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    My roommate and I had an argument today about stripping. He said that strippers are greedy and tacky. However, he hasn't been to any stripclubs lately but he was a patron on several occasions when he's out with the boys. I told him that I would have more respect for him if he never went to stripclubs and bought dances, I told him he was a hypocrite. He told me that my comments were null and void because he doesn't know those girls, it's only entertainment, but he know s me. Isn't he such a hypocrite! He won't let me stay with him if he finds out that I am dancing.

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    Your room mate sounds like a complete moron. Obviously we go to work to earn money just like any other person in any other line of work. Yes, dancers may appear to be greedy and tacky to those who don't know how strip clubs operate. As you know we work on 100% commission and most clubs charge a flat fee and extort money from dancers in the form of mandatory tip outs regardless of our potential and/or actual earnings. What your roomate mistakenly calls greedy and tacky behavior is what those in the know refer to for what it really is; fear and desparation of women who are completely ignored by labor law enforement agencies.
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    Now, I wouldn't call it fear and desparation, personally, but one does need to consider operating expenses. When you are a window cleaner, for instance, you need to consider phone, supplies, rent, advertisement, gas, transit time, etc. For us, well, we have stage fees and other operating expenses (makeup, costumes, hotels, beauty appointments,traveling expenses, fines, tip-outs, cell phone bills, business licenses, etc.) that are comenserate with any other independent operator.

    He sounds like a clueless hypocrite to me. Besides... the guys who give you money are paying for entertainment. Why does his (your roomate's) *knowing* you make a difference? Isn't it precisely the same thing?

    It sounds like he can justify his own experiences by thinking of these girls in a "less than" equation. Your home should be a peaceful escape!

    Since you are a dancer you should (hopefully.. extenuating circumstances notwithstanding) at least be in the situation where you can gather together a few ducets and find yourself a more nurturing environment in a relatively short period of time.

    My heart and good vibes go out to you! You at least are the sensual goddess that others come to worship, not the hypocritical jerk who needs a clue.

    If you are trapped with him, throw Camille Paglia's "Vamps and Tramps" or "Sexual Personae" at him.
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    Are you dating my ex ???? He likes SC's, But Pamela can't do her thing, that makes me bad! Bul shit! and so was the relationship.

    I told him he needs to take a long look in the mirror!


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    your room mate is full of "it" ....and yes i think he sonds like a hypocrite
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    Anyone that likes to generalize people into nice, neat, wide-reaching categories is being foolish.

    From this guy's perspective-
    stripper = greedy and tacky, no exceptions.

    It's not only stereotyping, but it's incorrect and prejudice.

    It only takes a few years of life experience to quickly realize that you just cant stick "people" into nice little blanket buckets. It takes all kinds to make up the whole, and diversity is prevalent in all industries, communities and groups... strippers included. Sure, if you set out to find a greedy and tacky stripper, you surely could and use this to justify such an opinion. But you could also set out to find the exact opposite with equal success.

    I hope for his sake that this guy is young. We all have a tendency to be a bit narrow-minded and hard headed earlier in life, but we usually outgrow it as our misconceptions are shattered when people "surprise" us.

    In the meantime, I'd keep your dancing career under wraps until this guy hopefully grows up.
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    Sorry to disagree with you but I do agree with your roomate. Contrary to any stereotype , there are strippers who are greedy and tacky. Despite your failure to acknowledge any of them , he may know of some. What is the hypocrisy here? Just because he may go among them does that mean he is confirming that they don't exist? He has the right to formulate his opinion on those he encounters and that is not hypocrisy. He also has the right not to see you if it is against his principles to do so.

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    Saying that there ARE strippers who are tacky and greedy is one thing - meaning that yes they are out there and do exist. Saying that strippers ARE tacky and greedy - thus implying that ALL strippers fit that stereotype is another. Secondly, potentially losing her residence over someone's ill-conceived stereotype is really out there. Does her personality, integrity and rent payment history become null and void just because she is a stripper?

    The hypocrite part comes from the roomate's participation in the culture but disallowing that a hypothetical woman also has the right to participate in that culture while still maintaining her class and integrity because of his own bias.

    It sounds to me, actually, that this roomate needs to diminish the character of the women who strip in order to allow himself to interact with them in a sexually provocative way. Thus *all* strippers must fit into this sub-category of feminine failings in order for it to be *ok* for them to strip and for him to be *ok* with his own response to them in that capacity.

    The assumption that the roomate could have intelligently made is that the strippers that he interacted with were greedy and tacky and he does indeed have the right to come to that conclusion.

    This isn't about him having the right not to see Blackbeauty, who is his roomate, not his girlfriend. She *lives* there and it is her home. She risks losing this because of his hypocrisy and stereotyping if he finds out that she is indeed a dancer.
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    He said ALL STRIPPERS ARE GREEDY AND TACKY NOT SOME SWEETY! His reason for saying strippers are greedy is because he says there are other ways to make money besides taking off your clothes. HE thinks strippers lack good morals. However, he is the same motherf*cker paying for the entertainment and enjoying it. He told me that he could care less about strippers he doesn't know in the club b/c they are not his friends, but for me it's a big deal. We were together almost two years ago. I went away for school and came back in August to a chaotic and very disfunctional homelife with my parents. I started dancing so that I could get money for my own place. The friend was so disgusted, that's the word he used, by me dancing that he offered to let me stay with him rent free until Jan. It's been pure hell and I'm thinking about dancing again but I don't know if it is worth it considering no one's making any money in Chicago from what I hear.



    Sorry to disagree with you but I do agree with your roomate. Contrary to any stereotype , there are strippers who are greedy and tacky. Despite your failure to acknowledge any of them , he may know of some. What is the hypocrisy here? Just because he may go among them does that mean he is confirming that they don't exist? He has the right to formulate his opinion on those he encounters and that is not hypocrisy. He also has the right not to see you if it is against his principles to do so.

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    Saying that there ARE strippers who are tacky and greedy is one thing - meaning that yes they are out there and do exist. Saying that strippers ARE tacky and greedy - thus implying that ALL strippers fit that stereotype is another.
    It was not a stereotype ,it was a generality because he said to her he didn't classify her likewise because he knew her. Thus he acknowledged that all strippers are not the same.

    Secondly, potentially losing her residence over someone's ill-conceived stereotype is really out there. Does her personality, integrity and rent payment history become null and void just because she is a stripper?
    That is the unfortunate results of any stereotype. You can be refused residence for any number of stereotypes, whether it be your political affiliations, your social status, your music tastes. None may have anything to do with your qualifications as a tenant. Being that this person has to live with the person he admits gives him the right to select those he feels compatible with.

    The hypocrite part comes from the roomate's participation in the culture but disallowing that a hypothetical woman also has the right to participate in that culture while still maintaining her class and integrity because of his own bias.
    Could you explain this a little clearer? How is he disallowing a hypothetical woman also has the right to participate in that culture?
    I thought that hypocrisy meant you condemn people of behaviors that you yourself conduct. If he's calling a certain group of people greedy and tacky does that mean he himself is greedy and tacky? What are the indications that he is?

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    Semantics argument ended. We are dealing with a real person in a real situation that needs help, advice and support. Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't doing any of that and I refuse to acknowlege it further. Apparently we are both getting over a cold and have too much time on our hands.



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    Arguing for the sake of arguing isn't doing any of that and I refuse to acknowlege it further.
    Seems to a pattern with that guy

    Anyway back to the topic:

    Beauty- you don't need people in your life who are so hypocritically judgmental. I suggest you part ways and seek out friends and partners who are capable of unconditionally loving you. I am sending warm thought of strength and courage your way.
    Take care!

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    Black, you've just confirmed it. He knew you are a dancer and although disgusted , thought you different from the rest. Therefore , he is not stereotyping. It is a generality.
    He is not a hypocrite. Let's say company "A" has a monopoly on product "X". Company A is greedy and tacky. Because I have to go to company A for product X does not make me greedy and tacky. It just makes me dependent.
    He is letting you live at your residence as a gesture of good will. He does not have to. You don't seem compatible to him anyway. I'd suggest you leave on your own accord when possible.

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