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    Default What do dancers want from a club?

    I am new to this forum and semi-new to the business. I am currently working on the opening of my club on Long Island, NY. I was interested in what a dancer looks for or would require from a club they work for.

    A sample of my ideas are as follows:

    *Private bath/showers

    *Lockers and individual safes

    *tanning beds and exercise equipment

    *contacts and arrangements for insurance, investment, and social needs.

    These are just some of the things we would like to provide for our dancers, any input on this subject would be greatly appreciated.

    Is the design and look of a club a big factor to the dancers or is it more the environment, or both maybe?

    Thanks for your time,
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    These all sound like great incentives.

    Hiring criteria: what are yours?

    I am assuming this will be a high end club- whaen are you planning on opening? Job security is a big deal for girls. One of our biggest concerns when first starting a club is how stable the business is. That impresses us the most.
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    yes, money talks....tanning, health insurance, health club membership, etc we can buy, but what we really want to is to walk away from work with a lot of money and we'd like to do it in a clean, safe environment.

    For what it's worth, my club now has a tanning booth and private shower. They really aren't used that often. Lockers are nice.

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    I personally prefer discounts to things like tanning salons, health care, etc. I never take advantage of that kind of stuff when it's at work. Don't usually like being there any longer than my shift already is, plus who would help keep that stuff (tanning beds, showers) clean? Some clubs leave the girls responsible and that just never seems to work out right. A good size locker room with a decent size locker is plenty. Keeping me happy is simple. It's mostly about the vibe of the place (as long as I'm making good money). A good house mom is important, the bouncers and DJ should treat us like people, and the management should be approachable with questions and concerns. Plus, if you advertise that you "will train" then please have someone there to do so with the newbies. I feel bad for them when they just get dumped off on us. They're usually terrified of us, and a lot of dancers can be really mean towards them. A good enviroment means everything to me and will determine how long I stay with a company. Just one girl's opinion.

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    where on li??? i'm an LI customer! and possibley considering working at a strip joint to learn the business.

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    I think it is important for management and bouncers to treat the dancers with respect. I worked at a club where management was rude to the girls and some bouncers as well. If there was ever a problem between the customer and the dancer (for instance, the customer wouldn't pay for lapdances received), management would always take the customers side. I no longer work there. I didn't like the environment. They did a horrible job of keeping the club and especially dressing rooms clean as well.

    The club I work at now treats the girls very good IMO. Management and bouncers are friendly. The club and dressing room looks nice. They provide lockers, tanning, and showers. There is a makeup artist, hair stylist, massage therapist, and manicurist, all extra charge of coarse. The house mom supplies good food every night. The house fees here are more than the club I used to work at, but it is worth it because I enjoy working here.

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    A professional and respectful staff is probably the most important, imo. Enough mirrors in the dressing room! I"ve never used a tanning bed at work (well, i don't use them at all anymore) how do we know if they're maintained and the bulbs are fresh? Some sort of discounted health insurance would be an unheard of godsend. Providing me with a Porche 930 turbo so I would look extra good when arriving to work would be a dream come true!


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    Clean club with a decent size stage and dressingrooms.

    Lockers big enough to put a good size bag in there.

    Security that isn't trying to get laid- add all staff to that.

    Enough advertising and promotional stuff to keep the club 1/2 full or more most nights and/or a 1 dancer to every 2 customer ratio during peak hours (10 pm-2am)

    No gimmick dance specials that sell t-shirts etc etc.

    2 for 1's ok but no more than every hour, please

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    Marcus,

    All of that stuff is great, and that is what will attract your really dedicated girls that will stick with you. Some girls just get attatched to a club with a family feel and never leave, and I'm thinking those are the girls you'll wind up with.

    What I want from a club is flexible scheduling (ie, walk in when you want and pay extra house fees if it's late or whatever) and easy money. Easy money means there are customers there. The customers know the rules and aren't permitted to do strange things to dancers on stage. The customers have money. The dances are not so expensive that they are hard to sell, and the girls get a good cut of the dances.

    One of my favorite clubs the manager would ask everyone at the end of the night if they had enough money. If enough girls said no, he would run ten dollar dance specials at the end of the night (rather than twenty dollar dances where the girl keeps ten, we got to keep the whole ten - same income for us, less money for the customer). I really appreciated that.

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    I have one i can think of that seemed to be the biggest problem with dancers coming and going. Other dancers.

    That they would grow up, leave the newbies alone, and NEVER threaten another dancer.

    Pamela

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    Thank You All for your responces. I will take the time to respond to you all in the next couple days, I will take all this info into consideration as I further develope my club.
    Thanks Again, Marcus

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    The only club characteristic which REALLY matters is that the owner/management of the club considers dancers as "partners" in his business and is willing to work WITH the dancers in order for all to make money. This is opposed to club owner/management which considers dancers to be "labor", therefore needing to be controlled by rules, needing to be suspected and watched, thought of as anonymous, interchangeable and easily replaced. All else good or bad in clubs stems from this one simple principle.

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    Hmmmm...Marcus, i may be a tad jaded but the 'perks' you describe give me a vibe that you want to attract HOMELESS or other easily manipulated girls with those draws...like you want us to LIVE there or something!!! i agree with the others that good management, clean environment(in ALL ways), and good lockers are about it..oh ya, the CLIENTELE!!! *as a foot note i hate house moms...rediculous, who thought of paying someone to watch me do what i can on my own, then pay them for nothing-at least the experiences i've had-it's like extra government...fun!*

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    Default Re: What do dancers want from a club?

    1. Customer Count
    1. (tie) Customer Wallet
    3. Respectful treatment. (See Melonies excellent comments above.)
    4. A fair compensation system
    5. Comfortable seating for customers and dancers
    6. No stupid promotions, i.e. T-shirt sales, car washes, raffle tickets.

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    I agree with Winter's comment about the housemoms. I have worked in clubs with and without and prefer without, though I'm sure everyone has a different opinion! I don't like having to pay for an extra manager. I t would be different if the club paid her, and the dancers gave her extra $$$ for stuff like makeup, doing your hair, bringing in food, etc. That would be cool, I just don't care for the mandatory tip-out if she doesn't do anything for me.
    Also, Marcus, have you thought about your policies on out-of-town dancers? If you could audition and work in the same day, then work the next few days straight through, that would be helpful. It would also be good to keep on hand any info about clean, safe, and inexpensive accomodations nearby.
    Last thing-one thing I really like about my current club is that they encourage variety. They hire all ethnicities, body shapes (within reason!) a few pierced/tatooed girls, and are cool if you want to wear something a little different or dance to something a little off-beat. Not every guy likes the same thing, variety is the spice of life!!!
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    I totally agree with Melonie on this one. Most problems for dancers come from jerks who see us as meat, trash, money machines, etc. Realizing we are your business partners makes a world of difference in the overall working environment. I've had this discussion with several managers, and their standard answer is, 'well most of the girls act like babies and never conduct themselves the way they should, so we have to be harsh with them to get them to behave.' That is backwards thinking - treat us like crap and you'll get crap in return. Treat people like babies and they will act like babies. Treat people with a reasonable amount of respect and courtesy, and you'll get the same in return. There will always be a few bad apples here and there - just fire them.

    More specifically:
    *Clean, well-maintained club, dressing room and restrooms.
    *Enough lockers that WORK and are of decent size.
    *Plenty of mirrors and electrical outlets in the dressing room.
    *Professional staff and bouncers who do their jobs.
    *Figure out what is a good number of dancers for each shift and stick with it - a ratio of 2-3 customers per dancer is usually a good balance for ALL to make money, club and dancers. Avoid overloading on dancers just to get the tipout.

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    Thanks again for the responses. I would like to address some of the comments made in the previous posts.

    As for the dancers being considered a "Partner" I feel that a "Partner" is someone who has a financial investment in a company. But I do also believe that there needs to be a "Partnership" between the dancers and the Management/Owners. It is with out a doubt mandatory that all employees and dancers be treated with the outmost respect and dignity. It should be considered that if a Dancer is an "independent contractor" working in my club, they are therefore forming an agreement to work by the rules and regulations set for by the law and the club. To feel that as a dancer you don't need to follow the standards and rules in order make better money is shameful, and that type of attitude would cause more damage than good to both the dancer and the club. Rules are rules and that is what the management is for to insure that all things run smoothly and to make the club enjoyable by all.

    One Post stated that they feel I'm trying to make the dancers stay or as they said "LIVE" at the club. That is not my plan. I want to provide an environment that is not just set up for the Customer or for the Owners. I won't a club that my dancers will be proud to say they dance at. By providing some of these extra's to them is for the purpose of giving them something to utilize prior to a shift or after. There is no extra cost to them. it's free, it's a gesture of appreciation. Along with this same post was a comment regarding House Moms. First off, I agree that a dancer should not have to pay and/or tip-out the House Mom. Your Right she is not management. At my club we plan to pay the House Mom, and her job is to HELP the dancers. She is there to fix costumes, spray hair, provide make-up, and other such jobs. The only Management type tasks she will have is to make sure the girls are on stage when they need to be and to act as a moderator between Dancer issues. It the responsibility of the House Managers to take care of all other Management Tasks. The House Mom is there to be a caregiver. We pay her, not you.

    My belief is that the club you work at should be as enjoyable as possible. Why would anyone want to go to a job and not like it? You are Dancers/Entertainers, Your job is suppose to be exciting and enjoyable. If you are in this business because you feel it's fast and quick cash, than you are not looking at all that it can be. Look at the big Features out there. they make crazy money, because they enjoy themselves, and most importantly they Respect what they do, and demand nothing but respect in return. The club owners and managers are not the enemy, I am going to own my club, but I realize that it will be my customers, and staff that make it work.

    It takes everyone to make the club work, not just a special group, everyone.

    Thank you for letting me voice my opinion, it truly respect everyone's opinion and will do my best to consider all avenues with my future plans for the club.

    Can I really be nice, or as an owner do I need to be a prick to survive

    Thanks, Marcus

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    I was wrong!!!!!

    I read my Last post and realize I made a mistake in saying that The Dancers are not partners in my club. They are, because of the fact that they provide a service(dancing) and bring in the customers, I have been forced to recognize that they have a strong financial effect on the club. I always looked at it as the dancers worked for me. In reality they do the work themselves, I provide the venue, so it is a form of Partners. I greatly apologize if I offended anyone, I admit I was wrong.

    Respectfully, Marcus

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    What I want from a club is flexible scheduling (ie, walk in when you want and pay extra house fees if it's late or whatever) and easy money. Easy money means there are customers there. The customers know the rules and aren't permitted to do strange things to dancers on stage. The customers have money. The dances are not so expensive that they are hard to sell, and the girls get a good cut of the dances.
    Obviously I am not a dancer, but I do listen when they talk. Lena hit something on the head. One recurring theme I hear and read is not simply that customers do strange things, but managment shugs their shoulders when incidents do occur, and pretty much tell the dancer to suck it up. The customer who goes over the line is permitted to continue to frequent the place, and to continue his behavior. Dancers will (and have) left right then and there if it is apparent they do not have management backing.

    I am a bartender who has been at it for 12 years (since I was 21). I deal with all sorts of drunken people on a daily basis, and every so often I am called to task to cut people off and or kick them out. I know I have the full backing of my management when I decide to refuse to serve someone and or tell that person to leave for any number of reasons. If my managment told me to suck it up when some drunken slob is groping women and cursing up a storm, I would quit on the spot. The fact that I know they back me up empowers me to weed out the customers who are a detriment to my bar, my other customers, and my co-workers.

    Jerkoff customers at a SC are a detriment to that establishment too. You engender a "I support you" environment, you are likley to develope a cadre or dancers who are happy where they are. That makes your job less stressfull, and a happy dancer can make you both more money. Over time you can also get to know which of your dancers are the kind that will pipe up when something truly disagreeable happens, and which will lie about a customer who didnt give an extra tip.

    Just my .02 cents. Hope it is of some value.

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    Prestor-John, You make a great point that I failed to respond to in my Earlier Post. I agree with providing the dancers and the club with the best security and staff that is required. I understand that some Customers take advantage of situations, due to the type of business were in. I will run a strict tolerance club when it comes to misconduct from the customers. I have set aside a good portion of my budget to properly train and recruit "Professional" Security Teams, and staff.

    My security team consists of ratios based on dancers not customers. I provide 1 security guard for every 4-5 dancers, instead of the standard 1 guard for every 10-15 customers. By having the extra security (not all in one area, intimidating customers) it allows me to have the extra staff needed to provide other services such as an off property secured parking area for dancers, we will pick-up and drop-off our dancers at this area for the safety of the dancers. Every dancer dreads that customer who waits around the club till the end of a shift, hoping to get to personal with them. It is not a mandatory service, Dancers have that option if they want it.

    I also have a strict tolerance rule for management and dancer relations, All staff is to be treated respectfully and professionally. Know one is to be singled out in front of others, and/or spoken to in any unjust way. Physical fights won't be accepted, nor will be threats of violence. these issues are just standard respect, but are essential to make it all work.

    Thanks again and keep the Idea's coming., Marcus

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    Some of the things that makes Players Showgirls (the club I currently work at) the best consistently on the Gold Coast....

    (Note: Some of this has been already said, I'm just backing it up so you can know what each of us finds valuable)

    * Management that has a level head and respect for the dancers - hence knows how to hand "hot" situations.
    * Decent sized lockers and plenty of them
    * Allowing the smart strippers to become smarter (seminars and/or meetings in re: budgeting, sales, accounting, legal/tax issues, etc that are optional to attend)
    * Allowing flexibility yet don't be a door-mat.
    * Have fines that are enforced yet also have incentives
    * Provide a lap dance area that both a customer and dancer would like to frequent (looks well kept, clean).

    If the lap dance area is an open area (not booths), then make sure there are plenty of couches/seats and good space between customers. If booths, make sure security is near-by and cameras are in the booths.

    * Dressing Room: plenty of bench space, electrical outlets (hair straighteners, hair dryers, etc) as well as a big mirror with adequate lighting (not too bright and not too dim).

    * Have a Door Girl - someone to meet and greet the customers at the Door. This will add a touch of class to your establishment.

    * Have drink commissions for dancers so that is another way for you and the dancer to earn income (you get more drinks ordered, the dancer still earns money)

    * Fired is fired. Make sure that dancers that are fired are not allowed in the club for a decent length of time (a year?).

    * Make the promotion a co-operative venture: you help promote the dancers and the dancers will help promote your club

    * Don't have showers, tanning booths or gym at your club - provide dancers with discounts to beauty salons and local gyms instead. Most dancers will not stay at the club longer than they have to actually be there.

    * Provide a decent stage

    * Have a standard of dress. For example, we aren't allowed to wear boots at my club or anything too lingere like. Anything else is fine including costumes.

    * Attract customers that spend. Make sure your club is known as the club to go to if you want to spend and not for a free perve.

    A way to do this is to enforce a policy amongst your security and other staff that if a customer(s) have not spent a decent amount of money on the dancers (whether stage tips and/or lap dances) within 5 hours of them being there... ask for them to spend some money on the dancers or leave.

    My club does this hence most people end up spending something - even if it is just one 20 minute lap dance (worth $55).


    Some of the things my club doesn't do and I wish they did...

    * Allow dancers to keep 100% of all tips: both stage and "dance" tips (dance tips are received "on the floor" or after a lap dance).

    * Website ! This way dancers can have contact with their customers and vice versa without too much infringement on the dancers.

    * Allow dancers to keep 70% (approx.) of all dance money. If you have alot of dancers like my club does and enough clientele that spends at the club... that 30% you get from every dance can end up being big money.

    * Allow dancers who just want to do stage only to do so hence make sure you have a "pervert row" (tipping rail).

    * Do not have or encourage a tip out. The DJ is paid an hourly fee, same with security. The money a dancer makes should be hers and not have to worry that she has to tip everyone to keep the on side.

    * I don't mind the percentage/commission based system my club has to a point. Determining whether you will charge a set fee each shift or just take a percentage of dance money will be up to you - both ways has positives and negatives.



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    Default Re: What do dancers want from a club?

    It should be considered that if a Dancer is an "independent contractor" working in my club, they are therefore forming an agreement to work by the rules and regulations set for by the law and the club. To feel that as a dancer you don't need to follow the standards and rules in order make better money is shameful, and that type of attitude would cause more damage than good to both the dancer and the club. Rules are rules and that is what the management is for to insure that all things run smoothly and to make the club enjoyable by all.
    Well, with all those rules, you're changing the relationship from independent contractor to employee. So, plan on paying your share of FUTA, FICA and Medicare. Also, benefits will become manditory for full time employees, as will witholding. You see, if I'm an IC, then the only thing you can do is hold me to the law, and all you are interested in is the completed product. Dance count. That is the inherent problem of most club managers. They want employees but they don't want to pay them. You better decide pretty quick what you are going to do.

    I personally have no problem with being an IC, but I do strictly require the club to adhere to the law when that is the case. As an IC, I will provide whatever level of contact I feel is appropriate within the bounds of the law and there is not one thing you can do about it. You cannot fire me, nor fine me unless a performance penalty is specified in the contract. (I will not agree to any performance penalties beyond specified shifts and one stage appearance per hour, limited to six per sift.) I will 1099 you for all my payments to you and to any of your employees that are required in the contract.

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    hey there Marcus, meant no harm, like i said " i may be a little jaded.." i must say i take you more seriously now too. at first it almost seemed like a ploy my some annoynomous creep-oid!!! ! --boy i AM jaded. sounds like some fine plans you have there--
    but(yeah there's one of those )! i still don't like the IDEA of house moms(not that i do not like them personally)*disclaimer* hee hee, i just think if we are not professional enough to take care of ourselves then we shouldn't be dancing! --and if on that note girls do need help w/ hair and make-up, then maybe a small salon section? where as the "mom" can be really separate. ???kinda see what i am getting at??? ...just the fact if we cannot resolve conflicts, then we are not acting professional, and why would you want girls like that working for you? i mean we are in a 'dealing w/ people' environment??? just seems silly
    i have a lovely "mom" she lives w/ my dad!!!!

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    I was wrong!!!!!

    I read my Last post and realize I made a mistake in saying that The Dancers are not partners in my club. They are, because of the fact that they provide a service(dancing) and bring in the customers, I have been forced to recognize that they have a strong financial effect on the club. I always looked at it as the dancers worked for me. In reality they do the work themselves, I provide the venue, so it is a form of Partners. I greatly apologize if I offended anyone, I admit I was wrong.

    Respectfully, Marcus
    Waitstaff also perform services in a club, but that does not make them business partners, since they are paid employees.

    Dancers who are independent contractors pay fees to work in a club whether they make money or not, along with paying 'tips' (actually also fees) to members of the club's staff. That is a nightly finanacial investment in your business, therefore they are your business partners. Every night they go to work in your club, they are going on the assumption that it will be more beneficial to them to make their nightly investment in your club rather than someone else's. They take a risk every night of not turning a profit on that investment. There are other things, such as the fact that dancers work to get the customers coming into your establishment to spend money on them and at the bar, and the fact that in most cases, there is some kind of split on private dance fees and/or VIP trips between club and dancer. These things make the dancers your business partners, just like a franchise owner who pays royalties to a company for the use of their name and concept - every dancer in your club is like a mini-franchise owner. We (well most of us) know we need to conform to certain guidelines and restrictions (just like other franchise owners do), and that in order to conduct our business in an establishment, we must follow the codes of that establishment. That does not however, mean we need to be pushed around, treated unfairly, or forced to adhere to unreasonable rules that restrict our ability to maximize earning potential and, in practice, make us more like employees who don't get paid!

    I'm glad you realize your dancers are your partners in the strip club business, because as previously stated in this thread, if you don't realize that, it will be the cause of many many many forms of mistreating your dancers/partners, which creates a bad work environment for everybody. I've seen the effects this has on alot of clubs over the years, and it's not pretty!

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