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    Patriot Act used in Vegas strip club corruption

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...tionprobe.html
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    Patriot Act used in Vegas strip club corruption

    http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...tionprobe.html
    I wonder how all the "patriotic" idiots that supported this "Patriot Act" will defend this.

    Oh... it's just a strip club, so it doesn't matter

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    I'm quite sure all the 'patriots' who supported that 'act' are all for abusing it in this way. I can't wait to see this administration out. And they claimed Clinton was nasty.

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    This is an issue that concerns everyone...perhaps it is me but I SWORE we fought some war back in 1776 that prevented illegal search and seizure? hmmm...we(me) all need to see how to rid our nation of such radically backward thinking, and laws that back that 'thinking' process up! Starts out with those things that the general public deems "bad", and before you know it, we're living in constant fear of government spies...I could SWEAR there's a book on this too...1984? yup, 1984!

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    Starts out with those things that the general public deems "bad", and before you know it, we're living in constant fear of government spies...I could SWEAR there's a book on this too...1984? yup, 1984!
    I've always told people that George Orwell would be right about an impending big brother police state in this country. He just missed the date by about 20 years.

    How ironic that at the same time we're liberating Iraq and Afghanistan from oppressive dictatorships, that we're turning our own country into one.
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    Gilardi,is an idiot,he owns three clubs here in tampa and dozens more all over the country,myrtle bch,atlanta,ohio,vegas,ect,he has been suspected of laundering money and ties to the mob for ever.

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    Personally, I'd use "liberating" loosely...more like corporate takeover...management change...etc. One thing they missed though, you shouldn't "buy" businesses or countries you don't understand.

    As for the topic...it's hard to say who's right. He's playing the game with what he has...they're playing the game with what they have.

    As long as we don't take responsibility and stand up for what's right, those looking to control will do what it takes to keep power. Most complain that their lives are too busy to keep up...well simplify the system if it's too complex. Our system was designed to be "take-over-able" by the people.

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    this news tidbit also sets some dangerous precedents which might not be immediately apparent ...

    #1 - Due to the discovery of "payola" by clubowners to convince city councilmen to vote no on an anti-dance club ordinance being made public, many other city councilmen in other cities will now be very reluctant to do the same. This greatly increases the odds that other cities will successfully introduce anti-dance club ordinances, since the clubowner's most effective tool to fight these ordinances (i.e. buying city council votes) has now been taken away.

    #2 - When clubowners are served with a subpoena for financial records, you can be certain that ALL club financial records will be looked at. This may very well include end of the night payments made by the club to dancers for their share of private dances and Champagne Room trips. You can also be certain that this sort of info will be shared with the IRS.

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    Personally, I'd use "liberating" loosely...more like corporate takeover...management change...etc. One thing they missed though, you shouldn't "buy" businesses or countries you don't understand.
    Yeah, I probably shold have used a couple quotation marks there. Or perhaps referred to the countries in question collectively as "Halliburtonstan".
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    This is an issue that concerns everyone...perhaps it is me but I SWORE we fought some war back in 1776 that prevented illegal search and seizure?
    The article says that warrants were issued. That means that the search was LEGAL, a judge found there to be probable cause.

    hmmm...we(me) all need to see how to rid our nation of such radically backward thinking, and laws that back that 'thinking' process up! Starts out with those things that the general public deems "bad", and before you know it, we're living in constant fear of government spies...I could SWEAR there's a book on this too...1984? yup, 1984!
    The guy was allegedly bribing public officials and laundering money. This is OK by you?

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    For the record I think the Patriot Act is a bad law and beleive it should be repealed ASAP.

    Comments in the press about the ACT are, however, wildly innacurate. The search would have been entirely legal even before the Patriot Act. The press is just too damn lazy to do any research and jumps on the first "good story". Ever heard of the RICO statute? Remember when Monica and Bill were being investigated. The bookstore she frequented was under a court order to provide similar info. A spouse can get the same info on the other spouse in a hotly contested divorce proceding if they can convince the judge of its relevance.

    Other claims about the Patriot Act are also innacurate such as the FBI can snoop at what books you buy at the bookstore because of TPA. They could before with a court order. What tpa did was change the courts which could grant such orders to include a court which is new. This is in no way illegal under the constitution which says Congress has the right to determine jurisdictions except in circumstances designated in the constitution, like disagreements between states which is the province of the Supreme court and such special masters as it designates.

    The Patriot Act was a rush to legislate in the aftermath of a terrible event. It is bad law, but at least 99% legal under the constitution. The major thing that is different is that law enforcement has the go ahead to do things they never would have gotten away with politically before and they are taking full advantage of that fact. TPA on;y makes it easier to do bad things.

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    I have no idea what you guys are talking about. [bong] lol JK.. ok I'm really not joking...
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    My biggest concern in regard to the Patriot Act as applying to dance clubs is that it has lowered the "probable cause" standard required for warrants to be issued such that any law enforcement agency who has an axe to grind with a strip club can easily meet the standard on one pretext or another. One big example which comes to mind is simply the presence of Eastern European dancers. The Patriot Act also links together investigations of persons with investigations of finances - which can potentially lead to club personal and financial information about all dancers finding its way into the hands of the IRS.

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    All I know is that I do miss dancing at Jaguars on a regular basis. They are nicer to their employees than most strip clubs. All of the press has been really bad for business. They always have those stupid news trucks parked next to the club. I was lucky enough to find another club which also treats their dancers fairly. I haven't made as much money there yet as I did at Jaguars.
    I am interested in seeing what effect this will have on the way strip clubs are run though. There is a lot of room for improvement. If the IRS and Department of Labor are forced to take a serious look at house fees etc..., it could have a positive effect on the industry in the long run. The club that I have been working in lately charges 15% of dances actually sold. I think that is very fair.
    Lets face it, there are some terrible things that happen in the world of strip clubs that most people don't know about. When Melonie mentioned presence of so many eastern block women it made me think of another post on this site about "agency girls".
    You can check out the factbook section on the website for the Coalition Against Trafficking in Women for more information about what these poor women have to deal with. It's very sad. http://www.catwinternational.org/fb/
    Last but not least, I do think that our government is becoming a corporate dictatorship. Just today, when I was watching the TV show Cops, they showed people who were getting their cars seized/stolen by the government for buying $20 worth of pot. I think that is so unacceptable. It makes me want to become a lawyer for drug dealers and doers. And I don't even like drugs myself. "The Prison Song" by System of Down does a great job of describing how ridiculous our government has become.
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    If the IRS and Department of Labor are forced to take a serious look at house fees etc..., it could have a positive effect on the industry in the long run.
    Well yes, if you consider several clubs being shut down and quite possibly hundreds of dancers looking for a new club to work at as positive. I'm sure while the IRS and DOL are taking a serious look at those house fees, they might want to brownnose some other things as well. Do you actually think those $20 million megaclubs like Jaguars were built with legitimately acquired funds?

    I see that Mr. Galardi has been actively trying to selling his clubs in LV.

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    Like Bridgette, I can't wait 'til George W. gets voted the hell out of the office that he didn't get elected into in the first place. (not by the people outside of the electoral college anyways)


    as much as Dubya and his admin of thugs are wanted out by the people, until we can deal with the fraudulent electronic voting system, it ain't likely... nor would it be likely to have fair elections at the local level.

    check out:
    1. http://www.blackboxvoting.org
    2. http://www.blackboxvoting.com (activism arm of the .org site)
    3. http://www.equalccw.com/dieboldtestnotes.html (for a step by step guide on how you, too, can easily steal an election... no technical skill required)

    i've never been in any way a conspiracy theorist, but this horrific stuff scared the pants right off me... check this stuff out and your toes seriously won't ever uncurl again.

    incidently, this is a good part of the reason why i've rarely been to this forum anymore. i've become somewhat of a closet BBV activist... in the closet is probably how Diebold hasn't sent me a cease and desist order yet - but there's always tomorrow. (pardon me while i slip back under the camoflauge netting ).


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    I've read up on how Diebold software works and it is a serious joke - honestly anyone who has taken an office software class can change votes. If you can use Microsoft's Access you can "hack" the system (this is something some high-schooler's are taught).

    And it's not that the technology doesn't exist...it just hasn't been implemented - I can only assume it's because Diebold doesn't think votes require security or they don't want security built into the system.

    I design systems - I know software and understand most of the latest system/software technology. It is fully possible for each of us to be given a keycode and track our votes.

    Each one of us could log-on on Nov. 5th and verify that our votes were correctly recorded and that the results were proper. Even though we could see our results - it is still possible (using system similar to how private/public key systems work) that the vote would not be linked to you (so your vote remains anonymous).

    To create the best system, a firm (preferably a standard developing firm like the IEEE) should be hired to design it and build a prototype. From there the code should be released to the public programming community to hack and improve. After a few years of being in the public's hands and perfected, the system could be implemented to simply track votes and see how well it performs compared to our existing system. Several firms with the power to monitor each other should be hired to fully implement the system at this point. While a test system would be kept public for bug testing and security testing. That would be a secure system. I'm sure I've left some things out, but hey, I'm just some college kid whose spent 10 min. thinking on the topic.

    More interesting is why hasn't some technical government team started work on a system like this? Why haven't our representatives pushed for research on a system like this? Food for thought...
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    Pryce, the easy way to defeat any system is by letting fraudulent "voters" vote in the first place. Dead people won't check that their ballots were counted accurately and don't need to. I have voted in 20 or so elections, in numerous places for the first time, and have never been questioned about my identity, never shown my driver's license or anything else demonstrating who I was. I grew up with puchcard ballots and figure they are safer than the machines we used were I live now since there is a hard copy which can be checked. Eliminating a paper ballot destoys a chain of evidence which can be cross checked against both the number of ballots which were supposed to be cast. Go back to paper ballots and make the networks wait for the answer the next day. And make absentee ballots be signed by notaries who witness the sealing of the envelope and mail it themselves.

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    Don't get me wrong, I think there should be a paper trail in addition to the digital system. I also think the system would help prevent voting by invalid voters as keys wouldn't be issued to those that don't exist or are dead. To vote you'd simply enter your key (using a public/private system would allow the key to verfiy you in one direction - you to your vote, but not your vote to you). Votes could be required to come from certain locations only (polling places) and you could have it designed to only allow one key entry per person entering a booth. That should make entering non-existent voters very difficult.

    Of course I don't have every situation worked out and there are 1000's of weak points - but public evaluation should expose and solve most of them.

    Systems CAN be more secure than most of us think...think about the systems banks use everyday. They have to be very careful not to allow entry...simply moving a "." is the difference between $1 and $1,000,000. Not only that but the system can also expose more information about votes and make that information more available to public evaluation without opening itself up to exploitation.

    Keys could be checked to see that they were actually entered at their designated polling place (confirmed by the computers stated location - the location of the other keys - and finally by a GPS unit - again...just brainstorming). Registered voters and the number of votes recieved per polling place could also be evaluated to make sure nothing is strange. The voting times could be evaluated to make sure that votes were entered at a reasonable pace and that 300 weren't uploaded at once. All of this could be available in near real-time to all of us online. I'm sure all districts would be monitored not only by government authorities, but by the public and the media. I would assume any funny business would be easier to catch this way. Etc, etc...these are just some of the things possible...
    We all imagine ourselves the agents of our destiny, capable of determining our own fate. But have we truly any choice in when we rise, or when we fall, or does a force larger than ourselves bid us our direction. Is it evolution that takes us by the hand, does Science point our way, or is it God who intervenes keeping us safe.

    So much struggle for meaning, for purpose. And in the end, we find it only in each other. Our shared experience of the fantastic. And the mundane. The simple human need to find a kindred, to connect. And to know in our hearts... that we are not alone.
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    Zofia... let's see here..i used to issue warrants...they are for probable cause--AKA: "the possibility exists". Secondly, you wrote it..'alleged'...you could be an alleged money launderer yourself! What i am trying to state, short and sweet, is that make one "undesirable" guy a target, use this new "patriot" Act...and like Melonie has stated, will open up a can of worms for the rest of us.
    Obtaining a warrant is nothing...any fool (in law enforcement) can request, and if a judge agrees (for whatever reason) can get a warrant. I KNOW this, because i worked in the courts here in Indy for several years!

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    Pryce, I know this is just people carrying on a conversation but how does the 80 year old person with an iq of 75, bad hearing aids, Cataracts, glaucoma, high blood pressure, bad legs, a short temper, and an inalienable right to vote enter this key? Any system has to be designed to work for them too. The last time I renewed by driver's license I failed the vision part of the test because the examiner was in a major hurry (quota and long line) and the system was designed to be wheelchair friendly and was therefore low. As a result, I being 6 foot 3 had to bend over so far that my glasses were slipping off my nose and were not in a correct position. Instant failure--next!!!! Fortunately I had gotten new glasses 3 months before so the eye doctor could swear I was 20-20 corrected. After a quick check to make sure nothing had changed.

    From my perspective the simpler route is low tech with an absolute audit trail and an agressive system of making sure the voter roles only contain valid voters. Motor voter means the front door is unlocked and the knob is in the hands of civil servants paid sqwat and caring sqwat and controlled by political hacks who were the governor's supporters in the last election.

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    Actually the Patriot Act will most likely be used as the means of obtaining a first warrant, since it involves the lowest standard of "probable cause" for obtaining that warrant (a suspicion that eastern european dancers were working without proper visas would be all that is required to obtain a warrant for the club's personnel and financial records). Then once the club's records are available for scrutiny, any number of different charges could be levelled after the fact - including RICO statute violations which carry hefty jail terms.

    My real point of concern is that the Patriot Act provisions make a club's personnel and financial info a virtual open book to any government agency with an axe to grind - then once those books are opened that information can be used for lots of purposes both against the club and against those that work at the club. Consider for a minute that any club which collects a portion of each dancer's private dance money or champagne room trips has in fact collected records of how many times each dancer has performed private dances and how many times each dancer has been taken to the champagne room. It would be an extremely simple matter for the IRS to piece together past earnings histories of individual dancers based on these club private dance records, and come looking for back taxes from these dancers (despite the fact that the club never issued 1099's or W2's).

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    How many clubs do the Galardi's own anyway ? I can think of lots that are described as Galardi Clubs ???

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    Melonie,most clubs dont keep track of the amount of dances girls do and if they did,unless they are paid employes,noone would know who they were,ie,stage names,I have worked in clubs that did keep teack of the funny money you cash in though,it goes directly to the i.r.s. and is considered,miscelleneous money,on the tax form.

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    Obtaining a warrant is nothing...any fool (in law enforcement) can request, and if a judge agrees (for whatever reason) can get a warrant. I KNOW this, because i worked in the courts here in Indy for several years!
    Then you have a problem with the constitutional standard for probable cause, not with the Patriot Act.

    Given that I know a couple of Deputy Prosecutors pretty well, and a few cops very well, I think it's safe to say that the Judges in Indy don't give out warrants for "whatever reason". Instead, they seem to set an unreasonably high standard for granting a warrant.

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