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    I had a class in abnormal Psychology. And there professor brought up the topic about strippers and prostitutes. And how 90% percent of the girls in those fields have been molested or raped. This got the whole class onto a topic about how dancers are drug addicts and prostitutes. The girls in the class had completely disgusted looks on there faces. I didn't say anything in fear of being judged. It got me to thinking that all the people I told and seemed cool about probably talk shit behind my back. My Ex boyfriend even broke up with me over it. Are strippers considered abnormal? Why do people hate us so much when we are not doing any harm to people.
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    Look at These subject boards:"Ever Sleep with a customer for $$?"And,"Keep it Out Of My Club".It might give you some info for your questions.
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    yeah, I don't think the public view strippers as being good. in most people's eyes stripppers are either:
    complete prostittues or druggies. you have no idea how many times a guy that i was dancing for asked me to do somethng that i wasnt supposed to do. just today some guy asked me to slip my boob in his mouth and rub all over his crotch. i was like "honey, we dont do that here" he's all "that's okay. you're a stripper, it's what you do" hello? no, i dont think i do that.
    i dont know why people think like this. its just the way it is and the way its always gonna be. too bad since i cant tell my parents that i dance even though i love doing it and its putting me thru school and letting me do all the things i couldnt have done if i wasnt a stripper.

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    People have different views of dancers/stripping and the industry based on how they were raised. My parents raised me with rather liberal, open points of view even though I was raised in the Bible Belt which still operates in the Good Ole Boys network in the South. I act and think very differently from a lot of people that I know and went to high school with.
    I never had a disdainful or elitist attitude toward dancers or the sex industry b/c I feel everyone has the right to make their own choices. I will say however that before I started dancing I used to get personally offended when I went out and b/c I wear wild shoes people were always asking me if I was a dancer. I wasn't offended by being mistaken for one, but i was offended by the logic that if I have on clothes that look sexy and expensive, wild or exotic shoes and am in a nice car I must be a stripper. I am always offended by being making assumptions.
    One of my summer school classmates found out a few days ago that I was a dancer. I don't believe that she views me any differently now than b/4, but it honestly surprises some people that after hearing that you go to a snotty college but that you dance makes it okay or less important. Same as when I went out looking like a little thug in upscale shops, they look at me crazy and ask when I'm 6 inches into the door is there something we can help you with. I say looking for something for the formal and they ask about it. We go through all that questions til eventually name of school get out and they are like oh really its such a good school. SO does that make it okay b/c when I first came in you were ready to push the red button for security?
    People hate us b/c we do what they cannot and we have what some of them can only achieve through years of hard work at a job they hate. They also hate dancers b/c they don't know anything about us and our actual lifestyle. I always hear people talking about dancers this and dancers that and I ask well how many do you know. Answer is almost always none, but I went to a club once. So all the shit you are talking is based on a onetime experience at one place. I hear people talking about it taking two years to save for a cruise that costs $1000. Think about the kinda money that is to a dancer-usually just a couple of extra shifts or staying late when you'd rather cut out early for just a short number of days. It angers people b/c many feel that we have it easy and most people are envious of the money they think we are making. These housewives and square girls know nothing of vice nites, 8.5 in heels, chronic stripper knee and $100 after tipout on a weekend sometimes.
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    yeah, I don't think the public view strippers as being good. in most people's eyes stripppers are either:
    complete prostittues or druggies. you have no idea how many times a guy that i was dancing for asked me to do somethng that i wasnt supposed to do. just today some guy asked me to slip my boob in his mouth and rub all over his crotch. i was like "honey, we dont do that here" he's all "that's okay. you're a stripper, it's what you do" hello? no, i dont think i do that.
    i dont know why people think like this. its just the way it is and the way its always gonna be. too bad since i cant tell my parents that i dance even though i love doing it and its putting me thru school and letting me do all the things i couldnt have done if i wasnt a stripper.
    I don't know how many times dancers who I am friendly with have told me that guys have asked "so.. how much do you cost" during a lap dance. When informed that they don't do that sort of thing, the typical response is "Bull.. youre a stripper. Its what you do". The fact that you dont do it is unfathomable, and that you are just being a bitch to him in his eyes. I wish I could answer why, but I can't.


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    because we do things for money that most women don't do for money, therefore, we will compromise our body and integrity for money

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    because we do things for money that most women don't do for money, therefore, we will compromise our body and integrity for money
    Have you seen the comercials for Girls Gone Wild? :oAnd they're not even getting paid.
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    I think that too (like with other jobs as well) some girls will dance to support a drug habit. And it's easy money in your hand every night/day.

    So is being a waitress, but some clubs will accept a dancer who is "strung out" because she may be a better money maker that way. Boy if thats not support, huh ?

    But then there is drug abuse in every job.

    However i don't think the ladies who come to our clubs and perform illegal activities have made it any easier on a dancers reputation, word does get around.

    I will say one thing that makes me feel good when i think about it, and that is that engineers are labeled "nerds". Lol.

    Not the same thing, i know, but it makes me feel like laughing , since alot of my friends are engineers!

    One freind and i would get joking and heated at times and he would say "stripper", i would yell "nerd". We meant no harm, i wish everyone had an open mind about dancers. We don't sit in our small cubicle and do a line off the desk.

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    I love the percentage factor here...90%???

    Highly unlikely.

    Hell, no one polled me, heh heh!

    I too am in psych, would have been amusing for you to bring up prejudice - prejudgement made without adequate information.
    Stereotryping, and discrimination.

    Unfortunately we are a group that does not have a unified voice - and we constantly battle amongst ourselves over the very meaning of being strippers.

    Do all crimes committed occur within a certain identifiable group? No - but media and such and stereotyping makes it seem that way don't it? Whether it be an economic factor or whatever.

    Are all poor people uneducated? No. Are all poor people of low moral value? No.

    And on that argument goes...

    Prejudice is usually based upon ignorance, MISINFORMATION, fear of the unknown, lack of understanding, etc.

    it makes good copy - i.e. media.


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    Well finally there is a topic I can add to in a significant way since I am an expert on the subject. The subject being the public and I am Joe Average himself.

    I think a big problem with that 90% statement is the fact that they are lumping together strippers and prostitutes. I have told you folks before that until I came here a few weeks ago I never even knew about "extras" and still it seems to me to be sort of a fringe thing that has happened to come into clubs while at the same time most of the dancers, at least the ones here want nothing to do with it.

    An example is Melonie Charm who I know a bit from another forum I go to. While Mel is a well known dancer she is in no way a prostitute and from my experience talking with her I consider her a person with pretty damn strong convictions and moral values. To include prostitutes and dancers in the same group is a slap in the face to all of you ladies who make an honest living helping guys have fun and entertaining them.

    Dancers as I have learned here come in all shapes and forms, (damn nice forms btw), and all colors, religions, and personalities and backgrounds.

    I am an old musician and let me tell you I have been more of a prostitute than dancer could have ever been when I was playing music I hated just to get a paycheck.

    In the end, folks are all just folks. Some of us are one color some another. Some of us have long hair, some short and some have none at all. Some of us dance and some of us provide the music, and others make the products, fight the fires or whatever.

    But in the end we are all just folks.
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    If the question had been asked differently, i.e. what does the general public think of "Showgirls" ? I'm quite certain that a different answer would have resulted. The public still perceives showgirls i.e. Vegas casino dancers, dancers in high end gown clubs etc. as entertainers. Aside from these, the public perceives strippers at lesser clubs as being little more than prostitutes. IMHO this split between high end genuine entertainment versus lower end sex business is following along the same lines as clubs in Europe. Pamela can elaborate, but basically Europe has perhaps 10% of high end clubs which are zero contact and which employ only the most talented and beautiful girls, versus 90% of lesser clubs which in Europe can legally offer sex both onstage and with customers. The "middle ground" clubs in the USA, i.e. neighborhood clubs who will hire girls who are not "Perfect" but which do not offer sex or heavy contact, do not exist in Europe. They already no longer exist in the mind of the US general public either, instead you've got clubs like SCORES and you've got grind palaces. With the changes in the economy and anti-dance club laws, these neighborhood clubs probably won't stay in business too much longer anyhow, bringing the reality of US clubs in line with the general public's impression of what they already are. I forsee that the only significant future difference between European clubs and remaining US clubs is that the sex in US grind clubs will be offered illegally.

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    What other opinion would the GP have on us? We have to take off our clothes to make money for Christs' sake! In case some of you haven't been down to earth in awhile, nudity DOES still offend MOST people. That is the reason WE exist as strippers bc MOST folks don't walk around naked. Sheeesh. I am all for self-esteem, but let's not forget we ARE in a SOB-to different degrees.

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    well, the essence of my point still differentiates nudity as an art form (i.e the "showgirls") versus nudity as an adjunct to sex. The European club situation illustrates this point very completely - after all any european who simply wishes to see nude girls only has to go to the nearest beach. I would wager that most members of the general public think of nudity for "showgirls" in the same vein as nudity for hollywood film actresses, playboy playmates etc. i.e. a legitimate performer employing nudity as an artform. But the general public then draws a dotted line between hollywood film actresses and porno film actresses, between playboy playmates and hustler gyno-centerfolds, and between "showgirls" and strippers. The former are viewed as part of a legitimate entertainment industry, and the latter are viewed as part of the sex business.

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    You know precious does have an interesting point. If the social stigma of stripping for a living was totally gone, it would mean that no one found it taboo, and if the taboo was gone the thrill is gone and the money would be gone too.

    That is why it is more fun to see your neighbors wife sunbathing in a bikini in the back yard when she does not know you are looking than to see a totally nude woman standing openly at a nudist colony. It is just so fun to be naughty!
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    I don't think so. Naked women will always be in style, taboo or not.

    Guys will still prefer to have a drink watching live nude girls than the TV, Guys will still need a place to find entertainment for bachelor parties (or maybe you'd rather go inner tubing down a river or something).

    I think our business needs to be somewhat accepted by society because it means more guys are going to have less of a problem coming in...and bringing friends and co-workers. They won't feel like they are doing something wrong and should be ashamed for going in the first place.

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    I agree Emily that guys will always like naked girls but it will always be at least somewhat Taboo as well.

    And as for inner tubing down a river, no guy who has ever seen the old movie "Deliverance" wants any part of river rafting.
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    We have to take off our clothes to make money for Christs' sake!.



    Have to ???

    some of the best money I ever made dancing was with my clothes on.

    Anyone who HAS TO take their clothes off or do *cough,cough* HJ - needs some help- either more education or job training or detox or whatever.......

    Some of have CHOSEN to but there is a big big big difference.

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    no guy who has ever seen the old movie "Deliverance" wants any part of river rafting
    [rotflmao]

    Unfortunatly most of the girls I've worked with over 3 years of dancing were either drug users and or prostitutes (not saying they were bad human beings), with a few real gems here and there that worked hard and were clean. ???

    Dont know if my encounters can scale to accurate reflection on the counrty... I certainly hope the GP is incorrect in labeling dancers as mostly prostitutes/drug users.


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    i would say where i work now. there is a very small percentage of drug use and very little if any prostitution. maybe im wrong but i think i only know of one girl that sees a few select customers outside. as for the drugs well i see it mostly as not to common in the club but maybe a little partying out of work mostly by the younger girls. i know things have changed alot. in early years with the more contact clubs drugs and alcohol, prostitution were rampant. now the caliber of girl i feel has changed. more students and "normal" girls. with business in mind not drugs and partying.
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    Have to ???

    some of the best money I ever made dancing was with my clothes on.

    Anyone who HAS TO take their clothes off or do *cough,cough* HJ - needs some help- either more education or job training or detox or whatever.......

    Some of have CHOSEN to but there is a big big big difference.
    Well, I think that's out of context. If you're a dancer in a strip club, you pretty much "have to" dance with your clothes off to make money there. It's part of the job description. Like I "have to" do what I'm doing as part of my business - if I went somewhere else, I would "have to" do whatever was needed somewhere else.

    It also sounds like a bit of an indirect slam, and while some of Precious' style is not what I'm looking for in a club, she's never given me the impression that she's undereducated or has a substance abuse problem. I've observed that she'd been pretty solid and well-spoken, whether people like what she says or not.

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    I'm not saying we should break laws!! Heck no. But Melonie is correct, The Us is, in my opinion"tightly wound" when it comes to sexuality.

    Go to Sweden...Lots of excellent Burlesque type shows, and full on sex shows, depending where you hit! They are very open with sex, and homosexuality.

    Here, mention these words, and it seems you have broken the law.

    Two different worlds.

    Speaking of which i am going to the theater tonight, Shit can't remember the name...Again. Nudity.
    It's funny actually, they target a very old crowd mainly!! Totally cool with them.

    Because they see it as art, well dancers are art to me! We do shows, we dress beautiful, and we work a tough crowd! To see a woman dance nude, or partially nude is beautiful! It's the illegal stuff in our clubs that ruins our names.
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    Well, I think that's out of context. If you're a dancer in a strip club, you pretty much "have to" dance with your clothes off to make money there. It's part of the job description. Like I "have to" do what I'm doing as part of my business - if I went somewhere else, I would "have to" do whatever was needed somewhere else.

    It also sounds like a bit of an indirect slam, and while some of Precious' style is not what I'm looking for in a club, she's never given me the impression that she's undereducated or has a substance abuse problem. I've observed that she'd been pretty solid and well-spoken, whether people like what she says or not.

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    Actually there are bikini bars that the girls must at least be in a bikini.So...no you do not "have" to take your clothes off in every strip situation.No one slams anyone here,we are helping each other understand other views and opinions.
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    You know precious does have an interesting point. If the social stigma of stripping for a living was totally gone, it would mean that no one found it taboo, and if the taboo was gone the thrill is gone and the money would be gone too.
    Well, in most areas of the USA, it's now very difficult to sell nudity for its own sake. You CAN sell nudity to upscale customers IF it's connected to something high class - i.e. Vegas showgirls in Billion dollar casinos or multi million dollar show clubs with celebrity customers - AND if the "show" and eye candy is absolutely exceptional i.e. the girls are talented '9's and '10's.

    But you pretty much can't sell nudity for its own sake to average joe sixpack customers in neighborhood clubs anymore - ask any dancer in a city where a no-contact 3 foot distance rule ordinance has gone into effect. Other than the upscale exceptions, average clubs with average looking dancers really are only able to sell one thing these days - sex! It may be the implied promise of sex, it may be pseudo-sex i.e. lap grinding, or it may actually be sex for sale i.e "extras".

    In reality, the ability of neighborhood clubs with average looking dancers to sell nudity without contact to customers started going out as the internet and ppv cable TV started coming in. These clubs were the ones that really depended on the "taboo" of nudity, or more precisely the willingness of customers to spend money to see an average looking girl in the nude, to stimulate business.

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    there is a long thread on a board for adult webmasters asking if anyone there has dated a stripper-almost everyone who has said that 90-95% of strippers have serious emotional issues and drug problems-these are people who work with dancers, or date them so they know what they are talking about-if you want to read the thread let me know and I'll post the url
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    But, Anabolic, those are also the ones who have hooked up with "adult webmasters" for their companionship. That might skew the stats a tad bit.

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