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    I must apologize ahead of time for venting but I really need to. This has definitely been one of those frustrating awful weeks where no matter what you do, every shift represents the impossibility of making decent cash. I mean, this is just horrible. And of course, it is rent week. Does it ever feel like when you don't need the money, you tend to make good cash, but when you really need it, you fall wayyyy beneath the minumum you need to make? :-/ Anyhow, I was curious as to know how you girls deal with it when customers take the best seats in the house, watch your ENTIRE show, and don't tip a DOLLAR? Not only is this rude but I also find it downright IGNORANT and ball-sy as hell. Nothing pisses me off faster than this. I am sure I am not alone in this sentiment. Typically if this does happen, I can usually distract myself with a good tipping customer whose sitting on the other side of the stage, or thinking about the dance I might have waiting for me after the set. But last night...UGH. I lost my cool. I went up onstage after a very young, introverted dancer got offstage and gave me they eyeroll (as we all know, a dancer giving the eyeroll as she comes offstage is a clear indication of how the customers sucked up there). I had overheard other dancers commenting on the cheapness of the customers for the past hour. But I thought that maybe they'd warm up to me? Nope. I smiled, joked with them but halfway through my set I realized that from a full stage (about 20 people) I made made about $4. Stage sets at my club usually range from $20-$50. for three songs. I have worked at other clubs where customers not tipping is common, but this happens rarely at this club I've found. We do a lot of floorwork and though there is no contact, we get pretty close to customers. Anyway, halfway through my set I looked around and realized that there were no more tips up, and I'm completely naked. When the "we're not gonna tip" bullshit does happen, it's usually a customer or two who arent tipping tip, but this was the 7/8's of the entire stage! When it's just a couple of guys, it doesnt rent any space in my head, but the whole stage??? It was like all of a sudden, not tipping the dancer had become the new rage. I tried to joke around with them and encourage them to tip. I told them coyly "No Tipping, No Stripping guys" and still there is no cash going up. Not even from a group of guys who had brought in a girl. Usually the female customers have some sense and will urge others to tip. This little snot just looked at my cluelessly. I swear this crowd had the energy and intelligence of a bunch of amoebas. I didnt know if they were just major jerks or stupid or broke, or the delightful combo of all three???? I dance around by myself for a bit, thinking they would tip shortly, but 2 min later I was still stark naked, and no one was tipping. Not even a buck. Not from 20 people watching. Yet all of these morons have taken up the best seats and theyre watching my every move. I once read a post here where someone claimed it was "tacky" to put your clothes back on during your set. The majority of dancers at my club have a different take. It's like this; when we're up there exposed as one could possibly be, and the crowd doesnt have the decency to part with a few bucks, any thoughts about "tackiness" just goes right out the window. We get dressed. When the cheapskates come to the profound realization that strip clubs arent FUN without dancers taking off their clothes, it "occurs" to them that tipping might be the decent thing to do. And the clothes come back off. Needless to say, halfway through my last song, I got dressed. I couldnt wait to get away from the assholes. As I was stepping offstage, I picked up my four bucks as every eye in the place gawked as I bent over. I walked right over to the most offensive group, 6 guys and a girl all who didnt tip one solitary buck, I said "I wanted to take a minute out just to THANK YOU all for being so generous. That was really decent of you. Thanks." I walked over to the next dancer waiting to go onstage and gestured to the watching eyes, and loudly told her that they were rude and cheap. What made me even angrier is that the dj is standing right next to us and immediately tries to hush me and says, "Oh be quiet. They just didnt like YOU." That made me even angrier (this particular dj called another dancer who was 100lbs "fat ass" and I am not fat but very curvy and I weigh 115lbs so I know he makes fun of me behind my back too for not being his stick-dancer ideal). I know he was insinuating, so I told him that 2 waif-dancers went up prior to me and that they didnt tip her either. Screw him for trying to make me feel like it was my body and that I deserved it. I hate him inside just thinking of that right now. Sorry. Anway, I know that I lost my cool and risked looking like a bigger bitch than if I had just played Meek Little Stripper and sucked it up and said nothing. F*ck that. Maybe by being a bitch I helped the next girl going up, who had kids to support. She did report to us later that the cheapskates had finally spared a few dollars. We help each other out a lot like that. I feel there should be some sort of comeraderie between dancers, and that when customers are intentionally being jerks, that pointing their behavior out to them, might spare the next dancer the grief. Maybe next time, you'll be the girl who the customers are decrent for, after a previous dancer helped you out by telling the jerks off. Basically, none of us expect to make a killing everytime we go onstage. We even expect that we wont be every guy out there's "type," hence minimal tip from that customer. But is it too much to expect for a stageside sitting customer to tip a buck or two for 15 min of watching you entirely naked??? How do you girls deal with this? Do you say anything to the customers when they feel like it's kosher to just sit there and gawk while we work our naked asses off for free? Does anybody have any stories about non-tipping customers and comments you've made or things you did? Between the losers last night, what the dj said to me, and just the general lack of cash flow this week I am dreading these next two nights at work.

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    why are my paragraphs coming out like that???

    Admin note: make sure you hit "Enter" to make a new paragraph - don't use spaces because then it formats it as spaces.

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    As far as your paragraphs go, I always "preview" my post to make sure it looks like I want it too. That might help. The little white box that we type in is a different size than the box it ends up in.

    We have all been there, and it sucks! Just remember, its not you, its the crowd that has the intelligence of amoebas (that really made me laugh BTW).

    Our stages are circular and when I'm ready to collect, I start with one guy and go clockwise. If there is a guy with no money out, I dance for him a little bit and chat a little anyway, then hold out the side of my thong. Either he has to tip or give me some lame excuse why he wouldn't. It works, but I can see it not working as well when no one is tipping. That's when you have to grin and bear it (okay, no grinning) and wait for those long songs to be over. Doesn't it seem like the songs are longer when no ones tipping? I liked how you embarrassed the group of guys with one girl. LOL!

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    Ha ha! I think we were secretly working together last night! Gawh! I had one helluva night too, and it went something like that. Fortunately, this kindly quasi-regualr bought me lotsa creamy drinks and gave me some *real* conversion. His only dancer related question was how my job affected my life, which was chill. I told him it didn't, BTW, but that my life affected the job!!!

    Anyway, we had this pair of guys who thought they were beyond tipping. I figured since they were frat boy types, that they just didn't dig me. Well, Faith gets up there, and this woman is, mmmmm. She looks like Christina Applegate only hotter. Perfect tits (hers) and just exudes sex. Well these guys wouldn't tip her either!!! Finally she pulled her best move ever. She walked over to them, and said "God, you guys must be really broke, here you go," and gave them each a couple bucks!!!

    Lessee, what other fun did I have last night. A guy had a whole whopping dollar in his mouth and since we can't do that stuff, and he just really struck me as a jackass, I reached down and swatted it outta his mouth. Then he was trying to put tips in the straps of my shoes. Finally I had it. Knelt down, grabbed his wrists and pinned um to the tip rail, leaned in and told him that I'd bust his teeth in. Later in the night, he was sticking dollars to his face. Hmmm, they don't learn do they.

    I really grew some balls last night!!! I was on backstage, and these two guys were sitting there, but facing each other, totally ignoring me. I was furious. I asked another dancer near my stage what to do. I didn't wanna storm off and get in trouble, so I put my clothes on, and laid on the tip rail to appease management. When I got off, I walked over to them and said "Ya know, if you want to ignore a girl, there are a whole lot less insulting place to do it than at her stage!!!" Poor Mondi, our DJ was trying to smack them down before I could. Ooops!!!

    Everyone needs a tantrum, occasionally. I figure though, if anyone is tipping, you're kind of stuck. Hell, park it and chat with the guys who are tipping. I like having a friend at my stage now and again. She'll tip me, and make a half joking crack that maybe if the guys did the same, I'd dance for them too. Yeah, it's hard not to be tacky, but damnit, it's insulting. Would they work without a paycheck? :-/

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    You are sooo not alone! One time, this group of young guys and a girl come in and line the catwalk part of the stage. Now, they *were* tipping and I gave them each their little dance, attention jokes, etc and moved on down the line leaving dollars on the stage (pushed away from the customers) as is our general custom. So the last song ends and lo and behold this girl is grabbing my dollars off the catwalk! She had the gaul to say when confronted that she thought she could just keep recycling them for the next girls!!!!! WTF??? Like it is some ritual aspect of stripping culture that you give money only as a metaphorical token? She had to basically extend her entire body up and onto the stage to acomplish this task, mind you. Geez, just spare me the trauma and light a candle in front of my picture next time!

    I would say it was a good line to steal in her mind or something but, apparently she'd done this to the last couple girls as well and they ignored it as too much trouble to deal with.

    As for when no one is tipping at the rail, I'll concentrate on dancing for the guys in the club who are watching but not at the rail (ignoring the non-tippers actually at the rail). I don't know. There are a lot of shy guys in the club and I just try to put on a good show for them regardless in the hopes of selling dances.

    This is the ideal, sometimes it just bums me out. But it happens to us all
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    these two guys were sitting there, but facing each other, totally ignoring me. I was furious. I asked another dancer near my stage what to do. I didn't wanna storm off and get in trouble, so I put my clothes on, and laid on the tip rail to appease management. When I got off, I walked over to them and said "Ya know, if you want to ignore a girl, there are a whole lot less insulting place to do it than at her stage!!!"

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    In my days when my attitude wasn't so good and I fronted a band, I took out the front row with my microphone stand for this very offense. It somehow made me feel better and everyone paid attention after that! That is sooo rude!

    Good for you to have said that to them. Jerks.
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    Hi Kaiyla, nice to hear from you again. Not reading what you write however. We had management who would watch these guys after they sat some time with out tipping. Kinda made them feel uncomfortable, so they would either throw a few $$ or leave.

    South Florida was not a problem, i would move away from certain guys as far as i could to the other side of the stage, kinda hinting "you wont see me too close bud."

    It happens, and it sucks! But yea move away from the perv.seating if you can. Focus more on the ones who are tipping. Make the other guys feel left out, and cheap. They will either leave, or move closer to where you are on stage. Great!!! Then say "awww you moved down here so i can do a performance just for you." Kinda bend over and whisper the words. If all else fails. Forget them. Focus one your tippers. This is something i think we all have dealt with at one time or another.( Modify modify...my spelling sucks)!

    Lotsa luck sweetie!
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    Tobi, Veronika, Smurf, Pamela, thanks for your input on this. For some reason reading your stories (and remedies ) makes me feel better. I really liked the "God, you guys must be so broke" tactic. I'm all over that next time!

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    Forgot one thing; Veronika it's a good thing that bytch who was stealing back your tips was not at my stage. She would have caught a beer spilt onto her pretty lil shoes "by accident"

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    This is how I look at it.

    You have two choices. You can be offended and upset, or you can focus on turning them into good customers.

    I try to never let customers affect my mood. If they aren't bringing offerings of money, I can worship myself just fine without them :-)

    Usually if no one's tipping I'll wait till the DJ announces the last song and everyone get up there she's gonna get naked thing, and I'll kinda smile and be cute and say "i don't think anyone wants to see my pussy" (which of course no one can hear) and he'll say "i think they want to see it... come on guys, who wants to see? get your dollars out" etc, and we'll just play back and forth. He knows that if he helps me out like that I'll split the stage money with him.

    Or I just ignore them and dance for myself on the pole and in the mirror... count it as practice.

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    I dont take my clothes off untill i see a decet amount of money.. if they arent tipping me.. i just go about my business as if they werent even there.. ad start to practis my moves on stage.. usually they take the hint and start to tip me

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    My club was topless, and in the area I live in there are a lot of clubs, but its not big city, you know what I mean??? So there really is no major $$$ to made out here, so Im one of the few with breast implants. So if they were not tipping, the top stayed on! It usually worked

    There was this one girl who would get sooooo mad if no one was at her tip row, or was not tipping, she would literally stomp her feet and throw a temper tantrum. It was interesting.

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    If I get one cheapo at the rail and the other customers are tipping, I ignore the non tipper and concentrate on the other guys.

    If there are too many guys at the rail not tipping, then I turn it into a big joke. I point at the money on my hip and say, "well, since you don't seem very interested in my show, I'm going to watch the game on TV." (The place I work at shows sports on TV). I then flop belly down on the stage, not moving and just do that. I might not make any extra money, but it sure is funny to watch their reaction (plus it puts a smile on my face). And since I'm lying on my belly (this place is only topless) they can't see shit!

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    Wow, I think a bunch of us work at the same club! I once had a packed stage, and end of second song, not even one dollar! A guy came up with a fat wad of ones and a look of admiration on his face, we all know the "look" and asked one of the cheapeis if he could have his seat for a minute, and the cheapie said no. So the guy went back to the bar, and after my set I went up and thanked him for trying, and he took good care of me. If there are a few bucks, I will dance for the tipper, have fun then jokingly say loud enough for the stage to hear " Kinda tough crowd here, don't cha think?" and smile. The guy will usually agree or nod his head, and sometimes that gets the money going, as I firmly belive guys don't care what a dancer thinks of them, but what a fellow male ego thinks is a different thing entirly!

    Another aspect is the talent of the DJ. Is he just spinning tunes, or is he PAYING ATTENTION to how the money is flowing? Makes all the differnce in the world if the DJ is helping.
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    No our DJ never helps. He's too concentrated on where he's going to get more drugs from. He likes making innuendos to stupid cartoons in between sets though. Then he tells me "they didnt like YOU," which obviously shows he was not paying attention to the stage at all since the same losers blatantly refused to tip three girls prior to me as well. Our other dj's are nothing like this, thank God. But the sucky DJ has the audacity to wonder why his tipout is minimal? he doesnt DO anything!

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    So there really is no major $$$ to made out here, so Im one of the few with breast implants. So if they were not tipping, the top stayed on! It usually worked
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    Amaya, 4' 10" right, cute as hell I already know, and now you are telling me you have implants too? I am SOOOOO jealous of your boyfreind. If I was there I would tip you a twenty right now. LOL


    Ladies, I have worked in retail for thirty years. Do you have any idea how much of my day is spent on people who pay me absolutely nothing? Guys who come to my store to get info, look at my product, treat me as a showroom and then buy it from the cheapest guy they can find on the internet. People who pick my brain for my hard earned knowledge and then buy the item from the guy who has nobody but high school kids working the store.

    I know what you are talking about, the jerks make you crazy. But Lena has the right idea. You have to figure out how to turn the tables and make money off of them. Getting mad does not make you any money, getting over on them does. Keep that in mind.

    But yeah sometimes I have to blow my top too about it. LOL
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    Oh and speaking of getting no tips...

    I did a virtual lap dance yesterday for the whole forum and all I got was a single buck in my G string!
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    It was like all of a sudden, not tipping the dancer had become the new rage. ..............
    and theyre watching my every move. ...... When the cheapskates come to the profound realization that strip clubs arent FUN without dancers taking off their clothes, it "occurs" to them that tipping might be the decent thing to do. And the clothes come back off. ....
    I couldnt wait to get away from the assholes. As I was stepping offstage, I picked up my four bucks as every eye in the place gawked as I bent over. ....... Basically, none of us expect to make a killing everytime we go onstage. We even expect that we wont be every guy out there's "type," hence minimal tip from that customer. But is it too much to expect for a stageside sitting customer to tip a buck or two for 15 min of watching you entirely naked??? ............ How do you girls deal with this? Do you say anything to the customers when they feel like it's kosher to just sit there and gawk while we work our naked asses off for free? Does anybody have any stories about non-tipping customers and comments you've made or things you did?

    Unfortunatly, I think it is kinda the new rage among more and more customers to be perfectly honest with everyone. It 's sad and evil if you ask me....

    I used to use the lines like "Pay per View" even said it is not a free show or those are reserved seats for tipping customers - but rarely did it make a difference.

    I can't tell you how many tips of my own money I have put up trying to give a customer I am sitting with the hint it is improper not to tip at the stage- and also as a professional courtesy if he asks for a dance at a stage side table during her set.

    Most customers really do think(incorrectly) or act like their cover charge pays for unlimited stage show

    they don't equate the reality of the situation- that they are forcing the dancer to work for free.

    [grr]And then some just enjoy it.....

    I have done lots of things in retaliation when a customer is enjoying making me or others work for free- things that would get many a dancer fired actually so I don't recommend but they may make you feel better so.....

    I have poured drinks in their laps , knocked over ashtrays - with a smile and an "opps- I'm so clumsy"
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    but ofcourse it was an accident [halo]

    I told the waitress to screw w/ them- forget their drink serve them singles instead of the doubles they ordered-move her watch and oh sorry it is not happy hour anymore boys- you have to pay full price for your top shelf shots afterall

    Even paid off bouncer to move them so they can't get a free show so easily....

    It is tip to strip- not the other way around.

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    Tiger is a mean one when angered but then that is how Tigers are right? I can't blame you.


    I think it reflects our society these days that people feel they have a right to get what they can for themself for free and if they can "get away with it" it is their right to do so. Think about how many people, cheat the cable TV company, download free music without paying the musicians, etc etc etc. I am afraid we have not seen the last of it and clubs may have to figure out a way to prevent this from happening to dancers.

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    There was this one girl who would get sooooo mad if no one was at her tip row, or was not tipping, she would literally stomp her feet and throw a temper tantrum. It was interesting.
    Hey did you work with me No I never stomped feet though LOL !
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    I never did anything while on stage, more like a hit and run- "opps" type thing


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    My gosh, I thought this phenomena only happened in SAT!!! While I do think it's tacky to start getting dressed before the song is over (that was me who stated it in another post), I see nothing wrong with leaving your clothes on the entire time. I won't start stripping until the boys start tipping.

    I 've had those BS moments when like 3 guys tip me in a full section of a club and that's when I do what Lena does - dance for myself. Some guys are really shy and may not come to the stage, but when I catch their eye while I'm up there gyrating for my own viewing pleasure, and I walk over to them afterwards, they will normally buy a dance or 2 (or 3 or 4 or...). I've heard men say it is sexy to see a woman so into the music that she doesn't seem to be "performing" . That's why I would rather not start getting dressed before my songs are over. You never know who's watching. But I totally understand how frustrating it is and there are times when I dthink "Cheap Bastards" and want to throw my clothes back on.

    BTW, I LOVE the girl who gave the non-tippers money. On a similar note, there is a dancer at my club who will come to the stage with a few dollars, wave them towards the crowd, and say "okay fellas, this is how you do it".


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    Then there was the old ploy where other dancers would sit at the stage and wave a dollar and show the guys how to tip. We would even ask the customer if we could tip her for him and it got the party started!
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    I HATE the nontippers... but worst of all, I HATE guys who sit at the tip rail, then turn their back to you and spend like 5 minutes conversing with their friends! How rude! LOL I try to politely tell them that they are taking up space of others who would like to tip.. the DJs are great, at our club, at getting guys to tip. Last weekend our DJ announced that whoever puts the highest bill onstage would get a free VIP pass. We had one guy put down a benjamin, and his friend followed suit. Pretty soon me and the other girl had about 300 on stage, it was awesome!! See if your DJ can do some 'advertising' for you like that.. maybe free passes? Altho by the sounds of it, your DJ sounds like he can be a major ASS LOL

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    I've always felt a good guideline for a customer to follow is if they're going to sit at the stage, tip a dollar a song, at the tables, a dollar per dancers set (provided you can see her from your vantage point). Even at the stage, over the course of an hour thats only around $15, assuming the club doesn't cut songs.

    Around here, the dancers are required to make the rounds through the customers after their set and collect tips, and the stage seats always get nailed first. I don't feel that its a good policy because it gives customers a disincentive to sit up front (they're going to get hit anyway), and as a result the stage seats are often empty. Generally people who do sit up there are casual SC customers who aren't up to speed on the tipping etiqutte.

    Yes, there is no shortage of cheapskates who exhibit no shame about taking up the best seats, but realize sometimes its a matter of misunderstanding rather than cheapness.
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    Wow. This is a great post. I liked the idea that Kobi had about holding out your g-string and waiting/demanding payment of some kind for services rendered. I will try that tonight. Smurfalicious -- Those guys who put the money in their mouth and on their face have probably been to clubs in Vegas. I am actually able to make some money by playing with the dollar bills. I will grab it with my boobs from their mouth or put it in their pants and take it out with my mouth. It is very difficult to get any money on stage in Vegas. Most guys don't even sit on the stage or go anywhere near it. A lot of dancers out here will pay to stay off of the stage or just pretend like they didn't hear the DJ when their name is called. Stage is a waste of time and energy in Vegas.
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