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    Does this job objectify women? Do the women invite the objectification? If so, does that make it OK?

    Personally, I don't feel objectified. I feel like an individual artist. Maybe on stage I feel more objectified than doing private dances, but still it does not bother me.

    Just thinking about the arguements I hear, like the industry promotes the objectification of women and the narrow-minded societal idealization of thin+ large breasts= beauty. Any thoughts?

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    I hear this argument ALL the time from the feminist groups on my campus. We're just being treated like objects, we're doing this because deep down we all feel like men are dominant, blah blah blah. I think it's a giant load of bull. I don't consider stripping a form of objectification any more than I consider my acting as such. It's all entertainment to me; for some girls it can be a harmful experience, but for me it's all about the show. And if society only wanted skinny little sticks with huge racks, then us short curvy girls would have quit loooong ago.
    What are your thoughts on it, Anais?
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    Does this job objectify women? Do the women invite the objectification? If so, does that make it OK?

    Personally, I don't feel objectified. I feel like an individual artist. Maybe on stage I feel more objectified than doing private dances, but still it does not bother me.

    Just thinking about the arguements I hear, like the industry promotes the objectification of women and the narrow-minded societal idealization of thin+ large breasts= beauty. Any thoughts?
    when a woman is paid for being sexy she is in a way being objectified-but since she chose this job, it's not the mens' fault for viewing her as an object-it's just a fantasy when a guy goes to a strip club
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    Really? I feel more objectified doing dances then on stage. On stage, I'm dancing, I'm expressing myself. In a lapdance (depending on the customer) I sit and wiggle my ass.

    This is how I look at it. I quit dancing once to waitress. I felt very objectified as a waitress. None of the customers cared that I was a human being or anything. I was trying to get them to like me so they would tip me and 90% of the time they just wanted their food quickly. Waitressing reduced me to serving men, and letting them determine my "value" (ie, tip) based on the speed and quality of my service.

    Dancing, I set the price and I determine what I sell. If I want to be sexy and sensual and exotic, I can sell that one day. Fifty dollars a pop. If I want to be brainy and intellectual and nerdy cute, I can sell that the next day. Fifty dollars a pop. Whatever aspect of my personality I want to be appreciated for, I can find somebody to buy it.

    I think girls who feel objectified are normally the young girls who start and don't know how to dance and don't have a personality and just do extras for money because that's what they feel is valuable about them. In essence, they have chosen to sell their own objectification.

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    in my own case objectification is definitely a huge issue. To many guys, I'm a "pair of big tits" which happen to be attached to a girl they know and care little about. Of course this goes with the territory I chose to specialize in, and I'll gladly take their money and move on to the next guy rather than spending time getting to know them. After all, I'm not in this business to do psychological research or to provide emotional counseling or to socialize for my own benefit, I'm in it to make money. That business model means a 'shock and awe' attack, hit 'em hard, hit 'em fast, and move on quickly to the next target so to speak.

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    Some guys see us as mere sex objects, others see us as the human beings we are just doing our jobs......either way I don't feel as though my job objectifies me. I made the CHOICE to become a stripper. And I feel fulfilled by what I do. When and if the day day comes that I am no longer happy in this line of work, then I'll quit.

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    Of course it objectifies women. And the women in there make money off of the objectification by men.

    My job objectifies me. Do my clients call me because my personality is so damn sterling? No, they call me because I do the job well. They're objectifying me.

    I go to a strip club to be entertained by nice, nice-looking, and mostly naked ladies. That's objectification. It may get to the point where I'm focused on a particular girl and I just like her for who she is. That's a nice thing. But it starts with objectification.

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    "Objectification is generally considered to be the act of seeing a person only for their attributes and not for the person that they are."

    So its inevitable in any form of representation, whether it is a model on the runaway or magazine or a dancer at a club. A model isn't a model b/c she has a nice personality, she's one b/c she is beautiful.

    Whats the DJ gonna say when he introduces a dancer?...."here's candy, wait before she comes outs, lets get to know her personally, so you evil guys dont, god-forbid, objectify her..."

    maybe once regulars get to know the dancers the objectification starts to disappear...

    IMO, objectification is not necessarily a bad thing...

    and the "idealization of thin + large breasts = beauty promoted by the industry"...maybe its just the industry catering to what the customers like. we wouldn't be paying money for something that turned us off.
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    Any job has the potential to objectify their employees. Say like in the Navy . When you asked how many sailors were on board you would ask , "How many hands on board?" A whole human being reduced to a couple appendages. Is this a serious problem? Yes, when you get to the point of reducing people to a "subhuman" animal. This is the shame of all the ethnic cleansing wars.
    But not all people are offended by it. Take the feminist arguement that men see women only as a piece of meat. A common jargon for attractive males is the word "hunk". When you hear the word "hunk" what do you think of? That's right , meat! But have you ever heard of a handsome man complaining or sueing over the fact he was refered to as a "hunk"? It totally rides on your perception.

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    "Objectification" wow, now that's a big ugly word.

    Yes and no IMO.


    You express yourself on stage in the form of artistic dance and maneuver, in an effort to please a crowd of onlooker's. You gauge your acceptance by the amount of attention you receive for your performance, both monetary and vocal. You may want to consider it objectification if you look at it from a pessimistic angle.

    Although optimistically, you dazzle a crowd with your performance an in effort to highlite the patron's willing to spend more on you so can objectify them. It's all about attention and acceptance. You put on your show and those that appreciate it reward you for your effort's. If 20 people are at the stage and say they all tip you like 2 or 3 bux a piece and this one guy in the middle tip's you a 20, he want's your attention and he should get it. He made that plain with his "bid" for attention. Yes bid is what I choose to call it here because he clearly show's you he think's more of you then anyone else.

    Inside the club people use money to get your attention and you use your physical asset's and the art of performance to get there's. They look at you objectively as a beautiful woman with very erotic artistic talent. You look at them objectively like a lucrative investment of your time. You give them what they came to see and they in turn give you what you are there for. Much like any other exchange of gratuity for service's render's.

    You do all this without wearing Nike shoe's or Driving an Escalade or living in the biggest house on the block. This is what I consider objectification. If you want to group your self with those thing's then yes you are objectified, but not because you dance, a lot of women are objectified outside of club's and they try to be, it's taught to us socially from our teenage year's and before. Guy's all want to date the most popular, prettiest girl's, girl's do everything they can to be popular and pretty. Girl's want to date the handsomest, coolest guy's with the hottest car's or the most money or best athlete or what every they use to gain popularity amongst there peer's. They all basically use there asset's to attain a level of objectification in an effort to get what they want, be it popularity or acceptance or attention.

    This is all really generalizing the word but really it all about your frame of mind and how you want to look at the whole scheme of thing's.

    Ok that may have been a little long winded, but my wife's sleepin off the surgery with her new boob's that I can't play with yet :-/..... I'm bored, bare with me here. [yawn]

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    In my experience, a man's attitude toward women is no different in a club than outside the club. That is, a man who objectifies dancers also objectifies women outside of clubs. They would not likely own up to objectification outside the club, but I feel that some (certainly not all) of these guys go to clubs simpy because they feel more comfortable objectifying women when they can rationalize it (e.g. "I'm paying money for it," "It's part of their job," etc.).

    A guy who is respectful to women outside of strip clubs is more likely to realize that dancers are real women too. Do these guys play along with the fantasy-land environment in the club? Certainly. But they do it with the same realization that the dancers have, that it's fantasy, not reality. If the guy's fantasy involves objectifying women, then he likely falls in the first category of objectifying all women.

    Frankly, I think Hooters does more to objectify women than do strip clubs. Strippers, as mentioned several times above, set their own rates in limits. Hooters waitresses, though clothed and not not doing lap dances, are still trading on their sexuality, but their income is completely up to the customer.

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