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    none of us are shot girls (I don't think), which might have something to do with the lack of reponses. I wouldn't know what goes on with them, but we tip the DJ for playing music more than promoting.

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    I have never heard of waitress's or shooter girls tipping the Dj . Why should they. it is part of a djs JOB to talk on the mike and promote liquer sales.
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    So since it's the DJ's job to talk up the dancers I guess they shouldn't tip him either?

    I don't get it *shrug*.
    Oh, I can tell right now from your attitude that you are just gonna be a fantastic DJ!!! What, with expecting everyone in the club, including the bar staff to tip you. That's definately the reason to be a DJ, milking tips from wherever you can. Grrr.

    Seriously, do you really believe as a DJ you're promoting the shot girls? Honey, alcohol promotes itself! Why not worry about oh I dunno, learning to read a crowd, watching to see what a girl *wants* to dance to, and what she *can* dance to. Learn when to employ what club/party DJs refer to as a "floor filler."

    Damn, what was I thinking artfully laying down my 12" vinyl delights, when there's soooo much greed to be had playing CDs!!! *growl*

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    I was thinking the same thing, Smurf.

    Someone wants to start as a DJ in a strip club, has the opportunity to ask dancers anything that's on his mind, and he chooses something about milking money out of the most people possible.

    I honestly don't care what the DJ does says. He's there to play music, get the customers pumped up and make sure the rotation runs smoothly. I will tip extra if I make special requests. I make it a special point not to tip extra to DJs who make it a special point to shake us down.

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    Well said, Smurf. Greedy DJs, just what this business really needs.

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    You asked a question we answered. staff besides dancers DONT tip the dj thats the way it is. We run into so many dj's that try to shake us down that when we hear of a new dj right off the bat thinking about how many tips he will get and from how many people it is a huge turnoff. Some djs make more than some dancers and you cant tell me their job is harder than ours
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    Why do you feel the need to make nasty comments just because i told you what we as DANCERS feel about greedy dj's. For the record i am one of the best tippers in my club i truly take care of those that take care of me. However when someone acts like i OWE them more than what i give no matter how generous the tip or to expect every girl no matter how the night went to give a generous tip no matter what she makes. or plays dirty dj tricks to the girls that dont tip as well as THEY think she should. We all take exception to that. a tip is just that. not a god given right. i too dont like someone who makes money and doesnt tip that is just rude but the "blackmail" type dj pisses us off!!!

    also most clubs have a minumum mandatory tip out for djs mine does

    You just seem like you just might be the type we dont like. MONEY HUNGRY
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    I was a beer tub girl in nightclubs on several occasions including large events like superbowl, Gasparilla etc with the closest to a StripClub enviroment being a swingers club.
    I was told to tip the barback 10 % ( they bring barrels of ice several times over the night and restock ) and a little the bartender for using her barback, making her work a little harder. I additionaly tipped a bouncer to keep an eye on me .

    In additon to that I remember more than one club charging the DJ a house fee as well the HouseMom- they were independant contractors as well in the clubs eyes and renting space just like dancers.

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    So since it's the DJ's job to talk up the dancers I guess they shouldn't tip him either?

    I don't get it *shrug*.
    speaking just for myself I pay a DJ to play music, not talk me up.
    I've been known to tip very well too.....

    IF my DJ picks up on which songs I'm good at or especially enjoy dancing to-
    if he can know what songs put me in a good mood and be able to tell from looking at me that I could use a little mood lift and just plays it w/o me asking.

    That is a good DJ.

    I paid
    extra for rotation skips- the price of a dance every rotation I am skipped.
    That to me is a good DJ.

    I didn't need a DJ to talk me up, a smile as my song starts will get you a better tip and
    customers don't really listen and those that do find it annoying actually.
    I think that is a DJ misconception. Just call me 2 songs before my set and take note of what I like to dance to.

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    By the way, since you said I could ask dancers ANYTHING, here is a question for you, at the risk of changing the topic of the thread.

    Have any of you SEEN DJ auditions at your club(s) before?

    What usually occurs?

    What did a DJ do that made you think he was great and should get the job?

    What did a DJ do that immediately turned you off?

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    Yes I have. He is asked to come usualy at a slow time or day and the reg DJ takes a break maybe 20 mins. The manager and reg DJ will watch the room to see the energy level, maybe buy a nearby dancer or customer a drink and ask them what they think


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    The place I am trying out for makes the girls give you all their tip money, you take your share, then return the rest to them. Guess they had to do this because so many of the girls were skipping out without any sort of compensation whatsoever.

    It will make things easier on me though

    Sorry - I don't buy that for one second.

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    Alright now, give the guy a break. We're all in this business to make money, so if he assumes a shot girl, whom he talks up, should tip him than can you really blame the guy? Listen to what you're saying ladies, it's his job so why should he demand tips... great, another DJ who just wants to milk as much money as he can out of us...

    Well duh! More fucking power to 'em! That's what this business is all about. Haven't you ever felt like wringing a guys neck when you hear him say something along the lines of Why should I tip the girl on stage, it's her job to dance for me, that's what she's paid for... or... all these strippers want from me is my money, they'll squeeze whatever they can from me.

    I tip every non-dancing employee simply because I understand that they work for tips just like me. Even the one's who are jerks, chances are that dealing with stingy strippers for so long jaded them and usually my courtesy rubs off.

    I really don't understand this DJ bashing theme, it's not the first time either. If you ask me, as far as complaining about DJs milking, sure looks like the pot calling the kettle black.

    **BTW At Dream Street in Beaumont Tx the girls hand over all the tips made on main to the DJ before going to second stage. That's every time they go up. I don't know why this is, or how it got started; but I never did it and was never asked to. I tipped at the end of the night like I was used to.

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    This is why the system is so ass-backwards! Tipping should be optional, not mandatory. We, as dancers, who work for tips only, should not be expected to pay the salaries of the non-dancing staff. If club owners would pay a decent salary to their staff, then we wouldn't have to take up their slack. "Renting space" is bullshit, we are the ones bringing the customers in. Shouldn't we be compensated for that, like not having to pay tip outs?! Shouldn't it be a colaboration, you scratch my back, I'll scratch yours. The dancers wouldn't have a place to work without the clubs, and the clubs wouldn't have entertainment without the dancers.

    When the DJ promotes shot girls, waitresses, bartenders, drink specials, etc., you are helping the bar to make money. The DJ usually receives a small salary from the bar; therefore, you are expected to help make them money. At least you're getting some sort of compensation (assuming you would be receiving a salary). If you don't, you get to experience a little of the shaft that we get every night!

    I did work for one club that had the dancers turn in their money to the bartender, who would take his and the doorman's tip out. Then the DJ would take his cut. They had a high and unfair tip-out fee, which made the dancers feel like they were getting screwed, so in turn, most of the dancers didn't turn in all of their money, anyway. So if a club really thinks that they are going to "make" the dancers give their "fare share", I'm here to tell you there are ways around it, and the girls who would have been dishonest before will find ways to hide the extra money they make.

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    Okay, I was a shooter girl at my first club before I started dancing. It was a small club (25 dancers at the most) and that was the hardest thing to sell. The shot girl made the worst money out of anyone there and could only work on Friday and Saturday nights. It was also the most boring job. A lot of walking around. We weren't aloud to sit and talk with the customer, which being a dancer I understand why. Needless to say it didn't take me long before I started dancing. Okay, two nights after I started selling shots I started dancing. The shot girls there didn't tip out any body.

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    The DJ usually receives a small salary from the bar; therefore, you are expected to help make them money. At least you're getting some sort of compensation (assuming you would be receiving a salary). If you don't, you get to experience a little of the shaft that we get every night!
    I've dated three head DJs in the past five years , which you may believe accounts for my understanding of the other side. Truth is I've always been the magnanimous sort.

    Small salary's putting it lightly, try minimum wage. Come on, have a heart.


    I did work for one club that had the dancers turn in their money to the bartender, who would take his and the doorman's tip out. Then the DJ would take his cut. They had a high and unfair tip-out fee, which made the dancers feel like they were getting screwed, so in turn, most of the dancers didn't turn in all of their money, anyway. So if a club really thinks that they are going to "make" the dancers give their "fare share", I'm here to tell you there are ways around it, and the girls who would have been dishonest before will find ways to hide the extra money they make.
    Now that's fucking absurd! However, it may be a result of the clubs past abundance of stingy dancers. I wouldn't work there. You're right, those who are penurious will always find a way to get around tipping.

    To each her own, as long as you don't feel pangs of guilt than it's not truly dishonesty, simply prerogative.

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    I'm not bashing all dj's just the ones that shake you down regardless of how much you give. you know naomi that you have run into those. i said before i am a great tipper and so are most of the girls i work with. my fav dj makes way more than some girls and sometimes comes close to makeing what i make... sorry not fair.... im half naked for godsakes. im just talking about the almost one in every club greedy guy. this guy isnt even a dj yet nor has he been and all he's thinking about is who he can get what from. not hey what kind of music do you like ect ect but what about the shooter girl. puleze
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    Umm... yeah. Was there a DJ that put a gun to your head and forced you to tip him? Or were you just pissy about having to pay a fair amount to someone that played your music, announced you on stage, etc.?
    Wrong attitude for a guy on this board. Courtesy and respect of the dancers is not a goal, it's minimum performance.

    I just talked to a guy that's been DJ'ing for years today. He reinforced what I have heard from others... a lot of the girls are stingy as hell and will try to scam you every chance they get. And this was a guy that got along well with them
    Since you think that the people you work for are going to "scam" you, I think you need to find a different line of work.

    The place I am trying out for makes the girls give you all their tip money, you take your share, then return the rest to them. Guess they had to do this because so many of the girls were skipping out without any sort of compensation whatsoever.
    Dream on. I am convinced that you are not a DJ wannabe, nor that you are even 18. However, if you are, you need to learn a lesson. DJs work for the dancers, not the other way around. Get that through your head and you might make it as a DJ, forget that and you'll fail miserably.

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    Yes Velvet, I have worked with a few asshole DJs. As a matter of fact, I worked at Lido's in Cocoa Beach for two months and one night I couldn't stand the DJs coldness anymore so I said something to him. Actually, at the time I assumed he had some sort of personal issue bothering him so I asked "are you okay, you're always so mean to me."

    While I appreciate candidness, his response really hurt me, "I'm fine, I just don't like you. I don't know what it is but I just don't like you."

    I tipped well and DJs love my choice in titty bar music, so as you might imagine, this really hurt. I quit that night.

    You may have a point there Velvet; but I don't recall any of my pre-dancing inquiries having anything to do with how I could please the men or be a great addition to the team. It was more along the lines of how much money will I make.

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    Wrong attitude for a guy on this board. Courtesy and respect of the dancers is not a goal, it's minimum performance.


    Since you think that the people you work for are going to "scam" you, I think you need to find a different line of work.


    Dream on. I am convinced that you are not a DJ wannabe, nor that you are even 18. However, if you are, you need to learn a lesson. DJs work for the dancers, not the other way around. Get that through your head and you might make it as a DJ, forget that and you'll fail miserably.
    hehe Gotta love a brazen ball buster but...

    His attitude was altered out of basic human self-defense. He was already pounced on.

    See my **BTW response, I believe that's what he's referring to. Perhaps a bit of elaboration would help us better understand.

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    Yes Velvet, I have worked with a few asshole DJs. As a matter of fact, I worked at Lido's in Cocoa Beach for two months and one night I couldn't stand the DJs coldness anymore so I said something to him. Actually, at the time I assumed he had some sort of personal issue bothering him so I asked "are you okay, you're always so mean to me."

    While I appreciate candidness, his response really hurt me, "I'm fine, I just don't like you. I don't know what it is but I just don't like you."

    I tipped well and DJs love my choice in titty bar music, so as you might imagine, this really hurt. I quit that night.

    You may have a point there Velvet; but I don't recall any of my pre-dancing inquiries having anything to do with how I could please the men or be a great addition to the team. It was more along the lines of how much money will I make.
    was it tony by any chance? i dont work there anymore havent in 3 years but he is still there
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    was it tony by any chance? i dont work there anymore havent in 3 years but he is still there
    I'm horrible with names, it was the short black guy. I too have met people I just didn't like from the get go; but as blunt as I may be, I'm not hurtful and wouldn't say what he did.

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    [color=Blue]hehe Gotta love a brazen ball buster but...

    His attitude was altered out of basic human self-defense. He was already pounced on.
    Nope, he started out greedy and ended up being rude. That is simply not ever acceptable behavior from a man, or boy.

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    I am well over 18.
    You can say it all you want, but your words go a long way toward proving that you are a juvenile.

    You get the wrong impression of me because I am not an ass kisser, but if you met me in real life, chances are we would get along fine.
    That's an attitude I really dislike, avoidance of personal responsibility. You say I get, when in fact, you give off a terrible impression. If you cannot tell the difference between courtesy and respect and ass kissing, I'm convinced that you aren't old enough to post here. I doubt seriously that we'd get along. I do not like immature men, I really do not like greedy men and I actively dislike men who will not accept responsibility for their own conduct.

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    I do not like immature men, I really do not like greedy men and I actively dislike men who will not accept responsibility for their own conduct.
    In an effort to try to end this futile bickering, I will remove my big mouth from this thread and restrain myself from commenting on any patterns that may or may not be apparent.

    Ebon, move on to another topic here, quit antagonizing the ladies; but don't stop posting on stripperweb.

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    This is why the system is so ass-backwards! Tipping should be optional, not mandatory. We, as dancers, who work for tips only, should not be expected to pay the salaries of the non-dancing staff. If club owners would pay a decent salary to their staff, then we wouldn't have to take up their slack. "Renting space" is bullshit, we are the ones bringing the customers in. Shouldn't we be compensated for that, like not having to pay tip outs?!
    I understand the gist of your point here, but take some consideration into what you're saying.

    If dancers were to stop paying tipouts, club owners would be out that stream of revenue, and the money lost would have to be made up somewhere else, namely on drinks (which a lot of customers already consider overpriced) and at the door. If these prices become too steep, a lot of customers will simply stop coming and take their entertainment dollar elsewhere, and a lot of the ones who do come will have considerably less money to spend on you.

    The club owners will still have to pay for the rent/property taxes, the utilities, the permits, the liquor, the army of lawyers they have fighting to keep the gestapo authorities from shutting your club down, not to mention pay the "salaries" (heh heh) of the non-dancer staff since its no longer on your dime. I've never seen the books myself, but I doubt either at a cozy neighborhood bar, or a megasize gentlemens club, these expenses can be paid on drink and cover charges alone. With a reduced amount of customers coming in, they're not going to be getting that money. If they can't afford to pay the non-dancer staff, they'll have to lay off some of them, and as a result service will suffer, which will chase away even more customers. Now,iIf the very people that you depend on for your income don't show up, then how exactly are you going to make any money?

    Yes, I think that the status quo sucks for you gals regarding tipouts, but its still the lesser of evils, and you would be considerably worse off with the alternative I presented. With an oversupply of dancers and undersupply of patrons, its simply logical that you're going to get the brunt end of the "shafting". And as long as there are two or more girls starting out for every one leaving, and as long the customer to dancer ratio is literally inverted on slow nights, don't expect too much to change.
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