unwritten rule and: (a) made an ass of himself, (b) broke the golden rule of the 'gods' being humble and good sports at the Oscars, (c) caused shock, confusion and embarrassment to everyone, (d) stole the show from other Oscar-winning actors, and (e) appeared to confirm the worst stereotypes about black people.
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    ^^^I agree that Will was in the wrong but I completely disagree with point E. If him hitting Chris confirmed a negative stereotype I am assuming it's a stereotype that 'black people are more violent,' and a racist stereotype like that is IMO nothing that black people need to be responsible for dealing with or changing. I think it harkens back to what PGD was saying:

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    Also another take that I find unusual are those who have said things like "this is a set back.....this took black folks back a 100 years....not in front of the white folks..."

    What I have to say to that is this if someone who isn't black says this then they didn't think much of us in the first place. And if you ARE black and feels this way you are most likely deeply and catastrophicly have been impacted by white supremacy. That is the key agenda, to make us feel less than and unworthy and also inhuman. Do not fall for that because we are magnificent and worthy of grace even when tested on a public stage.

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    ^^^ I wish I agreed with you.

    But, stereotypes continue to dominate and OPTICS cannot be ignored. If you see a nerdy white kid wearing a trench coat to school when it is not even that cold outside, you will probably take your kid out of school that day. If you see a white Catholic priest taking a young alter boys into a private room, it just doesn't look good. If you are a Russian living in the US (or other Western countries) right now, you are probably going out of your way to make sure everyone knows that you support Ukraine. If you are a rich Italian or Mexican, you probably feel obligated to explain the source of your wealth to people, so they don't assume it is mafia or cartel related. I am not saying this is right, or it is fair, but, stereotypes continue to loom large in the US. We can't ignore them. Each of us should do our best to shatter stereotypes, rather than appear to confirm them.

    Also, I don't think Will Smith would have done to a white person what he did to Chris Rock. Does that make Will Smith a racist?

    He probably believes that white people do not take black-on-black violence as seriously as they would black-on-white violence. Does that make Will Smith a racist?

    Frankly, I believe that if Will Smith had assaulted a white person, his ass would have been arrested immediately. But, when it is black-on-black violence, white people are not sure what to do. They panic and get confused. Their brain goes like this: "Maybe it's a black thing? Should we get involved? Maybe we let the black people here deal with it like it is a family thing? Oh no, how bad will it look if we have a famous black actor escorted out of here by our white cops? Shit, damn! We're going to look like racists and get boycotted again! What if Will Smith resists arrest ends up getting shot by some stupid-ass trigger-happy cop? Shit, damn! There's no good outcome here!!!... Better to be criticized for doing nothing."
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    Default Re: Will Smith attacks Chris Rock at Oscars

    ^interesting

    I also think if Jada really does have him out here feeling emasculated in public

    Him taking his anger out on another man (by slapping him) after joking negatively about his wife is better than slapping his wife who supposedly emasculates him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoveve View Post
    ^^^I agree that Will was in the wrong but I completely disagree with point E. If him hitting Chris confirmed a negative stereotype I am assuming it's a stereotype that 'black people are more violent,' and a racist stereotype like that is IMO nothing that black people need to be responsible for dealing with or changing. I think it harkens back to what PGD was saying:
    I agree. The actions of Will Smith at the Oscars isn't representative of how black people behave, any more than the altercation between Tommy Lee and Kid Rock at the VMAs is representative of how white people behave. The only people who would say it does, were already racists to begin with. Any intelligent person would know that not all black people are going to react the same way in every situation, the same as not all white people are going to react the same in every situation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I am not saying this is right, or it is fair, but, stereotypes continue to loom large in the US. We can't ignore them. Each of us should do our best to shatter stereotypes, rather than appear to confirm them.
    I think we CAN ignore them. Don't you think a better way of shattering them would be people 'ignoring' them/unlearning them/refusing to entertain them? Instead of just accepting them as the status quo and placing the onus on the stereotyped to constantly work around them?

    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    But, stereotypes continue to dominate and OPTICS cannot be ignored. If you see a nerdy white kid wearing a trench coat to school when it is not even that cold outside, you will probably take your kid out of school that day. If you see a white Catholic priest taking a young alter boys into a private room, it just doesn't look good. If you are a Russian living in the US (or other Western countries) right now, you are probably going out of your way to make sure everyone knows that you support Ukraine. If you are a rich Italian or Mexican, you probably feel obligated to explain the source of your wealth to people, so they don't assume it is mafia or cartel related.
    Hmmmm. This is interesting to me because I would be suspicious of a nerdy kid of any race in a trench coat in a school, I would be suspicious of a Catholic priest of any race taking altar boys into a private room, I would not be judgmental of any Russians, automatically assuming that they are pro-Putin, I have no reason to think it's unusual for an Italian or Mexican to be rich and am not sure why you even feel like they would "probably feel obligated" to explain that they're not in the mafia or a drug cartel. Honestly WHO assumes that?? So yeah, I don't think everyone thinks they way that you do.

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    Also, I don't think Will Smith would have done to a white person what he did to Chris Rock. I think he felt safer to do that to a black person. He probably believes that white people do not take black-on-black violence as seriously as they would black-on-white violence. Does that make Will Smith a racist?
    Tbh I feel like he would have been less likely to do it to a white person too, but not because he necessarily felt like there would be less repercussions for hitting a black dude but because he simply felt more comfortable doing it to another black dude. I don't know if Will believes that white people take black-on-black crime less seriously than they do black-on-white crime, but if he does no I would not find that to be racist of him.

    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    I believe that if Will Smith had assaulted a white person, his ass would have been arrested immediately.
    I do not believe this.

    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    But, when it's black-on-black violence, white people are not sure what to do. They panic and get confused. Their brain goes like this: "Maybe it's a black thing? Should we get involved? Should we let the black people resolve it like it's a family thing? Oh no, how bad will it look if we have a famous black actor escorted out of here? Shit, damn! We'll get boycotted again! What if Will Smith resists arrest ends up getting shot by some stupid-ass cop? Shit, damn! There's no good outcome here!!!... Better to be criticized for doing nothing."
    I feel like Will being kind of 'tip-toed' around has more to do with him being such a long-time beloved figure and the fact that it was at the end of the day a very minor assault. He didn't knock teeth out, he didn't pummel him repeatedly, he didn't try to strangle him. I 100% believe that if say it was Chris Brown instead, things would have went very differently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    Also, I don't think Will Smith would have done to a white person what he did to Chris Rock. Does that make Will Smith a racist?
    You edited this, but it reminded me of how Will HAS smacked a white person. The comedian or whatever who was hugging him and kissed him multiple times on a red carpet as part of a gag. Granted the comedian was the one who instigated it and it was a light smack, but I think it illustrates that Will does not have any trepidation or deep-seated fear of being seen acting violently towards white people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cBR...l=HipHollywood

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    Him taking his anger out on another man (by slapping him) after joking negatively about his wife is better than slapping his wife who supposedly emasculates him.
    Ummm, what?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoveve View Post
    Ummm, what?
    um what?

    It’s called Misplaced Anger

    https://www.betterhelp.com/advice/an...splaced-anger/

    If he really was angry at his wife for emasculating him in public, as others have suggested, his problem is with her. He obviously can’t be violent towards his wife and kids so he instead blows up at a man who ‘insults’ her.

    it’s the lesser of the two ‘evils’
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    ^^^Yeah but he co-signs everything she says, endorses her Red Table Talk and has even appeared on it, so he must not be too upset with her. There’s infinite other negative reactions Will could have had to this situation, assuming that one of them would be him ‘slapping Jada’ is very random and……weird.

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    That’s not weird considering the prevalence of domestic violence.

    Whats weird is your constant condescending remarks after everyone one of my posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miss.a.p1600 View Post
    That’s not weird considering the prevalence of domestic violence.

    Whats weird is your constant condescending remars
    No I think what’s weird are your constant misogynistic comments, like randomly saying stuff like how it’s better that Will slapped Chris instead of Jada. ?

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    No I think what’s weird are your constant misogynistic comments, like randomly saying stuff like how it’s better that Will slapped Chris instead of Jada. ?
    If you interpret that as misogynistic you are more than welcome to go back to ignoring my posts.

    It’s weird you feel the constant obsession to correct what I post and your laser focused biased prevents you from comprehending anything I post and automatically jump to your little conclusions.

    It’s also weird you get triggered by everything I post, especially when my posts have nothing to do with you.

    Are you a moderator or the PC police?

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    ^^^I’m not sure why it seems to so personally offend you when you are disagreed with, you are still welcome to respond to my rebuttal and you are also welcome to not post anything that you feel sensitive enough about to where you can’t tolerate any disagreement….on a message board. Also, how has anything I have said have to do with political correctness?

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    You can respectfully disagree I don’t have a problem with that.

    But your slick insults added into your disagreements show more about your inability to offer meaningful conversation.

    You have no clue how I feel so stop trying to make assumptions. If I assumed how you feel I’d assume you have misdirected anger too since you’re constantly replying to my comments with condescension and unable to convey your thoughts in an educated non biased factual manner.

    Not sure what you’re so angry about and what ax you have to grind with me but I haven’t said anything to you directly so you can calm down now because as I said I don’t have any issues with you.

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    ^^^Where is the slick insult?

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    Are you really going to play this game?

    Girl I’m going to bed.

    Troll some other members.

    I rather not waste my time any further.

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    It’s not a game, it’s you literally making false accusations now. Insulted you how? Because I said I found what you said to be random and weird? I did and that was a flat-out statement, not a ‘slick insult.’ Because I said “Ummm, what?” That’s very typical of my writing/speaking style and I’m not sure how that could be perceived as a ‘slick insult’ either. That’s like my version of ‘Hold up—-WHAT??’ So yeah, if you can’t handle being debated on a discussion forum I don’t know what to tell you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoveve View Post
    You edited this, but it reminded me of how Will HAS smacked a white person. The comedian or whatever who was hugging him and kissed him multiple times on a red carpet as part of a gag. Granted the comedian was the one who instigated it and it was a light smack, but I think it illustrates that Will does not have any trepidation or deep-seated fear of being seen acting violently towards white people.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8cBR...l=HipHollywood
    The two incidents are not comparable. The white dude (who is a small time celebrity that many people despise for his offensive antics) was lightly smacked and this did not happen in the middle of the Oscars while the victim was on stage with millions of viewers watching.
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    ^^^It’s still black-on-white ‘violence’ that occurred on a red carpet in front of tons of cameras that he knew the world would see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoveve View Post
    ^^^Yeah but he co-signs everything she says, endorses her Red Table Talk and has even appeared on it, so he must not be too upset with her. There’s infinite other negative reactions Will could have had to this situation, assuming that one of them would be him ‘slapping Jada’ is very random and……weird.
    There is definitely some tension in his feelings about Jada's (consentual) affair.

    Let me explain Miss' point with an example. Suppose a guy, Adam, dates a dancer, Jane, and he really likes her and he is fine with her dancing. But, within a few days his friends start teasing him about it. He is chilling with his friends and one of them, Steve, asks him, "Dude, you let your girl grind on other dudes' junk? Man, I would never put up with that shit from my lady!" Another friend says, "Yo Adam, I'm going to see your girl tonight. I'm bringing lots of cash, bruh. Can't wait for her to rub them titties on my face like she did last time." Another friend asks him, "Yo Adam, does she have sex with guys in the VIP room? I've heard strippers do everything in the VIP room."

    In this example, Adam ends up resenting Jane, even though he had no issue with her dancing. The comments from his peers have been negative and emasculating. Eventually, one more joke is going to push him over the edge Adam is going to blow up at either Jane or the comedian that jokes about Jane's stripper hair.
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    ^^^It’s still black-on-white ‘violence’ that occurred on a red carpet in front of tons of cameras that he knew the world would see.
    If you think it's the same thing, how come hardly no one has talked about it until now? It was not the 'slap heard across the world'.

    I am sure Will has slapped a lot of insignificant little people, black and white. My comment was specific to the situation - Oscars, live on TV, in front of millions, assault on a major star.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    There is definitely some tension in his feelings about Jada's (consentual) affair.

    Let me explain Miss' point with an example. Suppose a guy, Adam, dates a dancer, Jane, and he really likes her and he is fine with her dancing. But, within a few days his friends start teasing him about it. He is chilling with his friends and one of them, Steve, asks him, "Dude, you let your girl grind on other dudes' junk? Man, I would never put up with that shit from my lady!" Another friend says, "Yo Adam, I'm going to see your girl tonight. I'm bringing lots of cash, bruh. Can't wait for her to rub them titties on my face like she did last time." Another friend asks him, "Yo Adam, does she have sex with guys in the VIP room? I've heard strippers do everything in the VIP room."

    In this example, Adam ends up resenting Jane, even though he had no issue with her dancing. The comments from his peers have been negative and emasculating. Eventually, one more joke is going to push him over the edge Adam is going to blow up at either Jane or the comedian that jokes about Jane's stripper hair.
    I said in my initial post in this thread pages back that I felt like Will was resentful of his public emasculation. But if by ‘explaining P’s point’ you’re trying to show me why Will is likely resentful specifically towards Jada, you didn’t.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jack0177057 View Post
    If you think it's the same thing, how come hardly no one has talked about it until now? It was not the 'slap heard across the world'.
    I didn't say it was the same thing, I said:

    Quote Originally Posted by Genoveve View Post
    Granted the comedian was the one who instigated it and it was a light smack
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    I am sure Will has slapped a lot of insignificant little people, black and white. My comment was specific to the situation - Oscars, live on TV, in front of millions, assault on a major star.
    You said that you don't think Will would have done it to a white person because he assumes white people would take 'black-on-white crime' more serious, which implies that Will has a deep-seated fear of 'acting up against white folks' and the repercussions, but him smacking this white media figure on a red carpet in front of tons of cameras and media, especially when he did it after a pause and did it solely to son him, shows he must not be that scared.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Genoveve View Post
    I said in my initial post in this thread pages back that I felt like Will was resentful of his public emasculation. But if by ‘explaining P’s point’ you’re trying to show me why Will is likely resentful specifically towards Jada, you didn’t.
    If people were purely logical beings, it would be impossible for Will to resent Jada, because Will consented to her affair. But, people are not purely logical. Anyway, how do we even know he really 'consented'? Do you really believe Jada would not have had a romantic/sexual relationship with August, unless Will gave his "consent" to it? Give me a break! It was more like an ultimatum. Will had two options: he could consent and make this a story about an open-minded enlightened Will Smith, or, if he did not consent, Jada would have had the affair anyway, and the story would have been about Will Smith being a sad cuckold.

    Even assuming Will did consent, people are emotional beings. The public emasculation may cause him to reconsider or see things in a different light. Moreover, in her interview, Jada said very unflattering things about Will and she said August made her feel alive and happy again. Those words must sting every time the subject is brought up.

    I have no doubt that Will has some resentment against Jada.

    Another possible theory: It just came out that August is going to publish a book about the affair. Surely, Jada had advanced notice of this and shared the information with Will. Could this have played a role? I suspect the book will be a damsel in distress story about Jada stuck in a loveless marriage to Will and how August rescued Jada by making her feel alive and happy again. The book will emasculate Will and leave him desperate to prove his masculinity. Suddenly, he gets the opportunity to 'stand up' for his wife as her protector in front of the whole world. He also gets to make a speech about how love makes you do crazy things. The timing, right before the launch of August's book, could not be more perfect.
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