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    I read Playboy. I thought I liked playboy... then I read the How to Avoid Stripclub Scams article and they all but say dancers are lying cheating theives. Like we're ALL terrible. Number 7 says "Watch her hands too":.. "As the dancers circle you, stare into your eyes and grind against your knee, they are thinking about where you keep your money. If they see you taking $20 bills out of a shirt pocket or jacket pocket, it would be tempting indeed for them to reach in and grab the wad of cash themselves. Especially if you're drunk. Keep money in a wallet and keep the wallet in a front pocket. "
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    I would guess that Playboy is subtly trying to distance themselves from strippers. This is a big change from their stance of 2-3 years ago when they featured the 'Bada Bing' a.k.a. NJ's Satin Dolls club and dancers in a Sopranos photo layout. However, Playboy never publicized the fact that any of their models had been strippers, not even Anna Nicole Smith. Of course, Playboy is based in California, and in the last 2-3 years there has been a big change in the public perception of stripping in that state - the Anna Nicole Smith trial, new strip club laws, anti-dance club sword rattling by some politicians etc. I would guess that Playboy is just covering their butts in case the California anti-dance club rhetoric rises a few notches in the near future.

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    That's bad. Majority of readers are men, majority of strip club goers are men......we have enough bad stereotypes. They don't need to be fed any further. You will find thieves in any business. The guys are the ones who want more from us for nothing.
    Was that a recent issue? My subscription ran out about 6 months ago and I have not renewed, now I won't renew for sure!

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    I saw this before - it 's ridiculous the way they try to portray strippers a bunch of money-grubbing sharks. More often than not it's CUSTOMERS trying to get more from dancers without paying. This type of negative publicity will only drive some morons to do it more because they'll be thinking how Playboy just confirmed their suspicions that all dancers are only trying to steal their money! AARRGG!!!!!!!! [flaming]

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    PheobesMeow might be making reference to the Playboy website. Here is the article in question. It came out back in early February. We had a length discussion of it over on the 'blue site'.

    http://www.playboy.com/livinginstyle...ams/index.htmx

    I get the print edition and there was a SMALL article (about one-sixth of a page) on the same subject which mentioned something that the web article didn't. These cases of getting ripped off are the exception. I agree with the general premise of the article, but I thought it was a little condesending in tone to its readers, as there wasn't an item on that list that I didn't already know about. That and, there are a lot of other scams that they DIDN'T list.
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    Not sure why they think a customer ALWAYS intends to get a dancer wasted. If I'm at a club with a drink hustle, I'm not going to have delusions of my gals slipping into inebrated nymphomania if she has one too many root beers. And if she IS that drunk, I'd rather she not sit with me in the first place.
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    They came into Scores last year, scouting girls for a "Women of Scores" special feature, so I doubt that they could sincerely wish to distance themselves from the industry.
    Also, I have appeared in a couple of Playboy's Newsstand Specials, and while I never divulged the fact that I have stripped, they didn't exactly scour my background for such info., either.
    A high percentage of the girls in their mags, are strippers. I , personally, know at least 25-30 from the strip-club industry.
    DON"T BELIEVE THE HYPE!!

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    Juliet, like they did with Satin Dolls a.k.a. The Soprano's Bada Bing club, Playboy could capitalize on SCORES famous name and celebrity customers and associations. It's also not out of the question that SCORES management might have thrown 1000 of of those $240 a night stage fees towards Playboy to encourage the creation of a SCORES feature which would promote their club to exactly the sort of upscale customers they cultivate - Playboy subscribers. Either way, I'm sure you'll admit that SCORES and Satin Dolls appeared in Playboy because they had much more going for them besides the mere fact that they are strip clubs, and that 99.9% of strip clubs stand zero chance of garnering Playboy's attention without the high profile show business/celebrity associations that these two clubs have. Also, these clubs weren't anywhere near California, where Playboy is now based.

    I'll also readily agree with you that a large portion of the girls that appear in Playboy (other than as Playmates) do indeed have a background in exotic dancing. However, from talking with girls I've known who have appeared in Playboy's 'specials' or on their website, the dancing associations are totally not mentioned. Obviously Playboy knows that strip clubs exist and that girls who work in them make for excellent pictures. However, I'm also sure that Playboy has little desire to for active associations with strip clubs or with well known strippers, as is abundantly evident from Playboy's total lack of support for Anna Nicole Smith from the first second her marriage hit the headlines and with the publishing of a few articles catering to the seemier side of stripping i.e. Mitchell Brothers, which has the exact opposite image of SCORES.

    Also, don't underestimate the brewing political anti-dance club situation in California, which IMHO Playboy is fiercly trying to avoid being caught in the middle of. There have been many 'issues' in the past where Playboy has actively taken a side and actively lent legal and financial support to one side of a particular cause via tha Playboy Foundation. However, on the issue of California strip clubs, Playboy is conspicuously absent.

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    My cousin was a stylist for Playboy years ago. She told me of a few girls that would try to hide their stripping jobs. Few would make it to centerfold because someone would spill the beans on them. They were even working on one girls Centerfold pics--the fold out portion which is done after the main story pics on the girl--and she was cancelled as a centerfold after a girl she worked with called Playboy to see how she was doing. whoops!

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    So do they do background checks to see if a potential centerfold is a stripper? Sounds a more than a bit ridiculous to me!

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    This is funny, I just finished posting my observations concerning Playboy's hypocritical attitude towards details of the female anatomy in Body Issues, and here is this thread!

    I would wager that for the last several years, a very sizeable, if not the vast majority of Playboy centerfolds have been dancers, a fact which Playboy would of course rather not be known. The magazine lost all trace of gonads long ago.

    Similarly, the Hawaiian Tropic pageants are largely filled with dancers, which fact the owner is less worried about hiding but avoids publicizing. He likes to style himself as the "Hugh Hefner of the East". In recent years there was a great deal of collaboration between Tropic and Playboy. Which means that many Playboy Playmates have probably been videotaped without their knowledge in the bathroom.

    I have seen the cutout in the closet adjoining a bathroom, in an older home owned by HT, where a 2-way mirror was placed, and a camera set up. There was a similar cut-out in the master bath, though I did not personally see this one. A woman friend of mine who was a caretaker of the house picked the lock on this spare bedroom, and actually saw the camera on the tripod. If Ron Rice would go to this much trouble in an older home, imagine the accomodations for video recording in his multi-million dollar custom beach home, built shortly later.
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    I read the article at the link Dr Catfish put up. It seems to be the same article that PhoebesMeow was talking about (that item 7 thing).

    I can understand a lot of you ladies are irked at Playboy as it is because of the California thing (not living there, I'm completely ignorant about the issue). And the article was a little condescending.

    But keep it mind, it was clearly written for "partygoers", not regular customers. A lot of guys who have not been to clubs before are completely clueless, and a small but active minority of unscrupulous dancers take advantage of them. The term ROB didn't come from some customer's imagination - this stuff, and much worse, does in fact happen. Not in all clubs, and certainly not with all dancers. But us customers have to talk and protect ourselves from predators, just like the dancers do. No point in ripping on Playboy for doing so, even if they have plenty to answer for otherwise.
    This is where the catchy witticisms go. Forgive me if I'm too jaded to cough one up. If you must have one, may I suggest Bartlett's Familiar Quotations: http://education.yahoo.com/reference/bartlett/

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    Wow, after that article I've decided not to patronize stripclub's anymore ..... and hell the nicer one's sound the scariest ???

    Given enough rope with that mantality, and I'd be afraid to leave the bedroom no less the house !!!!!

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    Yeah they made it sound like most or all dancers do this type of thing, not just a few!

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    Oh, it gets better. Prepare yourselves!

    http://www.playboy.com/features/guy101/scores/

    On their same "guy 101" page, there is a link telling the guys how to date a dancer from the Scores stripclub!

    So, not only are these women going to rip you off, but they are ELIGIBLE FOR DATES. Noooo, none of them are really there to work, especially the single girls.

    Playboy is just a load of hypocritical crap. And I'm pretty sure Scores greased someone's palm to get that article printed.

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    Amen, Nightrider!

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    Now, now, y'all, do you really think that anything written in Playboy is going to dissuade the guys that "read" it from going to strip clubs?

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    Now, now, y'all, do you really think that anything written in Playboy is going to dissuade the guys that "read" it from going to strip clubs?
    It won’t dissuade them from going. However, there are enough stupid men who either will buy into the stripper stereotypes in the article, or have their already existent stereotypical mindset reinforced. There is enough "strippers are trying to rip us off" sentiment without Playboy adding fuel to the fire.

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    Customer: "No way.. I read about you guys in Playboy. You will try to steal my money"

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    Many of the posters here seem to think the article unfairly maligns strippers. But except for point #7, these all seem like good points to me.

    What's wrong with warning customers about
    1. Higher than average atm fees.
    2. Non-alcoholic drinks for dancers.
    3. Non-alcoholic drinks for patrons.
    4. Planning not to buylapdances is probably not a good idea.
    5. Settle prices up front.
    6. Dancers will expect to be paid for unsolicited lap dances.


    Like most businesses, strip clubs will try to make as much money as they can. Anyone planning to buy a used car would be well advised to know the tricks of the trade. Same thing with strip clubs. Caveat emptor!

    Which brings me to another point. Certain businesses have unfavorable reputations for taking advantage of customers. Example: used car salesmen, perhaps wall street investment houses now?

    In the minds of many, strip clubs would seem to also fall into this category. Is this reputation unfair? Or well-deserved?

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    Well ladies, I wouldn't take one silly article to heart, particularly from a magazine ran by a man who seems to actually think that those eight teenage girlfriends he has actually like him. Hef's kinda gotten rather pathetic since his wife moved out. Someone needs to tap the ol' geezer on the shoulder and make him realize it isn't 1972 anymore.

    But I digress.

    Anyway, if you're feeling that Playboy is putting strippers down as theiving, money-grubbing, drug addicted harlots while their centerfolds are white as snow, perhaps the following articles will be of interest.

    http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_341032.html

    http://www.phillymag.com/Archives/20...prodigy_1.html

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/ebridges1.html
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    He's gotten real pathetic lately! Still, I don't think Playboy's dissassociation from strippers has much if anything to do with California's legal system. Playboy always has stressed the girl next door fantasy; this fantasy is what their customers have come to expect. While it may seem hypocritical to feature strippers in the mag and then pretend they aren't, is it really any different than the harmless deceptions strippers use to create a fantasy in the club?

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    Playboy has to keep it's reputation. And will do so i am sure. But, people are not perfect. Just look at the women before a shoot, you would not recognize them! And it's only fantasy. I would not take the magazine serious. articles are ok, pictures are sooooo air brushed.

    Hell they take strippers, and house wives. There is a form to fill out as a matter of fact, send in some pictures, and if they like, they contact you.

    I see it as just another wank off mag. for teenage boys, like what i grew up with. Nothing more.

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    Now, now, y'all, do you really think that anything written in Playboy is going to dissuade the guys that "read" it from going to strip clubs?
    Heh, heh...good point...for me I guess the opposite is true...while I still am a Playboy subscriber (OMG, I just realized I have 10 years worth of Playboy magazines in the Porn Wing of my home!!!), I stopped "reading the articles" around the same time I started hitting the nudie bars. Why "ohh" and "ahh" over a picture in the magazine when you can have the real thing sitting in your lap? These days, I spend about 5 minutes thumbing through every new magazine and then throw it in a pile.

    As far as this particular column is concerned however, I'm with luke...there's some good advice there for the average newbie....hell, there's good advice for the not-so-newbies...it's good to be reminded of the these things every now and then.
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    Playboy HAS gone down. So much so I will never pick up one again. From now on I am turning to the gritty, hard hitting journalism of "Juggs" Magazine.

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    hey John, now you're talking MY language!

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    Oh, it gets better. Prepare yourselves!

    Playboy is just a load of hypocritical crap. And I'm pretty sure Scores greased someone's palm to get that article printed.
    I don't doubt that fact for a second, Nawty (that SCORES paid handsomely to have this article published)! The whole article sounds like a commercial to entice well to do nerds to stop by and drop several thousand dollars at SCORES with no expectations. Hey, at least they're putting those exorbitant stage fees to productive use!

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