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    George Will, an op-ed columnist for the Washington Post, recently wrote an editorial specifically mentioning lap dances in light of the Supreme Court decision on striking down sodomy laws as an invasion of privacy.

    He was talking about LA trying to regulate lap dances out of existence. He said if you want to challenge the new law, forget the free expression argument. Go with the privacy argument. Under the present Supreme Court ruling, it shouldn't even be a close call.

    I saw that editorial and couldn't help but think of you all. :-)

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    Sodomy laws ?

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    Anal sex, Pam. Jeez, is it still illegal?


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    I think the argument brought up would be about, what goes on in private between two consenting adult's that they both agree too is there business and no one else's. Of coarse that would also leave a large gray area for the allowance of extra's without penetration though wouldn't it ??


    Sodomy is actually anything other then coital sex between two people of the opposite sex IE; anal, oral, Hand job's ect.

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    George Will, an op-ed columnist for the Washington Post, recently wrote an editorial specifically mentioning lap dances in light of the Supreme Court decision on striking down sodomy laws as an invasion of privacy.

    He was talking about LA trying to regulate lap dances out of existence. He said if you want to challenge the new law, forget the free expression argument. Go with the privacy argument. Under the present Supreme Court ruling, it shouldn't even be a close call.

    I saw that editorial and couldn't help but think of you all. :-)
    The essence of the Supreme Court ruling was privacy in ones own home - and the cases did stem from what to guys were doing within their own homes.

    Justifing "privacy" issues might be real tough in a place of business and commerce.

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    what about a members only club?


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    ohhhhhhhhhh, so when I give my b/f a blowjob I'm a sodomizer? Learn something new everyday!

    ooops! how did I screw up the quote?


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    The privacy issue is what created the "lap dance booth" . Private is private and cannot be limited to a persons residence. The "privacy" argument just got alot more valid. Also note that "consenting ADULTS" doesn not mean just TWO. It's plural and can mean 100.

    Bob is right that this does (or could) affect what is legal in a private dance. Some "extras" may now have the backing of legal precedent.

    Its amazing how many people do NOT know that Anal/Oral sex is (was) illegal in parts of the US. Sexually active Gay and lesbians were effectively Criminals in Texas prior to this ruling.
    14 years working in Strip Clubs. "What a long strange trip it's been"

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    You cut off a " ] " so the quote didn't read right to the program.

    To your question, yes, in theory you perform an illegal act giving oral sex in some state's in the union. The same goes for anal sex which doesn't have to be performed by member's of the same sex. Quite a few legislator's have fought these law's due to the fact that they themselves are gay or open minded enough to know that these law's are extremely bias and prejudice.

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    The privacy issue is what created the "lap dance booth" . Private is private and cannot be limited to a persons residence. The "privacy" argument just got alot more valid. Also note that "consenting ADULTS" doesn not mean just TWO. It's plural and can mean 100.

    Bob is right that this does (or could) affect what is legal in a private dance. Some "extras" may now have the backing of legal precedent.

    Its amazing how many people do NOT know that Anal/Oral sex is (was) illegal in parts of the US. Sexually active Gay and lesbians were effectively Criminals in Texas prior to this ruling.
    Wulf - what is private in a place of business or commerce is effected by different laws and strictures, if I recall right. A private booth in a SC certainly can be strongly argued as being different from the privacy of ones own bedroom. I doubt that even the most liberal judge would lump them together.

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    Is a Motel room private? An Apartment? or even the bathroom at the local 7-11?

    The fact that the Supreme Court says that Anal and Oral Sex is now "Legal" in private and between consenting adults cannot be limited to a residence.

    14 years working in Strip Clubs. "What a long strange trip it's been"

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    Is a Motel room private? An Apartment? or even the bathroom at the local 7-11?

    The fact that the Supreme Court says that Anal and Oral Sex is now "Legal" in private and between consenting adults cannot be limited to a residence.
    That's your opinion Wulf. I would like to know what judges think, especially when money is involved.

    If you pay for someone to have sex with you in the privacy in your own home, that is still Prostitution under the law. The Prostitution statutes trump any privacy concerns in this regard.

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    Given the same context, what is done in a lap dance legally is without a doubt, in your own home or private area where ever it may be. It will always be legal to give a lap dance at home with your S/O, stranger's even people of the same sex.... So I would doubt that this law would have a great impact on the lap dance law's.

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    I have to agree with John that there might now be grounds for an insane argument that dancers should be allowed to give away for free HJ's and BJ's in the "privacy" of a lap dance booth, VIP room etc. However, once you add the element of commerce and payment for services rendered, you've got an entirely different animal. The court decision said nothing whatsoever about it being legal for one consenting adult to pay money and another consenting adult to receive money in exchange for performing a sex act - that's prostitution in every state in the union. The court decision basically said to the states that they do not have the right to legislate acceptable and unacceptable behavior between two consenting adults in a private setting. However, the court decision went nowhere near denying states the right to legislate against sex for money as an illegal business enterprise.

    If there are any actual "industry" beneficiaries of this court ruling it will be escorts, who will now have a very defendable argument that they receive pay in exchange for companionship and that any sex acts which take place between an escort and her customer without additional payment in the privacy of a hotel room cannot be prosecuted as prostitution. This has always been a problematic defense in the past, and should be much easier now in light of the Supreme Court precedent.

    Hotel rooms (even those rented by the hour) and Apartments are both variants of a landlord/tenant contract, under which the tenant is granted rights to privacy and the landlord is restricted from barging in unannounced. I suppose it would be technically possible for a club to get a "hotel license" and actually rent vip rooms to customers by the hour the same as the 1 hour motels do. However, this would mean that club managers and bouncers would NOT be allowed to enter the VIP room while it was being rented for any reason other than those reasons which allow a landlord to enter a tenant's space (probable cause of a crime being committed like screaming and banging noises, smoke or water emerging from the door etc.) In this scenario it would still be illegal for the girl to accept additional money in exchange for sex acts, but she could legally give them away for free if she "consented" to do so!

    This could directly lead to something like a $1000 per hour VIP rental fee, with the girl perhaps receiving $750 for her time/companionship and the club as "landlord" receiving $250, with clear expectations that any girl who went into the VIP room with a customer was willing to "consent" to providing sex acts without additional payment, and with further understanding that as long as blood curdling screams were not audible outside the VIP room that club managers or bouncers could not enter for any reason until the contracted hour's rental had elapsed. If this were to come to pass, it would give an entirely new definition to lap dancing as we know it. Unfortunately, it would also effectively terminate the careers of those dancers who were not willing to "consent" while in the VIP room with a customer. Ironically, it would also then be legal to smoke in the VIP room if it was "rented" under some sort of one hour landlord/tenant contract, even if a law exists which bans smoking in public places.

    On the down side, such a one hour landlord/tenant contract for the VIP room would also require the club to ask for and record the customer's real name, address and phone number as is required under hotel/motel law - I'm sure that would have a real positive effect on 3 piece suit business guys, right ? Legal proof that he spent an hour with an exotic dancer in a totally private setting at a strip club! Talk about divorce settlement material!

    The Limo Party business, however, should also be able to take advantage of this new Supreme Court precedent without these drawbacks, since a rented Limo is a private vehicle requiring the same probable cause of a crime being committed in order for police or anyone else to further investigate inside the vehicle but NOT requiring any recording of personal info (as long as it is chauffeured). This is actually a much more realistic alternative than the rented VIP room for clubs, since no hotel/motel licensing or tenant info recording requirements would apply. The club might charge $500 per half hour for rental of a chauffeured limo, and kick back $350 to the dancer for her services as a 'guide' during the customer's 'tour'. As long as no additional payments took place between the dancer and customer during the limo ride itself, it should now be 100% legal for the dancer to "consent" to give the customer a HJ, BJ, or even FS. Of course, this would also greatly shorten the dancing careers of girls who are not willing to "consent" while acting as 'tour guides'.

    I think I'll look into whether there are any publicly traded companies that specialize in selling/renting limos - should be one very profitable investment once club owners figure out this "loophole" now exists.

    Before speculating too deeply on this or any other subject, beware of the law of unintended consequences !!!

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    Thats what i meant by "Sodomy Laws"!
    Been going on forever! Same sex partners and not. It's still sodomy.
    Thats what gets me.
    Besides that.....exchange of monies makes it prostitution. Not good. (club talk).

    Thanks SupperStripper, i was being sarcastic. And found the article rather strange, odd and quite 'funny'.

    In clubs no go, out in the open no way, but at home in the privacy of your house some states have been cool with sodomy, others will nail you. Seems they target 'same sex partners more often'. I love sodomy!!! And practice it often. Not in the 'mean sense'.
    Pamela

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    Thanks SupperStripper, i was being sarcastic. And found the article rather strange, odd and quite 'funny'.
    lol I wasn't sure with you being from Sweden and all


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    Thanks,
    No i know all the 'sex talk'. Hell, i have to being a phone sex operator for one of the largest companies in the Us.. I get all these words thrown at me, and better know what i am talking about.

    I have a terminology book of "hardcore sex talk". Lol

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