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    Okay, so yet another rediculous evening has passed, and I'm one big running mascara mess. Tonight was dead! As in, when I walked in all the dancers and staff were huddled by the fire and they told me there were oooh, two customers. I got dressed cuz I saw my favorite regular (he gives the best hugs!).

    We chatted, and even he noticed how dead it was, and got a dance so that "I'd have something to leave with." After he left, the night continued to be like pulling teeth. All told, I think I made $40. So, the breakdown was like this:

    $40 - $10 Sunday special house fee - $10 DJ tipout (who ya know, did something) - $10 tipour to bouncer, who did nothing, but ask the manager if he could leave to get pumpkin pie. Leaving me without about $10.

    So, I nicely as possible ask if he'd be offended by $5, all things considered. He fucking chuckled at me at stood there staring, until I damn near cried, and dug out another five. I tried to reason, he'd been there half my shift, and hadn't watched a single dance for me. To be perfectly honest, most of bouncers leave me to fend for myself. Hmmm, harder to tip more than minimum, when I'm nervous about whether I have a bouncer or not.

    Needless to say, I was pissed and got flat out bitchy. I told him I could walk my own ass out, and stormed over to the DJ booth. Morgan (the DJ) asked if I had made enough to tip him and I said no, "but everyone seems to want it, so here you go" at which point he tried his damnest to give it back. I stormed out the back door and told the bouncer to leave me the fuck alone. He told me to get in my car and drive off, and he'd leave me alone. We basically exchanged fuck yous, and I bailed.

    So there went my evening, and he walked with 25% of it, plus what the other 9 girls gave him, and a fucking paycheck.

    Am I the only one who deals with a club full of assholes? I know there are girls that will try and screw them, but anyone could see that dur, *no one* not even pretty little Presley is making money. I mean really, does it somehow make you more manly to take the girls for all they're worth?

    This one little DJ, who plays me the same crap 4 times a night pulled the same stunt. I left with a dollar courtesy of him. And further he knows there have been instances, where I got home, realized I didn't tip enough, and gave him what I owed him the NEXT DAY!!!

    Am I off base thinking if a night sucks, it oughta suck for everyone? I grew up working in restaurants, and if the servers I expoed for got shitty tips, so did I.

    I used to be okay with tipping my full amount, and chalking it up to better days, but with as dead as it is lately, I really can't afford to do that.

    GRRR! My boyfriend called, and wanted to spend his only day off with me, but oh no, I went and got dressed to work. *sigh*

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    That sucks smurf, hope it gets better. That bouncer sounds like a total dick. Maybe you should look for a different club to dance at. It sounds like the club you are at is not getting enough business.






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    Sounds like the dive I used to work in..We went from nude to having to cover up..(new bs ordinances) no alcohol in the club..no touching and 6 foot ordinance..really screwed us girls..think the town council gave a crap..nope. Anyways..I have read a lot of your posts..YOU have to many problems with this damn club..YOU deserve better than this...YOU are not making enough for what you do hun..Are there other clubs near you?..Would it be worth your traveling a little ways a few days a week to a bigger club?.. these people are treating you girls like dime store hookers..tit's and ass for free almost..Does your club even advertise? Ours didn't and the owner didn't freekin care..in fact she wouldnt even turn the heat on..oh yeah..do I have stories..lol You are getting abused by the guys that work there too looks like they view you as a joke. PLEASE..try and find a different club. Whats the point in being an exotic dancer if you make less than a burger king worker..the thing with these type of clubs is that..there may be one night a week where you might make $125..but the others you make $8..$14.. $34...$17..your self esteem starts to go in the toilet..and it really isnt your fault.

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    While I'm sure there are many problems with this club, I still think that if there is a madatory tip-out, it should be required to pay no matter what you make. If someone really does nothing for you, you always tip them the minimum and it evens out.

    The reason I say this is because it just doesn't seem fair to lower their mandatory tip out since you agreed to it. It's the same as if your paycheck would be lower (at a regular job) because the company made less than they wanted to that pay period.

    While I don't think it's fair that dancers have to supplement their income because the management doesn't want to, that's just the way it is in this industry and we know it. We accept it and work in these conditions anyway because for every shitty night, there is a good night.

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    well at my club if we always tip well or at least make an effort no one gets mad. they know when it's slow. now if a girl (not you) always gives a cheap tip then they get pissed. the dj is mandatory but if you make less then 100 he only gets 5. the bouncer tip is up to us. we have between 4-6 a night so it could get real expensive if we had to give 10. that IMO is a very high mandatory for a club that doesnt seem to have a high earning potential. you do seem to struggle with this club are there no others in your area? sometimes you get comfortable somewhere and the money goes down and you stay... move on if you can.
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    Smurf, what puzzles me about your post is that your favorite regular gave you only one private dance on a totally dead night. What's up with that?
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    Is $10 per DJ and bouncer absolutely required in your club? Can you try to negotiate your way out of the house fee? Where I usually work we can choose how much we give. Also, in the future, when you have great nights, can you tip out more to each head, and then maybe they can be more sympathetic to your cause for future dead nights?

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    Sounds like a crappy night Smurf . I sympathize with you. The only bouncers who do shit in our club are the young new ones. Us dancers joke about how the bouncers who have been there for years, do nothing but sit on their asses, watch the t.v.'s and eat the free nuts. Thank God we don't have to tip the bouncers out at my club!! You know, there were two nights in my entire stripping career that I ever left a club with $5. -and the second night it happened, I quit for good. Holiday is right, it's understandable to have a hundred dollar night every now and then, but to leave with less than you would make at McDonalds really is wrong and insulting. If I were you, I'd honestly be thinking about making a move to another club. You're better than $5. Good luck hun!

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    My mistake; I meant to say that I quit that club for good, not dancing altogether.

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    I think set tipouts suck. It should be a percentage or such of what we make. That way on the good nites, it's good all around, and accordingly on the bad. And yes, I'm sick of crappy bouncers and crappy dj's getting more than they honestly deserve. I'm sorry, but I don't think dj's should ever come out with more money than any dancer at a club. I regret quitting Weasel's, the dj there was fabulous! Worth every penny and then some. I don't think I'll ever see another compare. He actually made me money. I'll miss him.
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    Gotta take the good with the bad..

    While it may hurt to flip the bouncer $10 on a slow night, I'm assuming he's getting the same tenner spot thrown at him for your $500-$900 nights as well.

    If you want to complain about (assuming flat) tipouts in times of slow business, then are you willing to create the reverse case of fractional tipout for GOOD nights as well? Door needs to swing both ways ya know.

    Flat payouts are usually the best thing, period. They hurt more during slow times, but they can reduce the bite on good nights and add incentive since past a point, everything you do is pure profit.

    As far as the bouncer's job, that's a different thing entirely. If he's not doing a good job or being a champion for the dancers, then that's a management issue that should be rectified unrelated to the payout policies.
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    I've seen some of the girls at the club where I work have some pretty crappy nights - and then have some amazing ones, too. If the business is consistently bad where you currently work, a change of club might be a good idea.

    I always feel bad when the girls make less than I do (and I'm paid only a straight hourly wage). Tipping the staff isn't required where I work, though I've gotten tips from the girls while both DJing or serving as Bouncer. I never once bitched about what someone gave me - it's more than I had before. There's been more than once I've turned tips down when I know a girl has had a bad night. The most consistent tipping I get is when I hold a dancer's money for her (so it doesn't get lost or stolen). I usually get $5 for this, though I never ask and don't make it mandatory.

    Polecat is right: if those bouncers aren't doing their job, then management needs to straighten their asses out - or find replacements for them.

    Keep in mind, though, that security work is 99% boredom followed by 1% Oh Shit! followed by another 99% boredom. This fact shouldn't prevent security from being watchful and doing their job, though....

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    Smurf, I think you are having entirely too many crappy nights at this club, and it doesn't seem like there are enough decent or good nights to even it out. If there is ANY other place you can work, you need to move on! Don't get tied to any club. Also, aren't you up north, where it might be feasible for you to try doing some of those upper-midwest club bookings like Tina and a couple others here do? Or drive a little further to a better club? Where are you located? I think you gotta get the hell outta that club!

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    Gotta take the good with the bad..

    While it may hurt to flip the bouncer $10 on a slow night, I'm assuming he's getting the same tenner spot thrown at him for your $500-$900 nights as well.

    If you want to complain about (assuming flat) tipouts in times of slow business, then are you willing to create the reverse case of fractional tipout for GOOD nights as well? Door needs to swing both ways ya know.
    I'm glad you read the part where I said I've gone home, counted my money, and gave the DJ and bouncer more money the next day because I had under tipped them. Who ever said I just gave them ten on a good night? And further, if I ever had a $500-900 night, you can bet your ass I'd be so fucking ecstatic, they'd get more than ten dollars. However, when "Barbies" can't even make over $400, you can bet your ass, us "Skippers" aren't doing that hot either. However, if I make more, I tip more. Then I get to listen to the other girls talking about how they only made $400, and they're broke, so they're just tipping minimum. So somehow, it basically gets taken out on all of us nice girls who do our part. And don't tell me, you can't look around the club and tell who has the money that night, and who doesn't.

    As far as working somewhere else, well, I'm fucked, basically. The club I work at is pretty much the only club in town, save for the rat hole I started in a few miles down the road. That club basically has a bunch of broke ass Budweiser drinking lamers who sit and stare. They don't tip, they don't buy dances. Further, they've gotten rid of the "champagne room" so now dances are completely out in the open. Makes selling them a bitch. Plus one of their bouncers who used to be my friend took advantage of me while I was *passed out* so you can see the general class of that place.

    Now that it's winter, traveling is pretty much a no go. Any direction I want to head has some nasty mountain passes, and my old girl car can't take that anymore. Poor old grey mare just ain't what she used to be.

    I am heading off to Montana for a week, so hopefully that will be the change of pace I desperately need.

    The bad news is that I live in a tourist town, and largely our money comes from golfers and the like. With tourist season over, and the mountain not really bringing people into the club, things are gonna be pretty crappy.

    The good news is, the cattle drive mentality to booking girls is getting better, I hope. It was to the point where pretty much every damn week day night there were oh, 14 girls. So you can see how I have a hard time feeling bad for a bouncer who was guarenteed $140 on a night I could barely make my way out the door. All the girls are slowly making their way back to weekends, thank gawd.

    Oh, I know what you're thinking, why didn't I just work weekends? Because I'm not "allowed" to work weekends because I don't do it for the weekend manager. Of course, I've seen some of the girls who do work weekends, and I'm quite flattered he doesn't like me.

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    Plus one of their bouncers who used to be my friend took advantage of me while I was *passed out* so you can see the general class of that place.

    Oh, I know what you're thinking, why didn't I just work weekends? Because I'm not "allowed" to work weekends because I don't do it for the weekend manager. Of course, I've seen some of the girls who do work weekends, and I'm quite flattered he doesn't like me.
    Smurf..please don't tell me that you got raped by this guy..if he had sex with you..if you were passed out..then that IS rape..most rapes occur by someone you are friends with too!!

    Plus..drinking to end up passed out..is a problem in itself. This job can be very stressful and cause self esteem to be permanently scarred if we let it. Its easy to get a little loopy..I have done it myself sometimes..but can get out of control very quickly.

    And you are NOT ALLOWED to work weekends because you are NOT good enough..F*ck that!! So what..are you a filler girl during the week ..so that the CHOICE girls can work the weekends for better money..A-holes!! We need a plan..your young and single right? No ties? Do you do private shows? Would you? NO sex of course.

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    Let's just face reality that money sucks, and even on them bad nights (like I had tonight), you still gotta tipout... [cry] [cry] [cry] [cry]
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    When I first came onto these forums and read how some of you all think/act twards the djs I was a little shocked. But Im comming to the conclusion that you must not think to highly of them period so they must not be all that good. Every place I worked the girls have never even thought about under tippiong the djs cause we know our job, run the party well, and the girls appreciate us and what we do for them and the club in general. That being said, I've always had a girls asking me"why should I tip the house mom/bouncer...they dont do shit for me" and my answer...."screw em". If you have a bouncer NOT doing his job, whats he gonna do if you dont tip him, not do his job MORE? And if management has a problem with you not taking care of them, tell them they don't do anything for you. Don't worry about losing your job over it, muclehead(actualy 9 times out of 10 there just fat bastards)who just stand around are a dime a dozen, but a good bouncer is hard to find.
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    Its a good idea to always tip out the important people who will help you when you need it, such as the DJ and the manager on the floor. I only occasionally tip the door bouncer, receptionist who takes my house fees, and the house mom.....

    More flies with honey than vinegar....

    Oh, and I've always adored any DJ I've worked with and had great experiences.....a shame that its not always that way. The DJ and dancer should be each other's advocates, not adversaries.
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    When I first came onto these forums and read how some of you all think/act twards the djs I was a little shocked. But Im comming to the conclusion that you must not think to highly of them period so they must not be all that good. Every place I worked the girls have never even thought about under tippiong the djs cause we know our job, run the party well, and the girls appreciate us and what we do for them and the club in general.
    I work in the Philly area too, and you aren't the only one that was shocked to hear of the problems that girls dancing in other places have with DJ's... Philly must be blessed or something. I've never worked with a DJ in this area that wasn't worth every penny and then some. Seeing as I'm one of those girls that can't remember song names and which artist, it never fails to amaze me that I've ALWAYS been able to hum a few notes or recite the two or three words of lyrics to a song that I can remember, and the DJ's not only know exactly what I mean but can tell me the song name, artist, every little bit of folklore and legend behind it, and the best part... they have it! Actually, they're a hell of a lot better at picking songs for me then I am, so I very rarely do that humming thing anymore.

    Smurf, that club is a waste of time for you, so there's really no point in staying there anymore. Consider doing privates or moving or whatever you have to do. Maybe get a job that isn't in this business where you can get paid something decent. Taking your clothes off for that kind of money is just going to make you miserable. I think it already has taken a toll on you... you were always so spunky and fun before! Take care of Smurf first... whatever kind of job that is. You're worth soooooooo much more than what you're getting!

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    -Seeing as I'm one of those girls that can't remember song names and which artist, it never fails to amaze me that I've ALWAYS been able to hum a few notes or recite the two or three words of lyrics to a song that I can remember, and the DJ's not only know exactly what I mean but can tell me the song name, artist, every little bit of folklore and legend behind it, and the best part... they have it!-

    Our paths have more than likely crossed,lol. I think Philadelphia being a "major market", to succeed dj's are just kinda expected to know more is all. And we love the girls who do the whole hum thing, lets us show of and gives us a challenge,lol.
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    I have been fortunate to work with more good DJ's than bad ones. Curious PhillyDJ which club do you spin at? I worked with a DJ from Delilah's awhile back who was a doll ! [dazzled]
    God can't remember his name though :-/ white guy- shaved/bald head, married,they have a small child..... ring any bells ?


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    .....That would have been Christopher..and odds are you know me.
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    Our paths have more than likely crossed,lol. I think Philadelphia being a "major market", to succeed dj's are just kinda expected to know more is all. And we love the girls who do the whole hum thing, lets us show of and gives us a challenge,lol.
    And I'm willing to bet I was never able to stump you either even once! Well of course just for the hell of it sometimes I'd try to come up with something off the wall just to see if they can get it (like name that tune!), and so far I've gotten egg on my face every time. Even that one dude that not only knew Jimmie's Chicken Shack, but had all of their stuff including some obscure cd I never knew existed... BAH! I give up! LOL

    We really must be blessed here. Not only are the DJ's great, but you practically have to force them to take extra over the mandatory tip out at gun point. Unless I've had a real woofing barker of a night I always tip extra, and night after night they always try to refuse. I've actually had arguements with a few DJ's trying to force them to take more.... "Dammit, you'll take this extra tenner if I have to chase you around the bar and cram it down your underwear!" LOL! That underwear line usually settles it... me thinks maybe their panties don't compare well to ours.

    hmmm... maybe our paths have crossed, PhillyDJ... have you got Jimmie's Chicken Shack's obscure "2 for 1 Special" cd?

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    That reall sucks...as a DJ I allways tried to be fair with my tips....I didnt get a paycheck so if the night sucked and we only had a few dancers who made squat...I made squat.

    On the other hand I've had nights were I KNOW girls made 500-600$ and i get a wrinkled $10 from them I have no sympothy from them when they have a bad night.

    I've had many a nights when i've had dancers in my booth crying cause they have to make rent and tip out and are in a tight spot. Its the business!

    good luck to ya

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    I have stated many time's b4 on this forum. If I can't provide an environment that produce's enough money for my ladies to tipout and go home with a reasonable amount of cash then I shouldn't expect the girl's to pay me for basically NOT doing my job. My job is to provide a crowd and if I don't come through then I shouldn't expect to be paid for it. I also think that "smart" staff should use the same practice since they often get more then over compensated when the gravy train is rolling.

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