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    I need help, just found out my club offers extras such as blow jobs, don't know what to do cuz I cant do extras and the house expects it!!!!

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    Ambilyn, if the house gives you a hard time for not doing extras I'd go somewhere else. Is that an option?

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    Not really I am working at the only 21 and under club around my area

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    You really dont need to be there! Dont follow the crowd Ambilyn! You'll just get sucked up in the wrong business. Sooner or later your club is going to get busted. Hopefully you aren't one of the young ladies who get rounded up...Think twice







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    Well I absolutely cannot do extras cuz that is cheating on my husband in huge amounts, so I cant follow the crowd or rightly saying I wont, I just know how to deal with the crap I know I will make less money though

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    There are always options, dear. Where do you live and how long have you been dancing? Do you know for a fact that the other clubs check ID? Lot's don't, especially if your hot.

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    If your workplace requires things that are against your morals or sense of propriety, work somewhere else. If there's no other place to dance, don't dance. There's other jobs. Life's too short to compromise yourself.

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    I'm with Jason. You also need to think about the fact that when that club gets raided (and if they're openly encouraging extras, they WILL get raided, matter of time) the vice guys don't give a rat's ass if you were actually offering the services or not. They will haul you in and charge you with all the others. That is fact. Happens all the time. Then imagine how hard it will be to convince a judge that you weren't engaging in the same activities as 'everyone else' who got caught. Then imagine how your hubby will feel when he has to bail you out of jail on a prostitution charge, whether or not you were doing it, he will be hard to console.

    Believe me sweetie, whatever money you're making at that sleezehole isn't worth it. There are loads of other things you can do, maybe for less money, but how much is your reputation and marriage worth?

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    Amen to everything said here. You definitely don't want to risk getting caught up in a raid and getting charged with and/or convicted of prostituion. It makes it a lot harder to get a job outside the club scene, a "real" job. Most of them do background checks these days. And some of the better clubs also do these checks. Some of the better high-end clubs won't hire a dancer who's been "caught" prostituting because it draws negative attention from law enforment to their club.
    I agree with everyone else. Get out now before that club gets raided. It's not worth it.

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    Could you possibly travel a little longer distance away from where you are? What state do you live in? Do you think you could maybe hook up with a club that you could come in 3 days a week or so? If dancing is lucrative for you..it might be worth the schedule change in your other job and the travel. There are sooo many clubs in the nation. I hope this little sh*t hole isn't the only one you can choose..that would suck. Your smart not to do extras..a dancer can still make cash without them.

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    I need help, just found out my club offers extras such as blow jobs, don't know what to do cuz I cant do extras and the house expects it!!!!
    Woah, hold up! The house expects it?!? [eek]

    That is one f*cked up club! What is it, a whorehouse in disguise? Is your boss a pimp or something?

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    Yeah that sounds like a pretty bad operation. What's with the house EXPECTING you to do extras. No thank you. I can tell you that I absolutely would find another club. Don't even put yourself in the position of getting ARRESTED for PROSTITUTION. There is no why out of a scenario like that. Good luck! I'm sure you;ll make the right choice. Where the hell are you anyway???

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    I am in Oregon, and the crappy thing is, is that this is my second job, I figured if I was going to work 12-16 hours a day I may as well make a little money at one of my jobs. I wasn't expecting this though. Definately gotta think about this one, the only thing is, is can a club still get raided if they make the girls go to the cars with customers, no extras offered in the club, just out in the parking lot like it was the girl's idea

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    Honey, if they're doing it to the point of having the girls go to customers' cars, you REALLY REALLY REALLY need to get out of there quick. That is horrible! Very unsafe! You mentioned earlier that is the only club in town where girls under 21 can work, so in light of that, they are clearly taking advantage of the situation to 'force' these young girls without much choice for dancing to perform services they may not otherwise engage in. Get OUT of there! And yes, they can still get raided - in the club or in the parking lot, it's still prostitution, still illegal, and still linked to / encouraged by the club. Those guys are really asking for trouble. They may not get raided often, because I'd bet anything they are paying off alot of officials, but just wait, it'll happen - once in a while the authorities have to at least do a token raid to appease the voting public (who no doubt is aware of the bad rep that club surely has). And guess what? 99% of the time a club gets raided, ONLY the girls wind up getting arrested, charged, fined, etc. Club owners and management get nothing but a temporary slowdown in business due to the negative publicity.

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    Who told you that BJs are offered at your club? Was it a customer, dancers, or management? I can't give reasonable advice without first knowing that.

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    OMG besides the thought of getting areesed, being pimped out and cheating. Goiing to the car????????? Hell you could get killed , raped , abducted. I would fly outa ther so fast they would think a storm just went through . This is not an option . You are so young and it so not worth any of that. You are a human being and make your own decisions not the boss. Like i tell my daughter Make good choices today haha no really that's BS

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    Not to beat a dead horse, but get out of there girl! Your club sounds like a ticking time bomb waiting to explode, and with that kind of reputation its just a matter of time before the authorities intervene.

    Do consider that should you get nailed in a raid (just for being on the premises!) that it could ruin future opportunities of working in much more respectable (and better money making) establishments once you turn 21, particularly in a jurisdiction where a dancer's license is required, not to mention the damage it can do to prospective future mainstream employment when they see a prostitution arrest on your record.
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    Catfish is exactly right in regard to the potential negative fallout of this situation. It's really unfortunate these days that quite a few clubowners are feeling no qualms about "cashing in" on the additional club business and additional 'cut' of private dances which are provided by dancers willing to do extras. When club business is down to the point where bankruptcy is a serious concern, clubowners get desparate just like everybody else.

    The real irony is that the clubowners legally risk next to nothing by ignoring or even encouraging extras. If the club is busted the clubowner and staff will probably not be charged since they weren't the ones providing the extras. Even if the clubowner IS charged, there are options for him to have the charges dropped (more on this later). It will be the DANCERS who wind up being charged most likely with prostitution, which is both a misdemeanor and a 'sex crime'. And I have to agree from personal experience that if a club is busted that the local cops will very likely not make an effort to positively determine which dancers are providing extras versus which dancers are not ... the most probable scenario is that the cops will simply charge all of the dancers and let the judge sort them out.

    Of course a dancer merely being CHARGED with prostitution can result in a denial of a dancer's license in areas that require them, can result in straight job applications being thrown directly in the garbage can etc. It is not necessary that you actually be found guilty to have bad things happen! As long as the charge itself appears on your permanent record, which will be checked by potential straight job employers, upscale no contact clubs, dancers' licensing authorities etc., it can be held against you.

    It's also very probable that when you finally do get your day in court you'll be found guilty anyhow no matter what you actually did or didn't do in the club. Thanks to the Hollywood stereotype, most 'normal' people consider dancers to be drug-addicted, theiving whores until proven otherwise. Unless your club has video surveillance tapes which can show that you were not in contact with any club customer at any time (which is virtually impossible), the trial usually boils down to a jury of housewives, civil servants, retirees etc. listening to you say you didn't do it and then listening to a fine upstanding local police officer saying you did (even though the officer may be lying through his teeth) - you can't prove that the officer is lying or that you are innocent because it's his word against yours, and guess which one of you the jury is most likely to believe !

    If you are busted, it'll typically cost you $500 cash bail plus another $1000 in legal fees whether or not you are found innocent or guilty. If you are found guilty, it can additionally cost you anything between a $500 fine and several days in the county lockup, depending on how hard you fight for your innocence (the more you fight the more severe the penalties will be) and how much of a hardass the local cops, D.A. and judges are (you do get your bail money back eventually either way though).

    Therefore keep in mind that if you continue to work at this club, at the very least you need to keep $1500 in cash handy for bail plus hiring your own attorney, to avoid being forced to spend the weekend in jail if you're busted on a saturday night and the club chooses not to pay your bail.

    Also, if you are busted, definitely think twice before allowing the club's attorney to represent you for free and before allowing the club to pay your fine. There is no such thing as a free lunch, and it is not unheard of for a club's attorney to agree to a plea bargain for the dancers (which costs the dancers nothing and gets them released immediately but leaves the prostitution charge and a conviction of something on their permanent records to affect them for the rest of their lives) in exchange for all charges against the club itself being dropped. However, lots of dancers will agree with this plea bargain deal without thinking of the far-reaching future consequences, because they simply have not saved up enough of their own money to pay for their own bail and attorney's fees and they don't want to go to jail.

    Clubowners love this situation (dancers accepting the club's offer of free legal services and having their bail and fine paid), since they know that with a prostitution charge still on their records that most dancers can't get hired for a decent straight job or even for another dancing job at an upscale club, leaving these dancers at this clubowner's mercy in regard to rules, 'cuts' of private dances, schedules etc. - because dancing at this club is very likely the only decent paying job these dancers can still find.

    Even more significant, a dancer with one prostitution charge on her record really has nothing more to lose legally speaking (or in regard to potential straight job employers or upscale no contact clubs, who won't hire her with one charge on her record) by getting MORE prostitution charges at a later date. This usually leads to that dancer succumbing to performing extras in the future as her only means to earn decent money. This basically becomes a revolving door, with dancers being busted a couple of times per year and the fines and attorney's fees becoming just one more business expense. However, any financially rewarding future for these girls besides continuing to work in high contact clubs is pretty much permanently out of the picture for the rest of their lives. Also, if the city they live in votes a dancer's licensing ordinance into effect next year, they won't be able to get one and they'll be permanently out of dancing unless they move to a different city (where again they will probably only be able to get hired in high contact clubs due to the charge on their record).

    To truly beat a prostitution charge to the point where you are found innocent on appeal and the charge is expunged from your permanent record so that future straight employers and upscale no contact clubs and dancer's licensing officials will not be aware it ever happened, can very well cost $2,500-$5,000 in attorney's fees and court costs. It actually cost me quite a bit more than this, but it happened in a state 1000 miles from home. Local judges can be pretty harsh with out-of-state girls, because absolutely nobody local is going to complain if the judge makes an example of an out-of-state dancer (you can imagine that "Big Bust Bust" makes a great local headline in an election year). And no I wasn't doing anything wrong myself but a couple of girls in the club WERE giving excess contact to undercover cops. These two girls were found guilty and sentenced to 12 days in the county lockup. Even though I finally came away from this incident with a clear record, I figure that it cost me somewhere around $10,000 between the attorney's fees, the extra trip back to this distant city for my appeal, and lost earnings while I was in court instead of working. I think that the local cops and judge knew I was innocent right from the beginning, but the entire point of the club bust was to drum up headlines during a heated Mayor's election campaign and they needed someone with a big bust for the "Big Bust Bust" pictures to make the front page of the local newspaper.

    Peculiar about news coverage isn't it - the bad news shows up on the front page, but they never publish the fact that you were later found innocent of all charges. Which leads to another point of significance to local dancers - if you are busted your family, neighbors and friends will very probably see your real name and address published in the local newspaper in conjunction with the story about the club bust since this info immediately becomes a matter of public record as soon as charges are filed by the police. Thanks to the Hollywood stereotype, they will all probably be very ready to believe that you are actually guilty of what the newspaper story says you were charged with! And remember that the bad newspaper publicity is going to happen regardless of whether the charges against you are thrown out of court the very next day, whether you accept a plea bargain, whether you plead innocent, and/or whether you are actually found innocent on appeal and your permanent record is expunged.

    But remember that if you agree to a plea bargain after you are initially charged in order to avoid spending time in jail and avoid spending any of your own money, you CANNOT appeal your innocence or petition to have your record expunged in the future, no matter how much money you may have to spend on attorney's fees later on. Plea bargains are a cast in stone deal - once you sign it all further litigation is closed forever.

    I don't mean to scare you, but these are the actual risks you are taking by continuing to work at this club! Unless you plan on making a career out of providing extras, get the hell out of there before you are busted!

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    a dancer that has moved on from the club told me

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    Sorry, but as we used to say in the news business... not a real good source.
    You need to observe yourself what is going on, and talk to some current dancers... if you trust them and they give you the straight scoop. They may not talk with you until you've been around a bit longer.

    With one questionable source, you need at least two more good sources or
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    I can't believe that management in the 21st centruty would be dumb enought to say they
    expected extras, even if they do. So obviously you won't hear it from management.

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    Additonal. Have you personally observed dancers going to customers cars
    either while working or after working with the parking lot on club property?

    If you see dancers yourself going to customers cars this is quite unusual (and stupid) for a club management to allow. I guess this would qualify as prima facie evidence for me
    of extras and qualify as a final second source.

    A club allowing dancers to go into customers cars is either about to be raided or closed down.
    Even if the lcoal sheriff is on the take, the State Justice department or on occasion the feds
    will show up eventually and close it down, probably because a club this stupid probably has drug deals and other bad management going on inside it.

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    As an under-21 aspiring dancer in your area, ambilyn, I am very interested to know which club you are working at where the house expects extras (!!!) so I can avoid it when I decide to go out auditioning. If you feel uncomfortable posting such information on the public forum, please PM me. It will be very appreciated!

    By the way -- if you are from Portland (and I think you are, correct me if I'm wrong), there are TONS more juice bars in the area!!! Off the top of my head, City Limits, Jiggle's, and Club Vegas (formerly Webb's Pub), just to name a few... find you a better club, sweetheart.

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    ambilyn i'm not gonna tell you what to do because you already know ..i agree with most of the ladies you don't wanna be in that club if the get busted even if you are not doing anything once you are there the cops are gonna consider you as a participant ...believe it or not....so do what you feel....know is best
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    What would your club do to you if you didn't do extras? Would they gin some excuse up to fire you? If they do then it's best that you leave to avoid the hassle and negative status.
    If they tolerate you, then you don't have to do anything just because the other girls are. Do what you feel like and don't let the peer pressure get to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambilyn
    I need help, just found out my club offers extras such as blow jobs, don't know what to do cuz I cant do extras and the house expects it!!!!

    all clubs do that
    its not new,
    but dont fret
    the management will not make you partake if you dont want to
    many dancers do
    because they can make a good 60-500 tip
    keep in mind some dont just do blow jobs
    some go all the way,
    and some go all the way for a lot of money
    for the most part dancers that are barely legal.
    being barely legal myself lol
    i dont mind paying that 600 for the beautiful 18 year old lol
    I am a pervert clearly because I go to strip clubs
    and i go for the extras
    but i highly
    respect you for not stooping to that level
    and you will make tons of money anyway
    with out selling your self.

    if your managment even brings up the extras
    they will be shut down soon enough.

    cheers
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