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    Okay.. here comes a vent..
    I work at a club in SF. Obviously SF is very liberal, to say the least, and A LOT goes on.. However, girls at my club constantly complain that money is bad. If you STOP doing extras then maybe guys will want to pay you the money you deserve to simply DANCE for him, instead of expecting something sexual in return! Im SO sick of these cheap ass girls (not that any amount of money should be able to buy a sexual favor IN the club) doing things they shouldnt be doing <sigh> Other than that, I did well tonight and last night! (yay) but still got an unbelievable amount of guys asking for sex.. annoying as all hell! This one azzhole didnt even bother zippinh up his damn pants before leaving the club(another disgusting dance he got from a willing girl).. and I pointed it out to him infront of EVERYONE, hehehehe
    Thanx girls

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    the reason the girls are doing extras is because they can't survive on dances alone. If you are a class act, you don't need to cheapen yourself.

    Don't let the other girls bring you down. Empower yourself by knowing you can make what they are making and you aren't selling yourself like they are. You know theyir lives have to be bad to be doing that sort of thing for money, so I don't hate them. I just feel sorry for them. And there are PLENTY of guys that don't want extras, so you can absolutely compete!

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    well I have to say NCT is in a bad place cuz its stuck in the middle. Kinda like its outta place.From a male perspective its not seen as a clean or extra place so nobody tends to go there. What do I mean? Well check SFredbook.com, it's the place to be. kinda like the anti-SW where johns go to discuss extras. unfortunately its the only place to discuss local stuff cuz yahoo groups are a joke. (NCT doesnt even have one I think)

    Wanna know what guys think about NCT. Nice club, Mgmt treats customers like crap which is expected cuz its run by Deja vu. If they ever get their act together the place would be a niche between MBOT and MSC. Girls are a mixed bag, gems hidden with a lot of ROBs.

    so this is the problem. The club has no brand equity(bad rep) fueled by constant complaints of customers being treated like crap and no successful reports of getting extras. So extra guys don't want to go cuz its uncertain and Non- extra guys like myself don't want to go cuz its uncertain. If more guys posted reports about girls that gave good dances, extras or not, then maybe I would try it out. The only quality girls that everyone recommends are vanessa(miss nude sf), whisper, micky and letha. I know some of those girls give extras but it doesn't matter to me, I'm more concerned wether you're gonna totally rip me when we go upstairs to the fantasy rooms i.e. give you 60 plus 20 meter fee and you give a me a total air dance with no contact and short me on time.

    Oh yeah did I mention the pricing structure really sucks too! Not your fault though, its just everywhere else metered private booths last twice as long, and the regular laps are higher than any place too.
    whats a PL to do?

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    oh yeah, went all up in my rant and I didn't finish up. All this adds to up to this. It keeps out non-extra guys and RB brothers and informed extra guys out. This leaves a bunch of uninformed/stupid guys bugging BebE for extras. If everyone knew she was DDE( I know every DDE girl at MBOT and so does everyone else) they wouldn't bother nearly as much.I know she shouldn't have to be in propsitioned in an SC in the first place but thats a world we have to work on.
    whats a PL to do?

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    I have PMed you.. this topic got a little too club-personal

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    I heard about the short meter times too, but as long as they don't have "booth pimps" it could still be ok.

    I know there are a lot of people that don't like NCT, but I have a LOT of regulars that also go to NCT and like it. I don't know, maybe there is some connection between the Lusty and NCT?

    Emily, in S.F. it seems that the majority of club goers are thinking "Extras". Even at the place I work (Lusty Lady), I get guys that think they get to come in and have sex with me once the $20 is in the meter, hehe. I even get guys that start pushing on the glass like it's supposed to come down and let them into my side of the pleasure booth. Also, I get tourist that come from around the world just to visit MBOT (and of course Lusty Lady sometimes). So, NCT can't help it when it's located 2 blocks away from MBOT.

    Kaiya (at the Lusty Lady San Francisco)

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    Even at the place I work (Lusty Lady), I get guys that think they get to come in and have sex with me once the $20 is in the meter, hehe. I even get guys that start pushing on the glass like it's supposed to come down and let them into my side of the pleasure booth. Kaiya (at the Lusty Lady San Francisco)
    see now that is just so f'ck up [frustrated]
    I mean some men actually try to force down walls to get at a dancer... they are really so sick to think that $20 ENTITLES them to sex.....


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    Bebebabies is right. It is because of these women that you've got guys looking for extras as well as all the other jerk things they do. If you reward impropriety you get more impropriety.
    You now know why guys are so confused.
    Just assert your position and let them go looking elsewhere.

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    Dreamer, I agree with you in principle, but in the real world I have to agree with Coolshot. It's highly likely that any girl who offers significantly less 'action' than is available from most other dancers in the club will eventually wind up earning very little. Bebebabies may have done well during her "honeymoon period" at a new club, but club customers do remember and they also talk to each other. Once word gets around amongst the customers that private dances with Bebebabies include minimal 'action', club customers won't need to spend $20 on a private dance with her to find out for themselves.

    I agree that the sleaze factor in SF clubs is totally beyond my personal standards for good taste (not judging others here, just my own 'dotted line'), and almost always involves activities which are beyond the law as well. However, the customer expectations are well established, law enforcement is virtually non-existant, and plenty of fantastic looking girls are very willing to provide what the SF customers expect (and the ONLY thing they are willing to pay for in the long run).

    A 'clean' dancer in a 'dirty' club is guaranteed to have marginal earnings once the "honeymoon" is over and customers all discover what they won't be getting for their money. When virtually every club in the city is a 'dirty' club, it's virtually impossible for a 'clean' dancer to survive there financially. It's really sad that things have degenerated to this point in SF, but unfortunately you can't just wish away the real world facts of the situation.

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    There are clubs in the area that do enforce strict tips on hips or no touch rules and they are surviving. They may not make the kind of money the "extras" clubs make but they adhear to the law.
    The question of dignity really refines down to , at what price do you sell out?
    I guess that's the question in business as well as your personal relationships.

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    There are clubs in the area that do enforce strict tips on hips or no touch rules and they are surviving. They may not make the kind of money the "extras" clubs make but they adhear to the law.
    The question of dignity really refines down to , at what price do you sell out?
    I guess that's the question in business as well as your personal relationships.

    yes, I agree that a certain segment of clubs can continue to make money under strict enforcement of restrictive anti-dance club laws. This segment is the upscale show clubs, which can offer extreme eye candy with no contact to upscale business and celebrity customers. However, upscale show clubs in general "cut out" 90% of dancers from the possibility of working in this legal and profitable environment, since upscale show clubs are usually extremely selective in regard to the appearance, presentation and skills of dancers they will hire. If you happen to be one of the 9 girls turned away by the upscale show club versus the 1 girl hired, you are then facing a situation of earning peanuts by dancing legally in a neighborhood club, or earning great money but working illegally in a high contact club.

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    Melanie, all true and well however, I was agreeing with Bebebabyz statement that the reason you have guys looking for extras is because they know there are girls that will provide them. Sorry if they get confused determining which one you are .
    What value you place upon the law, your dignity ,your status is up to you. I know some clubs won't hire you unless you give extras. To some, surrendering their dignity may seem the simple way to go. It takes guts to maintain a high standard. I could say that the only way I could get rich was by selling drugs. If I want to discard my self respect then that's my choice.
    It's actually the choice you make in any facet of your life. You choose the path you follow. I think this ends our discussion.

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    one point still seems to escape you - your point that "you choose the path you follow" only applies to the 10% of all dancers who will be given the opportunity by upscale clubowners to work in a legal no contact environment and still be able to earn decent money. The other 90% of dancers who cannot make it past the audition at upscale clubs usually have a much different choice ... either deliver "extras" or dance and earn less money than working as a checkout clerk at WalMart. Your statement implies that all dancers have a "moral" choice open to them. Unfortunately, only the top 10% of dancers who have the easily available alternative of a no contact show club open to them can make this choice on "moral" grounds. For 90% of dancers in this situation, the choice is not a "moral" one but one of survival i.e. paying rent, feeding kids etc.

    Your failure to acknowledge this point is elitist, and presumptive that girls in the 90% majority who do not have the decent earnings potential no contact show club option open to them somehow willingly choose to offer "extras" out of greed, lack of self-respect and lack of "guts". In point of fact, many of these girls would not willingly choose to offer "extras" if there was any alternative available to them which would even come close to paying for the necessities of life for themselves and their families.

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    Melonie:

    Let's not forget that this path called life began a LONG time before a girl sets foot in our clubs. There was the path which led away from studying, which led away from pursuing that job at Wal-Mart, or OTHER sectors of our capitalist society in an effort to help supplement existing student loan programs--I know, because I waitressed to help the school bills before dancing, the path which led to unwanted pregnancies, to lost relationships, etc., etc., etc... This path (and how we follow it) is what defines us. I refuse to believe that 90% of dancers out there are victims of an industry--any industry. This is a big country, and if those girls feel there is no "alternative available to them", then Darwin was right, and unless they take a long hard look in the mirror, they will never achieve REAL independence for themselves and their families, regardless of getting the bills paid.

    I thought this board was tired of the extras debate, yet the anti-extra sentiment keeps re-surfacing, only thinly veiled as other topics. Why can't folks let it go?

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    Out here it's not as simple as saying, "guys look for extras because girls provide them". Melonie is right when she says that the choices are limited out here for dancers. Add to that the very high cost of living, slow economy, glut of clubs, and lax law enforcement and you get a very extras friendly club scene with plenty of extras girls.

    If you're not a 10 in looks out here, making money in a regular no contact clubs may not bring in enough to survive in the long run.

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    you know, this is funny to me. Im sorry if I offend anyone. I worked at a really "extra friendly" club for a while. The WHOLE time I was there I wasnt even breaking a hundred most of the time. Meanwhile, other girls were. I was told many times that the reason someone didnt want a dance is because I wasnt "dancing like her", or other things. You know, many nights I walked out with about 30 dollars. I have to agree with Precious that no one is forcing you to dance. There are MANY MANY MANY options available to you. All it is based on is if you are willing to put forth the effort to go after those options. Whether it is financial aid for school, or even government help. You cant honestly tell me that there is no other option in an extras dominate club. There are always ways to survive if you try. You just have to have the drive to overcome. All of those 30 dollar nights got me down , yes, but i NEVER let it bring me down to the level of doing more than dancing. I am a dancer, not a prostitute. I too have a child, bills to pay, so I know how hard a week of crappy money is. Im just saying that there are ALWAYS other options. If you just say screw it and give in, then you are weak. I am not directing this towards anyone, just stating my opinion on the subject.

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    I agree with Precious and Mia, having recently made the decision myself not to dance in this environment anymore.

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    Well, there are obviously other options - no girl is in a situation where she actually has no choice other than to offer extras even in cities where extras are the norm. But the options all involve MAJOR life changes.

    If a girl has pre-existing financial or family responsibilities, and if the girl does not have professional job qualifications as a result of previous college, those other options typically involve working a full time 'straight' job for $6-$8 per hour plus government assistance programs.

    There is also always the option of returning to college via student loans. However, this path "digs a big financial hole" and depends on the assumption that 2-4 years from now the demand for new college graduates will be sufficiently high that she can indeed find a professional job which will cover normal costs of living plus student loan payments. Of course, working as a waitress while going to school does minimize the "depth" of the financial hole. On the other hand, this option is extremely difficult if a girl has family responsibilities.

    A girl also has the option of picking up and moving to a different city or state where extras are NOT the norm. This is really the only option which still involves dancing as her source of income. Again, this option requires a big sacrifice if other family members are involved.

    Please don't get me wrong. I am not advocating that 'extras' are an acceptable practice. But I am saying that in cities where the club culture has degenerated to the point were 'extras' are the norm, it's rather unfair and elitist to assume that girls who are less than '10's are going along with 'extras' out of greed, lack of self-respect, or lack of guts.

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    Good for you MiaBlue. Personal integrity and personal value - no one could ever force me - economic or otherwise to sell either of those two traits.
    They didnt call her Gypsy Rose for nothing, move to a better club. Move to a clean club, move.
    Again, just MY opinion.
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    The sad truth is that this is happening in all clubs.The club owners are'nt going to do anything about it .They make too much money off those girls.It's up to the girls to correct the problem but too many of them are afraid to loose their jobs. This crap is just getting rediculous.It just ticks me off that we should even have to talk about this problem.It shouldn't exist in our clubs period!
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    I hate to be a meanie, but I think the customers are to blame too.

    See, a lot of girls are 18, 19....very young and easily pressured. I've seen some of these guys doing it, this breaking ritual that they have.

    "I've got what you came here for.....do you have something for me, you filthy slut?"

    or men that won't pay the girl unless she performs extras. Often times, management won't even stick up for her. I have seen this stuff in VERY upscale clubs. Especially if the customer is a repeat with a lot of money. Less and less people have money these days. Sometimes those that do excercise their power of the girls who don't. It's disheartening, and I find I can't hate these girls.

    "Don't hate the player, hate the game."
    BULLSHIT. I offer no apologies. Because I have been caught in those fucked up situations too, when I was 18. I am more quick to come down on an asshole customer than a girl who thinks these asses are her whole livelihood. It isn't getting any easier, girls.

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    Takes two to tango, certainly.

    I'm certain there are customers who successfully pressure dancers to do things that otherwise wouldn't be done. That shouldn't happen, but youth and gullibility play into it for the dancers, I'm sure.

    I'm also certain that there are well-behaved customers who are surprised by the level of aggressiveness that they see sometimes and get their hands put at places that they never would've touched on their own. (I'm one of them.)

    I don't hate anyone for any of it. If a customer wants to play loose with the rules and he gets his ass bounced or face slapped, I don't feel sorry for him. If a dancer wants an enhanced business for enhanced service and finds herself fired or shunned, she had to know she was running the risk. And I'm not going to get a lap dance in a place that looks like it's running in the top spot for the "Soon To Be Busted" trophy.

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    You know, it always could happen either way. Jason, I think your stance with girls is really cool. Woulda loved chilling with you, especially in Houston. And while you are excluded from this, I'm sure the girls who are overly agressive with you had a humiliating, dehumanizing experience in the very beginning.

    Women are harder on each other than any species, it seems. The most persnickity are dancers. I was hoping to maybe bring that to light....so maybe there would be something to consider if one dancer wanted to totally go off on a girl who was giving too much.

    Maybe it would be the better person who talked to this girl privately. But Bluntly. Everybody deserves the benefit of the doubt to at least not be completely humiliated.....when it's addressed that way, I see it as a girl trying to prove something.But that's just me...I believe thing like this separate the ladies from the cruel women.

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    OK, NOWWWWW I get it!!!

    "We're all tired of the extras issue...Why don't we make this a FAQ for newbies so we don't have to talk about it again?...Let's not give the sluts who do xtras anymore chances to talk about this issue..."

    --sure, UNLESS you have something to say AGAINST extras, then we can bring it up again and again and again. OK, so be it. Don't any of you guys suggest this subject is taboo anymore, because the "anti" crowd has declared it not so.

    Symone:

    You are giving Bob a LD in corner, and he gets three from you. I am giving Bill a HJ in corner two, and he is paying me the same amount. (And to all you red cross workers out there, he has a condom on, and their is no exchange of fluids) Question: How is management making money off of me, but not you? It IS part of the club culture, so deal with it--or else do something about it--hell, call your paper and tell them about the KC bust! Look, there is a LOT we like about this work--hours, lack of enforcement of SOME rules, and relatively easy/good money (good nights). There are things we don't like about it also--hours, lack of enforcement of OTHER rules, and unstable income patterns (bad nights). But you know what? Almost everything in life is a balance, and there are very few jobs that are "all good". If you don't like something at your club, either change it--yes, even at your own economic risk-- or get out. One way or the other, just do it! : )

    Juliette:

    PLEASE don't assume that because a dancer gives extras that she has had a humiliating or dehumanizing experience early on. Guess what working in a strip club is to MOST of the women out there? Yep, the result of childhood abuse, or some other humiliating/dehumanizing experience. Hell, they see dancing itself as such an experience. You know what? You are BOTH wrong. If I go further with a few regulars for extra money, it is because I have a tremendous POWER over these guys to make them give up money pretty damn easily. I am in control. I set the limits. NO ONE calls me a filthy slut, nor do any of the guys that I know are SUCCESSFULY getting extras in clubs. None of the girls I know doing them would put up with that crap. Even the most moronic of neanderthals know that they won't get far in a club with THAT kind of abusive behavior. And believe me, they will chose the path of behavior that gets them what they want. (Good dog!) These guys have made it far enough to do pretty well on the outside! : )

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    If I go further with a few regulars for extra money, it is because I have a tremendous POWER over these guys to make them give up money pretty damn easily.
    That is not power- it is the easiest and laziest way to earn money in a club. That is light years behind real feminine power.

    I know you explained that extras are accepted in your club- that still doesn't make it legal- and the constant and flagrant braking of laws cause dancers everywhere- in every club and city problems. IN CLUB extras have had a major role in the overall decline of the industry.
    If a dancer can't earn what she needs or wants to without extras such as HJ- she is in the wrong business. And if it is just a matter of wanting more $- take it out of the club or work for an agency or go to a legal brothel. To stay in the clubs turning tricks is just lazy and selfish.
    If you're so comfortable prostituting yourself then why not just be an escort ? Or at the very least make arrangements to do your tricks outside of the club. If you're doing it in the club for security purposes then hire a bouncer.

    There is no valid reason for in club extras. The extra money a dancer can make with tricks can still be made. You can still meet and screen clients in the club. Security for yourself can be easily arranged. And the legal risks for you and the john are much lower. And not that an extras dancer gives a rats ass about anyone else( if they did they wouldn't be doing in club extras in the first place) but the risk for others around you are eliminated as well.


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