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    any girls on this sight in recovery?

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    recovery from surgery? is that what you mean? i will be in about a week(i am getting exited)....

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    ???????????????????
    WORK LIKE YOU DONT NEED MONEY
    LOVE LIKE YOU NEVER BEEN HURT
    DANCE LIKE NO ONE IS WATCHING

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    Hi Jordan,

    If you mean the kind of recovery I think you mean, then I suspect the answer is yes or has been yes in the past if you know what I mean?

    I have 'been recovering' for many years if that makes sense to you. I am of the belief that when you have a problem you are never "over it", you are always getting over it, if that makes any sense.

    Feel free to PM me of post things here and I am glad to talk about things. Welcome Hugs from the Xmarx52
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    She means AA-Alcoholics Anonymous and NA-Narcotics Anonymous.

    Jordankeywest-I haven't been to AA or NA but I've been in and out of rehab a couple times, all before dancing though. Oddly enough dancing has kept me clean. I take it very seriously and I can't do it if I'm all fucked up. If you need someone to talk to PM me, I've pretty much seen or done it all.

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    i am a moron sometimes please forgive...i thought she was saying "awhh-nawhh" DUH is me !!!LOL

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    Not me, but i have a family member who's about to get her ass baker acted by ME. She is a threat to herself and others.

    Another very good point i learned when she was active in AA some years ago. The step program is great. But remember Alcohol breaks down to sugar, hell it is sugar in the body. At AA meetings they serve alot of donuts, and sugar drinks. Not sure how the body feels about that, if it keeps a craving for alcohol going.

    And once you have stopped drinking, you are NOT an alcoholic. Would you say you are an heroin addict, if you have stopped using. No.

    The meeetings are very informative, however i would not call myself an alcoholic after not having a drink...say in a year.

    My sister said "well if i need to tell people i am an alcoholic why stop, i am one, and always will be, so she started drinking again.

    Wrong. She stopped for 2 years, she was not an alcoholic anymore.

    My beliefs.
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    Yes. I am a recovering addict. I didn't like the meetings, as they forced me to think about and tear apart my drug of choice. They encourage people to go every day. One meeting a day. It got to be a bit too much for me.

    All I could think about was going to my Girl's house after the meeting to buy something to get the edge off......

    I disagree with Pam on one measure though. Addicts are always addicts. Creatures of bad habit. When addicts relapse we feel done for. The addiction is not the substance but the tendency to let that substance abuse get out of control. I believe that if you were a true addict, then you always will be. We have to realize that to stay clean. It is NOT OK if an addict has one drink, or one line or one hit. The recovery is not so easy.....

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    I think that once an addict, always an addict. Not to be harsh but it's true, you don't have to tell people that though. And the way your sister said that, she's just looking for a reason to justify that. I did the same thing too. There is a difference though you can be a drug addict and then you can be a recovering drug addict. You never stop recovering, every day I could just as easily slip back into what I used to do, it's that easy. One time for me and that would be it, I would probably die because I wouldn't be able to stop and I know that. That's why I will never touch that stuff again.

    I didn't want to start an arguement Pamela, just voicing my opinion! : )

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    Once you've stopped drinking/abusing, you are in recovery. However, alcoholism is a disease, and you still have it even if you have stopped drinking. Why? Because alcohol will always be a problem for you. You just aren't a practicing alcoholic/addict if you're abstaining.

    As far as looking to find people in NA/AA on the board, the key here is anonymity. That might be hard for people to give up by coming forward.

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    yes once an addict always an addict no if ands or buts. and yes im quite aware of the anonymity. i guess ive been in recovery so long and in such a liberal place i dont care about mine. i protect others though. anyone is welcome to pm me. the reason i posted though is really to hook up with others in vegas.thanks for responces

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    oi 4got that ahh nahhh thing was so cute. really made me laugh!

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    Hi I'm Mike, I am an alcoholic sober 3 years 7 months and 3 days woth of 24 hours. I don't think I could be more annoymous here than I am since you do not even know what I look like.
    I can't speak for anyone beyond my self. but I want a drink right now and left a meeting 2 hours ago. I learned a few things about how not to drink which make me pretty safe for the rest of the day, but tomorrow is another day.
    If you think you have a problem with a substance, get help somewhere...anywhere. But get it. It ain't easy but sober beats what I went through drinking hands down. As for personal perspectives, clean does not mean you aren't an addict just as having one beer a decade does not mean a drunk. Too me addicted means you can't stop at 1. I can't.
    Zero is my only option.

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    It's cool. I understand. I just don't get the whole concept of calling yourself an alcoholic after you are no longer. A disease, yes. So is syphilis, but i would not say i am recovering from syphilis. (of course if i had it no sex until gone.)

    The meetings at AA seemed Like many unhappy people to me. They kept saying over alot, "you will always be an alcoholic even if you never have another drink for the rest of your life." Wow! A bit harsh, we get over addictions all the time.

    I kinda liken it to "i can't have a cig, i quit years ago, and i am a cig. addict," Cigarettes are highly addictive. But we always tell people we quit. Not recovered from them.

    It's the concept for me. I guess the AA meetings where a bummer to alot of people. There are a few groups that get together that do say they are no longer an alcoholic, they qiut. I liked hearing that. My sister is just not ready to quit, because she has. It's her drug of choice she says, legal. And without it feels panic.

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    Pamela, alcoholism isn't a disease one is ever cured of. That's why someone's always an alcoholic. Don't compare it to a venereal disease unless you choose something like herpes that's with you for the rest of your life, always there and never cured. That would be a much more appropriate comparison.

    People call themselves alcoholics because in AA, the biggest step in recovery is admitting that you have a problem. Calling oneself an alcoholic is a way of admitting this. It may sound like a bummer, but shit, being a practicing alcoholic is a much, much worse one.

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    Thanks for the heads up, just guess i don't like the fact that one would call themsleves an alcoholic after stopping the drug. Kinda like a sex addict then. They use sex for many reasons, but they don't stop having sex after getting help. A sex addict does recover as well, and they don't tell people they are a recovering sex addict. Admitting you are an alcoholic comes with seeking counseling. After you stop the drug, i just thought it more helpful to say that one is not an alcoholic. IF i thought of myself as an alcoholic even though i quit 20 years ago, i might feel like a loser, and fall off the wagon more, because i am tagged as an alcoholic. (My thinking. Strange i guess.)

    It's hard for me to explain, but i don't think one would be an alcoholic after stopping. It's deep i know for some, but why would i want to say i am a recovering alcoholic after i stopped ? I don't drink anymore. It's just my way of thinking about the disease.

    Thanks Colettecall! I see where people are coming from with this topic. PS i do know that after the drink is gone in ones life, they don't drink alcohol anymore and are known to be be recovered. I forgot to add that with the sex addict subject.

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    This is sort of related to the thread, and will hopefully help some of those who read it.

    Although, I'm not a recovering anything, I went to a Tony Robbins seminar (called Unleash the Power Within, or UPW), and it blew me away. I'm relatively well-read, well-educated, and innately skeptical of anybody (or product) that claims they can change your (my) life.

    I'm just like you in the sense that I would see him on late night TV and think, "Oh yeah, it's one of those infomercials, and I'm sure that only works for some people"....yada, yada, yada. I've read alot of self-help books, some because I wanted to solve a problem I was having, and other just because I like knowledge and like to know why certain things happen and why people do what they do. Having said that, I thought to myself, "How much could this guy really teach me, anyway (that I don't already know)?"....Man, was I blown away during the first 20 minutes of a 4-5 day seminar...and the open jaws (not only mine, but the other 2,500+ people that were there as well), continued for the entire process. I thought I knew alot about how I worked and humans in general, but I felt like I was in Kindergarten again when he started explaining humans, and why we do what we do, why we think what we thing, why we experience (sometimes continually) what we experience, and why we wind up where we wind up in life. You just have to remember to pick your jaw up off the floor so that you can write stuff down.

    Talk about HUGE personal growth and understanding. This is just a small example of one of the huge changes I went through. I used to live on B-B-Q pork burritos...I mean like 4-5 a week...loved them......I've been a vegetarian ever since the last day of the seminar and haven't had meat since (over a year ago). From meat everyday, to no meat for a year, and I couldn't be happier. Now, the nutrition aspect is only one small part of the seminar, and it is on the last day, so if you don't want to attend, don't. Some of my friends were like, "Wow, your life has totally changed and I really want to go to Tony to learn how to change my life too, but I don't want to give up eating meat." Like I said, you don't have to go to the nutrition day (the last day), if you don't want to. You don't have to do anything you don't want to do. Nothing is mandatory at the seminar, but the more you participate in, the more your life will change because you will finally understand things like:
    • Why we do the things we do (good and bad)

    • Why we pick the people we pick to be in our lives

    • Why the same occurences/situations keep coming up in our lives

    • Our helpful/limiting beliefs about others

    • Our helpful/limiting beliefs about ourselves

    • Our limiting beliefs and fears of/related to everything in our lives : Love, money, spouse, family, job, friends, society, those different than us, success, failure, contribution (giving back to society), etc.


    Alot of what Tony teaches is compiled from many other teachers (that he either knows, or has studied, both contemporary and ancient), and Tony breaks it down and makes it easy to understand. At the UPW I went to, there were people from all walks of life....Presidents and CFO's, to Mothers, to every Blue-Collar trade, to people who were living on public assistance who took the bus and used one of the scholarships that Tony's organization gives out to those that really want to change their lives, but don't have the money at this exact moment. Everybody that I spoke with was blown away. He has a money back guarantee...if at the end of the first day you aren't satisfied, or don't think that this process of changing your life is either worthwhile, or you just don't want to do it, just turn in your workbook and they will refund you money. At the end of the first day, 1 person out of 2,500 wanted a refund.

    The rest of the people that I met there were all dumbfounded by what they were learning, "So that's why:...I do that in that situation,
    ....I feel the way I feel about ABC, or during XYZ,
    ....I think this way about this person/race/event/others different from me,
    ....I constantly attract this type of person into my life,
    ....I have these types of relationships/jobs/friendships/arguments/doubts/fears,
    ....I have these beliefs/problems, scenarios around money....etc., etc."

    There is so much information, and most of it forehead slapping, head shaking, "I finally get it" information, that you will probably wind up with writer's cramp from jotting notes in the margin of the big booklet he gives you.

    And Tony doesn't do these seminars because he wants the money...sure the money is nice, but having money only allows you to forget about money...that's all it allows you to do. Tony is living proof of the belief that to be happy in life, you just have to find something you love to do, and then find somebody to pay you to do it. If you do something you truly love and were meant to do, the money will follow.

    I know I sound like a Tony employee, but I was just so blown away by what I learned about myself, my wife, friends, and the human race (why we do/don't do what we do), and how easy it is to change all of that....instantly...not through years on a couch, not gradually over time (when we get around to it), but NOW. If you want to change something in your life that isn't doing you any good, you will learn how to change it NOW, and not be sad about the choice, nor craving that which you chose not to do.

    It truly was/is an amazing process. Most people are scared of change because they have been doing what they have been doing for so long, they don't know what change looks like, or would feel like, so they stay in their comfort zone. These same people though, long for change in the areas of their lives that aren't as good as they could be, or they want them to be. Having said that (the "I want things to change, but am afraid to do so" logic), think of one of the definitions of insanity....doing the same thing the same way over and over again, yet expecting a different outcome every time. If you carry that philosophy into every area of your life, you will see that where you are in life is a result of every decision you make, and the decisions that you continually make that are the same....your relationship (or relationships) always turn out the same way because you make the same decisions (based on the same beliefs (some of which are not true)), you have the same money/job/family/friends situations, all because you contiually make the same decisions which bring about the same results. If you want different results, you have to make different decision (read: choices other than the ones you always take that bring about this situation that you want to change).

    A couple of things that I should mention because I'm sure that there are some who have these questions.
    I think the fee for the UPW seminar (which is probably the first one yous should take), is about $600-$700. You might think that that is alot of money, but I bet you'll come away thinking that that was the best money you have ever spent and that you'd pay 10 times that amount for what you got (I know I, and everybody else I spoke with felt that way). Also, Tony's books are good, but they pale in comparison to hearing what he has to say, seeing some of the exercises he does with audience members just like you and me, and all of the fun and creative things you do to learn the material, will really drive the message home, because you saw the principles in action, you heard what went on, you wrote notes,...you were witness to whatever happened/unfolded, which is much better than reading about it.

    Just to give you an idea of what I'm talking about (and probably the most dramatic event of the seminar), the first night of the event, you walk across a firebed of hot wood coals barefoot....I shit you not.
    It's called the "Fire-Walk" (what else would it be called, right?). You don't have to do it if you don't want to, but with what Tony teaches you about how your mind handles fear (sometimes good, "Don't play in traffic", and sometimes bad, "Don't write that business plan because you will fail"), you can see through the fear and do it anyway (without pain). I know that sounds crazy, or cultish, but it's not. On that night (and he does this at every one of the UPW's), I would guestimate that 2,300+ of the 2,500 attendees walked on the coals. What they do at about sunset is take you into the parking lot of whereever the seminar is being held, and there is a HUGE bonfire of would, and you can feel the heat from 15 feet away. You all gather around the fire and Tony talks to you about the fear that you might be experiencing. Then he explains that the fear, although based somewhat in reality, can be overcome, and that actually walking across the coals is far easier than one would think, and alot better than letting fear take over your brain and run through all of the "what-ifs". They take you back inside and go through some other things, then they tell you how to use your mind to accomplish your goal, rather than let your mind fear you into submission and failure. Now, if I'm not mistaken, they thermometered these coals at somewhere around 1,200 degrees. Now when I say "coals", I'm talking about wood that has been on fire for a couple of hours and is now in little white-hot, orange and yellow chunks. You follow the procedure that Tony has told you to get yourself "in state", and you walk across these coals (not just one or two coals, a blanket of coals, 2 feet wide x 12-15 feet long). At the end of the 12-15 foot stretch of coals, there is somebody with a hose who sprays your feet so that none of the coals stick to your feet, so don't worry about that part....see, you're already letting fear creep in).
    Anyway, you get to the end of this pathway of hot coals you just walked across, you look back and think, "Holy Shit, that didn't hurt!"...then, realizing the gravity of what you just did because you focused on your outcome and not the fear associated with undertaking the challenge, you think "WTF has been holding me back from doing anything in my life?....I just walked across fucking fire"....starting a business, telling that certain someone how you really feel about them, getting into a relationship, changing careers, speaking your true mind/feelings/beliefs (which you haven't done for fear of being judged or not loved),...anything you thought was challenging before now seems like child's play. And this is just the first night.

    I guarantee, if you go, your life will never be the same....never.

    I was so impressed with what I learned/accomplished, and the breakthroughs that I had (as well as those that went with me), that I signed up for 4 more of his seminars (which are more topic-specific), ranging from everything from relationships to money/investing. I can honestly say that you get much more than your money's worth by going to one of his events. His books are great, but being there in person and changing your life over the course of 4-5 days is one of the most incredible things you will ever experience.

    As I said, Tony compiles alot of his material from masters in all fields of human-related psychologies/beliefs/teachings, etc. You may think to yourself, "Well this Tony guy may be great, but I'm okay with Dr. Phil". This next statement is not to play down Dr. Phil, his strategies, or him as a person. Having said that, if we take things in the context of a school structure, and you want to compare someone like Dr. Phil to Tony, Dr. Phil would be teaching 1st or 2nd grade, and Tony would be teaching PhD Physics at Stanford. If you go, you'll see what I mean. For the first time in my life, I can honestly say that I got 10 times what I paid for, and that Tony is the real deal.
    As I said before, what have you got to lose? He has a money back guarantee...you don't like it at the end of the first day, say so, and they will give you your money back. I guess then the real question becomes, "What have you got to gain?"

    VDJ.

    P.S. What I have described is 1/1000 th of what you will experience/learn/understand, if you choose to go. If anybody does go, please let me know about your experience.
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    Pamela, you are real nice and extrordinarily beautiful, but I disagree but recognize the sentiments as normal thinking. I would liken the use of the word alcoholic or addict...same thing different substance...like (not same) being diabetic. Would you say aperson is not diabetic if their insulin level was normal today and yesterday? Probably not because there is something inside which does not work right. In diabetics its an organ of the body you can point to which makes it easier. A diabetic can not casually use sugar in safety and I (only talking for me) can not use alcohol in safety.
    I can understand the thoughts of people who try to make comparisons to cigarrettes. I smoke and think the difference is tobacco is 99% physical and 1% psychological and alcohol is more like the reverse of that. There are a lot of dimensions to the issue. As for the comment about being happy, in my experience you are wrong. A lot of people may sound unhappy at meeting because they are using it to relieve the pressure because they are not hiding from life anymore and have to deal with it and venting is a good way to do that. A lot of people who seek counselling (I did) BS their way through it thinking they are handling it. Addicts are vey good liars, mostly to themselves.
    I do not claim to be anything beyond me, but if something is wrong in your life--get help somewhere. Maybe it is not as bad as you think and maybe it is just a matter of YET. For me, "yet" nearly killed me. If nothing else, you know what to do if things go worse, Sort of a psychological 911 number.
    As for other approaches, whatever trips your trigger. Smile, your half-nekkid (or more) and your shoes are off.

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    well i'm not a dancer and i'm not a girl but i am recovery. (well i've said it many many many time, strip joint are my last vice) hence I dont; go very often. But when i do go its pretty mucha binge. BUT i knwo how much i can spend and I enjoy it. But it certainly taps into the addictive part of my personality.

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    pamela,

    mayeb teh alchoholic is what make it wierd. once you are an alcoholic even ifyouquit drinkin you are still and addict. Its very easy pick up right wher eyou left off. Most peopel realize when they are doign soemthing they know is harmign them and they stop. An addict will realize they are harming themselevs (at some level they realize it) yet they continue withet behavior.

    As forpicking it up i've been sober about 6 years (i don't keep track and i dont; go to AA meeting very often). And i start ans stop smoking cigs pretty much every few months, I finally quit for ayear and i started again a few weeks ago. DOnt; know why but the whole time i quit i still got cravings for nictoine. Hell i hate the smell of cigs and i'm not particularly fond of the taste (i smoke methols cus normal one taste like crap) yet i still crave cigarettes.

    Pretty much after 2 or 3 cigs it was like i never quite in the first place. Right back to a pack a day. As for otehr substances. Ican;t say i never releapsed once iactually quit. But even after 6 years i still get cravings. Sometime i want a drink sometimes i'd love to go out party my ass off and blow a few grand on yeyo. ANd pretty much eth other htign that keeps me from doign atht is the fact i know my waulity of life is significatly better without that. And i'm young so i'm tryign to look at the big picture.



    and sorry if tah made no snese i know my typign is really really crazy!

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    One Rule I've learned about addiction.

    Addiction is usually the symptom of an underlying mental health issue that we constantly ignore getting treatment for, and self medicate with whatever substance or act we like to do in order regulate our emotions caused by it.

    You'd be amazed at what the right combination of meds and therapy can do to stop your addiction problem.

    The right meds and therapy in combination with recovery will be the one of the best things you can ever do for yourself in life.


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    Puderba, amazingly enough I understood every single thing you typed and also I thought only those of us in the south called it yeyo. N-E-Way, think of it as a work in progress. Each day is a step away from your past into a better future.
    "Come what may although I often say realities come from dreams, but approach all lies with open eyes because NOthing in this world is EVER ALL it seems."

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    exactly!!!! and i know plently of peopel who refer to it as that. From all over. NY, FL, VT, hell even in belize(small central american country i used to go on dive trips).

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    I always thought the reason that an alcoholic will continue to claim it after recovery is b/c ADDICTION is an ugly nasty monster and will manifest itself into another habit if you don't acknowledge it. It's not the drink or the drugs or the food, etc, it's the feeling you get after you get what you've been looking for. I can admit I have an addictive personality, because I understand that. I have always been addicted to something, though most of my life, I have been addicted to sugar. I know that may sound nuts to some of you and if so, consider yourself very lucky not to have succomed to a natural human behavior. But for the rest of us, I can say that unless you understand the cause to your effect, you will remain in you wall-less, time-less existence of addictive behaviors.
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    being addicted to sugar is NOT nuts. it happens to be a big part of alcoholism, heroin addiction, compulsive overeating and bulimia. eating sugar can provide rushes and satisfaction in the brain much like many drugs alcohol sex and gambling there is also a very real physical withdrawl from sugar.

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