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    Probably the biggest misconception of strippers is that they are just pretty & dumb (or just pretty dumb), wouldn't you agree? I've found (as most of us have..) quite the opposite to be true. Granted, there are some girls that are not schooled or may be stripping just for the money with no desire for mental output, but I think that's to be expected in any venue of entertainment, not just stripping. My friend who actually introduced me to the world of being a dancer is a graduate of Yale and I'm no slouch myself, academically.

    My question is this: As we all know, many customers see us as such. How many times have you heard, "wow - you're really smart, I'm surprised".. Or, " huh- you went to college?!?" or, " You read that book?".... and I find that sometimes, it's an impediment rather than gateway to making money. This is not the case all the time, but I think that we want to maximize our earning potential in the current economic market. So to make this long-winded question short - do you find that playing the dumb girl makes more $ or actually using your smarts ? I'm a bit torn on this issue, and usually feel out the customer first....but some customers are SO enigmatic about things- especially in my club - they are the finance, venture capitalist- types and good hiding things (just thing Enron and Worldcom). You think that they want the smart-girl - but they really want the dumb bimbo. You think that another wants an dumb bimbo, and really they want the smart savvy type... I understand that the guys come into the club for a fantasy - it's just a matter of figuring out what fantasy they're pursuing. :-/

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    I very rarely make much money off a customer after revealing to him that I have a brain. One customer said that he would feel wrong getting a lapdance from me after realizing that I was intelligent. I dug around and it seems that he felt a lapdance was degrading, and he didn't want to degrade me after discovering that I had a brain. (?)

    I don't think it's *just* the smarts part of it tho. When I am at work I act like Marilyn Monroe.. my voice is slightly spacey, I pause before I talk, and I say disarmingly innocently stupid things. When I start talking about things that I know about or acting smart, I come across more like my real self. People don't buy dances from my real self. They buy dances from me when I keep myself soft, cute, and sexy.

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    This has to do more with men's view of women in general than with their opinions of strippers specifically. The old madonna/whore complex lives and it basically translates into an idea that women cannot be both hot and intelligent. I certainly think that guys that have hit on me in bars have been put off by my conversation every bit as much as guys in strip clubs.
    I'm no dummy - I'll be getting my BA in economics this year - and I'm never afraid to say that. And yes, it does put some guys off at work.
    I think a lot of customers want a wide-eyed gal who will marvel at their every word, or just a party girl with no other concerns. Fortunately I have a very good feel for who wants what.
    As far as it being an impediment to making money, I can't really think of it having affected me that much - but that is probably due to the fact that I will censor out polysyllabic words when I'm talking to a customer that I don't think is into intelligent conversation. How have you found it to impede your moneymaking? Will guys brush you off if they think you're brainy and then get dances from girls playing up the bimbo stereotype? The way around this for me is to pay as much attention to them and be as sweet and complimentary of them as the bimbo would be, just with better lines.
    Also, one of my best secrets is that I love sports. I love hockey and college football and my knowledge of them has gotten more guys enamored with me than my opinion on Martin Amis's last book.
    Having said all of this, I work in Texas and I know that my clientele is probably very different from yours (except for the Enron deal). Your guys are probably used to working with intelligent women and want to be fawned over. Do that and they will love you no matter what else you say - they will think it's sweet that you're so smart. Let the condescension be soothed by their money.
    As far as the stereotype of dumb dancers goes, one of my friends at work is getting her masters in education and in one of her psyche classes, the professor said that most women in the sex industry have IQs that border on mental retardation! That's the worst thing I've ever heard about our collective intelligence and it makes me furious. I've known some really dumb dancers but I've known some brilliant ones, too, and I think on average dancers are no worse off mentally than any other group of workers.

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    to paraphrase an applicable adage - "there's dumb like a fox and dumb like a stump!". One of the very first skills a successful dancer needs to master is reading customers to know whether they're expecting a 'bimbo' or a sexy companion who can hold her own in conversation. From there another adage applies - "give the customer what he wants".

    The fortunate part (for most of us at least) is that it's easy for a smart girl to come across as a bimbo if she chooses to. I suppose it's not so easy for some girls to do the reverse, though.

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    Interestingly enough, I only find myself dumbing down for the incredibly intoxicated customers and the middle / upper-class white collar customers, in an effort to maintain earnings.

    The intoxicated customers are usually incapable of holding an intelligent conversation with a pair of breasts, much less the brains above that pair. So it behooves me to turn down the IQ-power by a few notches, so that I may relate to them in terms they understand.

    The middle / upper class customers in my area have demonstrated that they do wish to spend money on women who are at least marginally intelligent. However, they seem to have a complex when it comes to a woman equalling or exceeding their knowledge in any given field. Thus being the case, I find it best to dumb down a nominal amount, so as not ruffle any feathers or bruise any delicate male egos.

    Surprisingly, intelligent conversation with sober, blue collar individuals seems to help my earnings. They are generally sober enough and intelligent enough to comprehend what I am saying, albeit with occasional detailed explanations, and seem to be fairly pleased, if not impressed, that a woman of intelligence will spend time with them.

    I can't say it is this way everywhere. When I worked in Florida, it was the white collar men who refused to tip less intelligent women, and it was blue collar men who seemed almost scared of a woman with brains. As with anything in this business, there does not seem to be any hard and fast truths.

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    I couldn't agree with Melonie more!

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    Well, as an occasional customer, and a male; I enjoy challenging intellectual conversation. Add a beautiful lady into the equation, and I will most certainly enjoy myself.

    Heck, I seem to have some strange addiction to these message boards.
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    The fortunate part (for most of us at least) is that it's easy for a smart girl to come across as a bimbo if she chooses to. I suppose it's not so easy for some girls to do the reverse, though.
    ...So true! I will be happy for that fact, indeed, though I can't say that anyone -let alone dancer, can truly master the art of always knowing exactly what a customer wants - but that's what keeps our job so entertaining, no?

    And collette - that professor of yours needs to do a little research on Asia Carerra before making a comment like that - she's a member of mensa and one of the greatest Vivid girls out there. Just one of many smarty-pants in the sex industry.

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    Wow!!! I had no idea Asia Carerra is a member of mensa. Talk about impressive.

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    "You have no idea what a long-legged gal can do without doing anything." -Claudette Colbert

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    This topic of conversation reminds me of one of my initial interactions with a client. He was a bit of a cynical type, and he says, "Go ahead, try to shock me. I bet you can't." He was probably thinking that I will come up with the most bizarre of sexual practices, and something that wouldn't make him flinch. However, I told him I was in the process of obtaining my doctorate in psychology (a little white lie, I was in the process of obtaining my undergraduate in sociology). His jaw dropped, and he just couldn't believe that an intelligent individual would choose to dance. This of course led to many a question, along these lines: "Why would you ever choose to dance/degrade yourself in this manner, etc." Needless to say, I shocked him with my (supposed) level of education and historical knowledge of Communist Eastern Europe. Granted, I didn't get any dances from him, but it felt good nonetheless.

    On a different note, I don't dumb myself down. I don't think I could honestly pull that off. I have been told I give off an intelligent air, so I just don't think I'm a good enough of an actress to play stupid. I use my intelligence towards witty comments and interactions with my clients...which I have found to have a very positive effect. They like the fact that I can exchange pleasantries on the same level with them. However, I leave my politics way out if the client/dancer interaction. Mostly because my politics are a bit radical, and I don't want to turn off any clients with my feminist/radical political rants!!!! Somehow my feminist politics makes quite a number of men flaccid!!!

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    MMMMM.. Good question. Since i speak with a slight accent, i am not sure how men see me at times. So a few tricks came upon me one night while working. First i have found LOTS of men love to talk about themselves. Even in a club. I ask them questions about themselves and they throw a question right back at me. Makes it very easy to follow a guys lead. ( I mosty depend on my looks to get me through. That don't always work.)
    So...i have educated myself in the wonderful world of men!!! I now love football, cars, music, and Harleys! Ect. " 49ers hell yea thats my team." I can tell you the coaches's name...even spell his last name..lol. "Cars...you drive a Porsche?" " What about an E-class?" Yep i love mercedes too! If i don't know what a guy is talking about i fake at times, find a loop hole and jump in.
    Yea i go with brains....because i feel good about myself, very confident and beautiful! So...if i am looked upon as a bimbo to some customers... at least i can "walk the walk and talk the talk:!!
    Hope this helps someone..Pamela

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    I find intelligent women sexually as well as mentally stimulating. An intelligent and savvy dancer runs the risk of emptying my wallet and maxing my credit card. You just have to listen to the guy and see where things are going. If you have to play dumb to get money from some guys, well I guess it's just an occupational hazard.

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    Athena, that's hilarious, and precisely what that dork deserved . . . as far as leaving politics out of the conversation, I've got to say I'm always amused that the majority of customers are so right-leaning . . . though it makes sense, liberals feel guilty about going to strip clubs and the friends that have been the most concerned about my dancing are the smarty-pants liberals. And my politics are about as radical as you can get; as an economics major they have moved even more steadily to the left, so I pretty much leave those aside - a smart stripper's one thing, a Marxist one another entirely.

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    Lots of these guys I meet don't like to carry on meaningul conversations. When i try to probe some of them they get nervous talking about their carers or real lives too much.

    I think the best way to deal with many of these guys is to give them eye contact and a smile to let themfel like they are the man and nod your head and say uhuh while they are talking.

    Melonie is right about having to read each guy. everyone is different and th apoach you used on one guy might flop on another. Probe each guy quickly and size him up and whatever mode of communication seems to open him up stick with. If nothing works, it's time to move on to the next guy.

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    This is a question for Pamela...

    You mentioned that you have an accent? What other language(s) do you know? I'm fascinated with languages, and right now I have two (French and Romanian) with a level of proficiency. And I'm starting to look at taking intensive courses in Spanish. Not to mention, I am going to complete my master's in Amsterdam, so I shall be learning Dutch as well.

    Anyway, I'm just curious.

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    Ah yes, the topic which got me going on this site, started by the most intriguing NYCjacqueline herself...

    Unfortunately, I am trapped for now (cannot live too far from my very unhealthy parents) in a location which has to have the lowest average IQ of any of the widely scattered areas I have called home, so do not expect anything more than a modicum of intelligence from anyone I meet or have to work with. But imagine my surprise and delight when upon informing the women I work with of this site, I discovered that there are even here in Daytona Beach many exceptional women who dance, from several of whom you will be hearing in person shortly. One is pursuing a master's in criminal psychology, many are attending college by day, and many do in fact read books--unlike the majority of people everywhere in this country. Not to mention Sacha the Sex Machine, who is a journalist/photojournalist for various publications in the Netherlands, and is every bit as captivating a conversationalist as she is a stunning performer. The club at which I have recently started seems to attract these types more readily, which is why I am staying there even though they are having trouble now (let's see what I can do about that, I like a challenge).

    It sounds like you all are dealing quite well with the question of whether it is better to act the bimbo or not, the key being to tailor your apparent mental aptitude to the customers' expectations. And if this is frustrating (I have to do it too, and not just at the club--after hearing "huh?" as a response God knows how many times or how many places, I have learned to water down my conversation), you at least have the satisfaction of having used your intelligence to master the situation, proving that in more ways than one, and I repeat, the brain is the most important sex organ.

    P.S. Kudos to Athena the Goddess of Wisdom for putting the dork in his place, and as an aside, have you checked out any of Consolidated's CDs? (OK, I just erased what I had written here and will post it in the "Music Reviews" category where it belongs, rather than being self-indulgent and digressing yet again--Category "Music for Angry Women").

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    Hi Athena,
    my family lived in Sweden. I was born there, moved to the states at 4 yrs. Talking to my mother all my life...lol as well as aunts uncles ect who moved here, i sound more of a Britt. I can tame down and talk slow and you just detect certain words that are different. But when i work and get a rambling...look out, i seem rather strong with the accent. My mother says it's a combo of living with her all my life, and the way there is no accent over here, and talking to my friends all the time. British is what alot of people say i sound like. HUH? ? But i don't care i just talk away! Now i am learning Spanish, it's an easy language i am finding out. Being in Fl. i think i need it. Wonderful language. Not too interested in french. My ex BF was Belgium. He would do as my mother, say words to me in french, (Swedish for her) Ohhhhh, i got so angry
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    Smart girls are sexy, the ability to hold an intelligent conversation is often more alluring to the customer than the lap dance.
    I am surpised to hear that so many white collar guys are threatened by intelligent women.

    As to the Asia Carrera bio- * Good call, email received I looked her up and I am glad to see that she is indeed telling the truth.

    The only *other* woman to ever become a member of Mensa who has some affiliation with the adult entertainment industry is former Playboy Playmate Julie Peterson and that was after she became a Doctor.

    Good for you Athena that was well done.
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    Asia Carrera is listed on the Mensa roster under her real name which I am going to have to go searching for now ; she is rather covetous of that bit of info. When I worked at a major adult ISP in Seattle, she was the great love (and often friend) of many of our coders and they would be more than willing to vouch for her mental acumen.

    As far as smart cookies go in the adult industry, Danni Ash (of Danni's Hard Drive) is another one; so is Jane Duvall (of Jane's Guide). They are actually the reason I gave up my "office" job and went into dancing. It is actually amazing how many wonderful, intelligent women there are in all levels and facets of this industry.

    And here is a funny story from a recent night: I had an attorney from the Bay Area as a patron and was talking with him and giving him dances in VIP. He asks me, during my dance, what it was that I did at <name of adult ISP>. So I told him! "I ran Cat5 and did some junior level admin on the FreeBSD servers as well as assisted the CFO from time to time." He got so uptight then and told me that that was "Such a turn-off" LOL! That was the last dance from him, teehee but our VIP time was up anyway. And to think, he didn't let me get to the fun part where I got to mud wrestle a stripper at a promo for the ISP or when I met Ron Jeremy. Sheesh!
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    I never dumb down so to speak. I follow a customer's pattern of conversation or if there is a weird moment after the intro I make him think he is suggesting something basic that i decide we should talk about. If at my home club, local crap is always good. If we get to the fact that I attend a prestigious private school in the Midwest great, if not great too.
    I stick to topics that are mutually acceptable, and if I don't want to talk about something I steer away to something else. I didn't get voted Most Loquacious in high school for nothing. If I can't do anything else, I can talk and manipulate an entire conversation....all by myself. Typically as dancers, we tailor certain aspects of who we are for the night specifically to the customers we spend time with. I just haven't ever tailored myself to be the ditzy chick.
    "Come what may although I often say realities come from dreams, but approach all lies with open eyes because NOthing in this world is EVER ALL it seems."

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    And here is a funny story from a recent night: I had an attorney from the Bay Area as a patron and was talking with him and giving him dances in VIP. He asks me, during my dance, what it was that I did at <name of adult ISP>. So I told him! "I ran Cat5 and did some junior level admin on the FreeBSD servers as well as assisted the CFO from time to time." He got so uptight then and told me that that was "Such a turn-off"
    That man's got issues.

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    Hehe, yeah. Usually when that topic comes up I end up with a repeat customer! Oh, and a lot of requests for me to accompany them to the computer store to help pick out a system. How's *that* for a pick-up line? LOL!

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    It's a pick up line that would work on plenty of my friends!
    I met a techie at work the other night and when I told him that I was a devoted Mac user and talked about working on my website, he became totally enamored. So yay for the guys that like smart geeky girls!

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    Never reveal your degrees... It just doesn't fit the stereotype guys have in their heads about dancers - that's my experience
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