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    hi everyone...
    i do not speed and was not speeding...
    i was wearing a seatbelt...
    i have a Clean record...
    i was not under the influence of drugs or alcohol...
    i was just driving home from work...
    my car is insured... i couldn't find the card...
    and i was not allowed to look for it...
    i recieved 5 tickets...

    1. driving while suspended (which i didn't know about, and recently discovered was for being late paying a parking ticket :( )
    2. failure to turn over suspended license
    3. no proof of insurance/registration cards
    4. obstruction of view (hello kitty air freshener on rearview mirror)
    5. driving without insurance (i do have insurance)

    i hope no one got me wrong... i am not bitching about all cops... sorry i was venting... ;)... and i was wrong for driving while suspended even though i didn't know about it i guess... but b/c i am a dancer doesn't mean i should be treated like a criminal.... i'll let everyone know how it goes...
    thanks for your opinions and support ;)

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    I work with cops sometimes.

    I know good cops, the type who help out people in trouble, who are patient with mean people, who are forgiving of minor transgressions.

    I also know bad cops, the badge-heavy types, who take their authority to the limit, who harass decent people for no good reason, who exaggerate charges and then lie to the judge, and who are just damn mean. It's those kinds of cops that give us such good reason to put all these limits on police authority.

    In my younger days, I used to side with the cop's version almost every time. Now I know better. And it's not because of personal experience, because I've never been arrested for anything more than minor traffic violations that I deserved. No, it's from observation.

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    Heidi, in my town in NJ, you would get 30 days of community service. And I am not joking. He nailed you on all legit things. Granted, when you go to court, as long as you have a good attorney, a couple of them may get dropped with a plea deal.

    As far as these other dancers telling you to go to internal affairs and what not, you will not get anywhere, so do not do it. Just take care of this business, and move on. My fatherly advice of the day!

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    Change into regular clothe before you leave work. Of those five tickets are you challenging any of them? How many of them stuck?
    About the officers behavior, you have to consider the area that you're in. Usually S.C.s are put in the dark side of town. The part frequented by drug pushers , prostitutes, etc. Anyone in that area is under suspicion. The trick is don't be conspicuous.
    During a parade my friend was flirting with a female officer on duty. He tried slipping his hand around her waist. She immediately backed away and said, "That's not funny! Don't touch me there!" What she meant is she sensed him reaching for her gun. Being that 50% of the cops are shot with their own gun naturally she appeared paranoid. If 50% of you got shot with your gun, so would you.
    Not saying this is your case but should shed some light on their position. Good luck contesting the tickets.

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    Yep, I had a similar experience a little while ago, except that he couldn't find anything to arrest me for. But that didn't stop him from grabbing me (leaving bruises!), playing with his gun, threatening me, saying repeatedly that I was lying because "strippers are liars," and following me out of town. And Chuck, I was perfectly polite (even while being manhandled) and I drive a family type van with no illicit bumper stickers or anything and out of state plates.

    I elected not to do anything about it, but if it happens again I probably will.

    I found out at work the next week that over half of the girls have their liscence suspended for DUI's, and that they tend to be very rude to cops (things like "officer, I'm a nice girl, so I'm gonna bend over and ask you real nicely.... kiss this"), so I guess I can understand how if a cop was fucked up to begin with he might have an attitude about strippers.

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    one girl from my club got stopped, she doesnt drink or do drugs. they gave her roadside sobriety test, said her eyes were big, so she must be on cocaine and searched her car. detained her for over an hour and then not finding anything at all let her go with a bogus ticket. i've decidced if i'm ever stopped to NOT say where i'm coming from. just a sports bar across the street, or a friends house better yet.
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    Not to minimize the situation you're discussing, but a little perspective seems to be in order. You're talking about a local yokel traffic cop and charges which are "violations". Over the years I've had dozens of such incidents. Sometimes you can make some headway with the local yokel judge when you get "your day in court", sometimes your lawyer can make a deal. But sometimes you simply must accept the fact that dancers are considered to belong to an "underclass" of "undesireable" citizens who are treated by the local law as being "guilty until proven innocent" - so you pay your fines and go on with life. I would have to agree with those posters who point out that complaining about poor treatment by members of the legal system will do absolutely no good, and has the potential of doing yourself a dis-service by raising police consciousness of the fact that you are a dancer at Club X.

    Back to the point about perspective. Many dancers will find themselves subject to similar treatment by cops and judges, but with much more serious "misdemeanor" charges involved. I had an occasion where vice cops bogusly busted a club and tried to take away every dancer on the stage at the time on prostitution charges (based on supposedly excessive contact with EACH OTHER while customers were tipping stageside). This went from bad to worse. First, the undercover cops tried to handcuff me and arrest me in the nude - and I had to plead to be allowed to put some clothes back on before the ride downtown. Next we got paraded in front of every cop in the station receiving rude and presumptive comments from every one of them. Next we got to spend the night in the holding tank along with every other "criminal" busted that night (not allowed to smoke and fed a baloney sandwich and kool-aid). Finally after the sun came up we finally got an arraignment before a local judge where bail was set at $500 each (which fortunately I had - a couple of the other girls did not and wound up being transferred to the county lockup until friends could raise their bail in cash). I won't go into much detail in regard to what it took to beat these bogus charges in court, other than to say it involved several grand in legal fees and buying round trip plane tickets back to this city out of my own pocket. The REAL motivation for this bust really didn't involve the club or the dancers at all but some illegal action the clubowner was involved in. He avoided the heat by skipping the country, and us girls wound up as the only remaining 'targets'.

    Closer to home, I've also had State Police Criminal Investigators show up at my house. It seems that some guy who bought a private dance from me at a local club (who I had never seen before and who I didn't know from a hole in the ground) was somehow involved in a drug related murder. These Investigators presumed that, according to the "dancer stereotype", I did know this guy, that I was seeing him outside of the club, and that I was also somehow involved in either the drugs or the murder. After two hours of hard-nosed questioning I finally got these goons to begin to understand that I'm an intelligent, respectable, responsible person and that dancing is just a job - that I didn't know this customer from Adam and that I couldn't give them any info whatsoever. However, a week later they barged into my house again with the brilliant plan that I could avoid catching any fallout from the drugs/murder case if I would agree to be an undercover "ear" for them and feed them information I observed at the club. Yeah, right, if some club customers are supposedly involved in serious crime and have already supposedly shot my one time customer, doing this would be perfectly safe for me because I'll be under police protection ... This one required me to call in a "favor" with a local judge to get the weekly home visits from the State Police to stop!

    I guess my point is that, these days at least, when a girl becomes a dancer she's entering an unofficial "underclass" of persons which also seems to include parolees, black teenagers, people of middle-eastern origin etc. who are assumed to be "guilty until proven innocent". You are essentially powerless to change this, and any "stink" that you raise attempting to do so may very well backfire on you and your club.

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    that's a very good point Melonie... i wouldn't want police to start harrassing at my club...it's bad enough with the ABC....

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    That incident that happened to Heidi is soo scary!! :o I've been lucky enough to have never experienced anything like that. A cop that would stop by our club became infatuated with me and was pretty scary to deal with because after work he'd turn on his lights behind me to get me to pull over so he could "chat with me" or take me out to eat after my shift. I almost turned him in and now I wish I would've but nothing bad ever came out of it. I told my manager what had happened and I never saw that pig again!
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    Is the comment that bad? Yes I understand he is the police and should be professional, but he's a man... what do you expect? Hell you deal with rude guys for a living; you should just let those comments roll off your back.
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    BS. I find that comment totally offensive. If a guy is rude at work, we can just walk away. If an officer of the law is totally out of line, we have to sit there and be quiet. Just because someone happens to be a dancer should not automatically make her vulnerable to these type of people.
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    I find that comment totally offensive. If a guy is rude at work, we can just walk away. If an officer of the law is totally out of line, we have to sit there and be quiet. Just because someone happens to be a dancer should not automatically make her vulnerable to these type of people.
    Well, a dancer has just as much of a right to complain about such treatment as any other girl on the street, in legal terms at least. But what an average girl on the street has, but a dancer doesn't have, is "credibility". Thanks to the "Hollywood Stereotype" and a few clubs and dancers whose high profile busts receive widespread media coverage, your average judge and jury is very ready to believe that any dancer making complaints against law enforcement officers should be given the same 'credibility" as an ex-convict making the same complaint - i.e. assuming that the dancer probably has an axe to grind with the cop she complained about due to her "supposedly illegal activities".

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    Rule #1 Report that "shaking of your ass" comment to internal affairs, as that was inappropriate.

    Nothing may be done about your case, but this guy if he's an a-hole, may do this to someone else, once the department finds a pattern to this behavior- the cop will get to go bye, bye-- Welcome to the realm of private security.

    Trust me there is nothing more that good cops hate the most--than a gutless little weasel. They are more than happy to see them go.

    Welcome the world of stripping, if you do illegal activities, hang around people that do illegal activitys, or have dated/are dating people who have done illegal acvtivity's, hang at a place known for illegal activitys, or are in an area known for them.

    Get used to being pulled over by the police, and being considered guilty until proven otherwise.

    When getting pulled over, never take it personally with the cop, be polite, never show anger, and take the ticket if your given one.-- argue it in court, not with the officer.

    Remember, cop's view thier job as a daily grind after a while the more routine/boring you make the traffic stop, the more likely you'll leave with one minor ticket, or none. Become an a-hole get noticed and turn your traffic stop from routine in to personal argument with the cop, expect a life time of misery with maximum charges all the time from him, and his friends every time they see you.

    My friend's sister used to say the cops pulled her over for no reason all the time.

    Well, she's now been in rehab after 2 years because the last time she got pulled over "for no reason" She got caught with Crystal that her and her B/F were trafficing. She was facing serious "possesion with intent to distribute" state and federal charges with serious prison time. Her B/F of course dissappeared once on bond.

    If it wasn't for the fact that she got a good attorney,she' be in a womens prison; instead of rehab.

    After being sober, she considers the night she got caught as the best thing that ever happened to her in her life.

    As a postscript to this story- she found out from an aquantence that she used to run with; that her ex was doing buisness in another state got pulled over with his new GF and started a shoot out with the police. He of course lived with a minor shot in the arm, his new GF is discovering the joy's of being disabled for life after being shot seriously.

    Take heed in this story.

    BTW

    Thanks to an ex roomates choice in GF's. I also get to experiance being pulled over and having my car tossed by the police. It's not fun, but life goes on.

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    Heidi, I'm an attorney in NJ, if you need some help dealing with the tickets let me know.

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    Ticket for a hello kitty airfreshner? I'm going out on a limb here. This guy is a huge ass. Good luck with the tickets, and I hope you never have to see the cop again-unless it's at a time and place he's being held responsible for his behaviour.

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    Heidi I'm sorry to hear what happened to you. Sounds like he wrote you up for every imaginable offense. Not to minimize your bad experience but I have a positive story to share. And of all the departments in the PD it's about vice.

    They came into the club a month or 2 ago. One of our girls was flirting with one. Big time. He watched her stage set. Tipped her a $20. He was on duty too. Haven't seen him since.


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    [q]Is the comment that bad? Yes I understand he is the police and should be professional, but he's a man... what do you expect? Hell you deal with rude guys for a living; you should just let those comments roll off your back. [/q]

    WHAT??? That's the one of the most disrespectful and distasteful, tacky asinine comment I've heard on this board yet!! How dare you defend what the cop said as "he's a man"? There is no excuse for anyone to treat a stripper that way or talk to a stripper that way. Of COURSE he should be reported! His comment was just out of line...and completely unacceptable. It constitues sexual harrassment. What she should do is file a complaint and HE should chalk it up to a lesson learned...

    As for dealing with rude customers all of the time...I don't let the comments roll off my back. If they say something rude or ignorant to me, they'll get it right back. Just because I am a stripper (or any of us for that matter) does not mean that it is acceptable to talk to/treat me in any way that is offensive or disrespectful. Is this the advice you would give to someone who isn't a stripper?

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    It really sucks to be profiled by cops for any reason. I was deathly afraid of cops for a long time because I was regularly harrassed as a young teenager for dressing like a punk (pre-Nirvana making it the norm in the 'burbs ). The weird flipside of that, is that I've been pulled over 3 times after work since I started dancing, totally drunk, and got away with it. Not something I'm proud of, but whew...... ers:
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    I just act really confident with them and their chill. Like when I go into 711 and their all staring at me. I'm like what? I dont do drugs or drive home drunk so I try to be confident on my way home and obey all the laws while driving. They just get used to seeing me and dont bother me any more..
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    I've never had a problem with the police, I was actually let out of a ticket because I mentioned I was on the way home from work(Horrible I know but it worked).
    It's wrong the way you were treated. People have a lot of misconceptions about dancers (prostitutes, alcoholics, addicts...you all know I could go on and on). There are girls at my club who are having trouble getting custody of their kids because they are dancers. You should really notify someone of what happened to you because if it happened to you it is happening to other dancers in your area. Maybe if enough educated girls complain they can diminish the bad rep dancres have.
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    Go to the court date Heidi. If you really have insurance I am betting you can make those tickets go away. He already got his productivity points. The other thing that helps a TON is if you have any friends that are police that can reach out to the officer and ask for some courtesy. Sometimes bringing an attorney just makes the police not want to budge. At this point the goal is to lower the total amount of fines.

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    I'm a Sergeant with our department and it really p'ed me off that another "badge" went ticket nazi on you. If that department uses in car cameras get legal help and let him/her get a copy of that tape. If everything you wrote was accurate it could lead to a law suit for the comments made if it was recorded on tape.
    The insurance ticket will probably get dismissed in court if you show you had it when you got stopped. Also, make sure you tell all of your friends to take anything hanging from the mirror down. It's called driving with obstructed view and you can be stopped and cited for it. That way it takes another reason away from a$$hole badges that work in that to pull you or your friends over.

    To Hiedi and everybody that had similar incidents I truely apologize because of a few rotten apples we all share the negative light.

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    Hey, I forgot to share:

    I read an article in the newspaper quite awhile back and It was on a book called "how to get out of a ticket" or something like that. I don't remember too much of the article except a couple key points. This is what I do when I get pulled over (ok I admit I've gotten 2 speeding tickets but one was from the stupid radar plane and the other was from a trooper and I was doing 25-30 over the limit luckily he wrote me up going 15 over):

    When you get pulled over, the most important thing is to keep both hands on your steering wheel.

    Don't rummage through your glovebox trying to get your paperwork ready before the cop gets to your window. They're pretty skittish especially if you're digging through a glovebox or your purse for all they know you could be going for a gun.

    That's really all I remember except to add that I'm a major kiss ass when I get pulled over. I smile and use "sir" or "ma'am" alot. I apologize for
    a)driving too fast
    b)making that illegal u turn
    c)no sir, I only had 2 margaritas and that was 3 hours ago
    or whatever else the reason for me getting pulled over.

    I talked my way out of a DUI (and I was under 21) by keeping my hands on the steering wheel, smiling, apologizing for my excessive speed and kissing ass.

    Heidi, I don't mean to insinuate that you were anything less than nice, I'm only sharing what I've learned by getting pulled over waaaaaay too many times!


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    OMG what an asshole!! first of all he has no right to degrade you like that. i got pulled over in jersy on the way home form work at 4 am a few weeks ago and he said I had a suspended license and no registration. I had no idea!!! He just said look please promise you will go straight home and take care of it first thing tomorrow which I did .He let me go!! Your cop was sooooooo gay. what a homo!!!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrissy link=board=1;threadid=302;start=msg57374#msg57374 date=1071914074
    Your cop was sooooooo gay. what a homo!!!!!!!
    Was that even necessary. I found that comment to be very immature, and disrespectful. You may see nothing wrong with saying it, but I do. It was very offensive.







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    ( MONTYTHEGREEK) has given excelent adivce...cops are scared shitless of ( internall-affairs) they basically police the cops....internall-affairs can ruin a cops reputaion/carrier/retirement/penttion in a heart beat.........most cops when they hear internal-affairs get weak knees.........file a formal complaint with them & lie if you have to,,,hell we all know cops lie to bust us.....so screw them all!!!!!!!

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