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    ive noticed that my club has nothing but white dancers.. white bartenders.. white managers.. they have never had any black or hispanic women work there.. and we do get alot of different colors of women comming for audition..


    kindof strange.. i thought that clubs needed different types of women for the customers..

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    They should..It pisses me off when they don't.

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    ive noticed that my club has nothing but white dancers.. white bartenders.. white managers.. they have never had any black or hispanic women work there.. and we do get alot of different colors of women comming for audition..


    kindof strange.. i thought that clubs needed different types of women for the customers..
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    There are club like this in NYC. I dont think they are racist but the think that of color like myself they think would ruin the club. Like upscale clubs. Or they would pick a few black girls, asians, etc to keep minorities as minorities. Which is sad?

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    The club I am at has a total mix of clinital, from white, black, hispantic....
    We have had some very beautiful black girls audition, get hired and then they only seem to last maybe a week or two.....
    I can't figure this out at all.......Our clinital is totally mixed, and they tip and spend money on all different kind of girls......
    I wish some of them would stay, I like to see having a mix of girls....We try to make everyone comfortable when they start....I wish that more would stay on with us........
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    Actually, Tini, the "Manhattan approach" to ethnic dancers is fair and equal, in the clubowner's minds at least. Clubowners will hire ethnic girls as long as they "measure up". But then clubowners give ethnic girls the "equal right" to pay the same large stage fee and tipout as non-ethnic girls, and the same "equal opportunity" to earn money from the club's upscale clientele. A few ethnic girls do great, but many seem to discover that the club's clientele isn't equally interested from the standpoint of total dollars they're willing to spend. With high stage fees and tipouts, if any dancer regardless of ethicity doesn't click with customers she literally risks losing money, and can't afford to stick around at the club too long on that basis.

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    My club has a very low percentage of minority employees as well. Actually, the dancers are more variegated than the rest of the staff. We have some girls from Eastern Europe (not a minority technically, but they are still foreigners) and a few girls that are Asians, and I think two black girls. Most of the clientele is white businessmen. Interestingly enough, the girl who is consistently a top money maker is black. I've never met her because there are so many girls that work at my club, but my agent told me once that maybe two years ago she had a night where she left with $4000.
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    This is in reference to anabolic's comment...

    Can we assume that white individuals only find other white individuals attractive?

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    Melonie sorry but that's not true. Example Scores give black girls a lower tipout fee to see if they could make the money. Clubowners or the people who hire the girls know exactly what they are doing.

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    Tini, I'm sorry but you have been misinformed. As cool as I think scores is, they do not have anything like affirmative action for black girls. They routinely reduce the house fee for all new girls until they get the swing of things. Also, for girls who are just not having a good night in general, but it has nothing to do with skin color.

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    Can we assume that white individuals only find other white individuals attractive?
    No, it's obviously safe to assume that some white individuals find black girls attractive, as well as some black individuals finding white girls attractive, plus hispanics and asians and on and on and on. But in general, the majority of customers belonging to a particular ethnic group do seem to choose to spend the majority of their money on girls belonging to the same ethnic group. In cities like Atlanta, where the ethnic mix of customers more or less agrees with the ethnic mix of dancers, everybody makes money and there are no calls for descrimination. But in cities like Manhattan, where the percentage of club customers is overwhelmingly white, black dancers typically find that they don't appeal hugely to the customer base versus white dancers. On the other hand a city like the Bronx has predominantly black customers, and white dancers find that they don't appeal hugely to the customer base versus black dancers. Of course, with average Bronx club customer spending being perhaps 10% of average Manhattan club customer spending, not too many white dancers are complaining because they can't get hired in Bronx clubs!

    The real issue here is that, in general, white customers spend big money in clubs where, in general, black and hispanic customers do not. Assuming for argument's sake that club customers prefer to spend 75% of their money within their own ethnic group purely based on personal preference, white girls would receive 75% of white customer total spending plus 25% of black customer total spending plus 25% of hispanic customer total spending. By the same token black girls would receive 75% of black customer total spending plus 25% of white customer total spending plus 25% of hispanic customer spending, with the same relative arrangement for hispanic girls. The percentages are equal. In cities like Atlanta where the average spending levels of black, white and hispanic customers are more or less equal this also means equal earnings potential for dancers regardless of ethnicity. But in different cities like New York where white customer spending is at levels 3 or 5 or 10 times those of black and hispanic customers, the dancer take home dollar situation becomes a vastly different story depending on whether a dancer is white, black or hispanic, and depending on whether she's working in a club where the customer base is predominantly white, black or hispanic.

    Is this discrimination - in my opinion, no it's not. It's merely the reflection of personal preferences on the part of club customers combined with the fact that customer spending habits are not always at the same level in regard to their race, a fact which is true in NY but is NOT true in Atlanta for example. The argument could then be made that the reasons black and hispanic guys in NY tend to spend much less in clubs is that THEY are the victims of discrimination, and that black and hispanic dancers in NY wind up holding the short end of the stick club earnings wise as a second-hand effect. Whether this is in fact true is beside the point in regard to DANCERS being discriminated against. On the other hand, black and hispanic girls always have the option of moving to "greener pastures", i.e. Atlanta, if they're not content with the opportunities in New York. There are also locations where black dancers can make an absolute killing vs white dancers as well, i.e. Alaska and Iceland to name a couple.

    This brings us back to the original post asking why certain clubs don't hire more black or hispanic dancers. I agree that they should, up to a point at least. That point of course is where the personal preferences of the club's customer base is not being met by the dancers the club is providing. In the Manhattan clubs with a 90% white clientele, clubs typically limit the percentage of black and hispanic dancers to 20% or so in order to avoid reducing the available number of white girls that the customers ARE interested in spending money on and substituting too many black and hispanic dancers that the customers ARE NOT interested in spending money on. Of course in Atlanta the percentage of black and hispanic dancers is closer to 40 or 50%, which also agrees with the customer base in that city. In Bronx clubs, the percentage of black and hispanic dancers is more like 80%, which also agrees with that area's customer base! But the distinction is that Bronx clubs have sucky earnings potential compared to Manhattan clubs or Atlanta clubs. But in fairness, there are clubs in small cities all over the country where the earnings potential is just as sucky as in Bronx clubs, but the dancers and customer base are virtually entirely white.

    It's not fair or accurate to confuse racial discrimination with poor earnings potential or with the failure of a particular clubowner to hire x% of black or hispanic dancers. The SCORES system provides the ultimate equal opportunity and the ultimate "free market method" of determining the best percentage of white, black and hispanic dancers versus the personal preferences of the club's customer base - i.e. give girls from every ethnic background a chance, but charge them all a large stage fee and tipout (like $200+ a shift after a short cut rate learning/training period). Those who can earn enough from the club's clientele to cover the large stage fee and tipout stick around, those that can't do not! But in cities where a large stage fee and tipout like SCORES can charge simply will not fly, the clubowners and club managers are forced to make these decisions instead of the "free market" when new dancers are hired. If a clubowner hires more black and hispanic dancers than his customer base wants to spend money on, the black and hispanic dancers wind up with poor earnings, the club's clientele is displeased because there aren't enough of the type of girls the customers prefer perhaps prompting customers to check out competing clubs etc.

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    As I sit here after a 14 hour workday (my normal Saturday routine), eating a jumbo can of Chef-Boy-Ar-Dee Beef Raviolis (because when you are single and live alone, thats about as "home cookin" of a meal you get), I am reminded of one of my all time favorite clubs. This place was pretty much as diverse as they come. The numbers varied from time to time, but there always was a healthy mix of whites, blacks, hispanics and even asian woman working there. I loved it, and loved the diversity, because I find all woman of ethnicity and color physically attractive. I dont think they intended to make it the United Nations of Strip Clubs, just that they hired anyone who looked good and seemed to do a good job.

    Places like that are few and far between in my personal experience. Sometimes, as Melonie points out in the gist of her post, the lack of ethnic diversity on a club may come about by de facto circumstances, rather then de jure. Still, clubs that arent diverse really are lacking to me, whatever the reason.

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    Lane sorry but if Scores management told you that there wrong I know people who work inside the club. Look at the club if you have been there there is only a hand full of black girls that work there. Trust me when any girl go to a club the first thing they look at is color of her skin and if she pretty. All the girls at Scores are not 10 or 9s.

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    Obviously if someone is not going to make the club$$$$ they will not last in the long run.
    However EVERY club should hire regardless of colour! If she does not bring money in then let her go. I mean very poor earnings, not worth her time or the club actually. Give a chick a chance. I don't care if you live in Atlanta, hire on some white girls, or friggin Lauderdale, hire on the coloured girls. I think at times ALOT of clubs are short changing themselves because of this colour thing. Actually when you see it first hand or live it, you damn well know they are.
    Racist people are still out there all over the world, and they should get thier act together. Hire on a beautiful coloured woman, she has a PUSSY for petes sake, and....BONUS nice ass! All the better to ld with!
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    Hmmm...racist clubs...here's some conversations overheard in two clubs in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area:

    Baby Dolls in Ft. Worth
    Ed: "Is it just me or does this club play way too much country music?"

    Dancer: "Management makes us dance to it. It keeps out a certain element."

    Ed: "Hmmm...to keep out guys like me? This stuff is driving me nuts...I already hate country music, and to be playing it here is making me want to go somewhere else."

    Baby Dolls in Dallas
    Ed: "Argh! Country music again, what is up with this place and BDFW?"

    Dancer: "The owner makes us play it. He's a racist."

    Ed: "Really? Is that legal? Friggin' country music sucks, and to hear it in a place like this really pisses me off. How many other clubs does this guy own?"

    She went on to tell me all the clubs owned by the same guy in the BDFW area...unfortunately I can't remember all of them.

    So I guess if you want to see a racist club in action, visit BDD And BDFW. Hell, I'll be up in that area this week...not sure if I'll hit either club though since country music hurts my ears.

    As far as tastes go, it's difficult to generalize how people will spend their money. I have a white friend who absolutely loves black women. I have another white friend who gets weak in the knees around Hispanic women. I'm Hispanic, and I tend to gravitate toward white women. We'll spend money on anybody who provides for some great entertainment, but ultimately that's where I tastes lie. The club we frequent is predominately Hispanic, but it is rather diverse and all of us are very happy with it.
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    Well I know first hand about discrimination. But then again the majority of men that spend money on me are white or non African American. I'll say 90% of my money comes from non African American men. Club managers will hire girls of different races but most are just filling a quota. Sad but true.

    When I was reading stripclublist and the 'housemom' from Silk was actually turning an asian dancer away. She told her that Silk is being marketed as 'Latin Silk' so basically she's not wanted there.

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    Who came up with the idea that black men don't spend money? That, to me, is ludicrous. Maybe if a dancer expects to make less money off of someone because of their race, that attitude will show through and that is why they won't make money off of them.

    Some of my biggest spenders are black guys, not because I have what they would stereo typically be attracted to (i.e. the big ass), but because I talk to them the same way I would anyone else. At first it shocked them that I came up and sat with them because they said that no white girls had ever approached them in the club before... only the Latin and black girls. The first night I talked to them I made over $500 off of them. And, most of it was in no-contact table dances. Normally, they cost $10, but they were paying $40 a pop. You can't argue with that!

    And, on top of that, I have never had anyone throw money down on the stage like the black men. There have been a few times when I've walked off with over $100 in ones from the stage. Black men seem more apt to throw money on the stage rather then tip a dollar at a time. You've gotta love that, too.

    There are girls that I've worked with in the past who have said that they won't talk to minority customers because they don't spend any money. Its fine with me that girls actually believe that. [glow=red,2,300]All it means is that this open-minded white girl is gonna clean up with the customers that no one else will approach! [/glow]Works for me!

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    Ebony I knew that was you. I did want to responsed cause I felt like cursing her out. I like the way you handle it. Also dont she know that Latin people can be very dark skin as well.

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    Hey TiNi yeah I was so mad because just a few post earlier I told her I was a very pretty West Indian dancer etc. and she said I should come down. But then she disuaded the Asian girl. I kinda want to go there and work one night just out of curiosity but now I'm not so sure.

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    Discrimination in the work place really blows (excuse my language.. but it does!) However, I have found that most of my customers tend to be caucasian or asian. ( I am half asian, half caucasian)

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    I have tried diligently to hire girl's of different ethnic backround's just to have variety in the club. It's really hard for black women in this area to make the good money that most of the caucasian girl's do so we only have about 5 or 6 in the Springfield Mo. area. Most Black girl's that start dancing in Springfield move on to KC or St. Louis to find a more accepting customer base. I practically begged a Black, African born, girl to come and work for me ( she came in to check out the club and see if she wanted to dance again ), but to no avail. I have a great customer base from a huge local trucking company and they probably have a 50% black/ white mix of driver. Single trucker's that make phat cash all alone, and bored waiting to get sent out on the road. Us being a juice bar make's it all the more appealing since they can't drink before going out on the road. There biggest complant is that we don't have any "sister's" working for us. I hate not having a good mix of girl's and from what I hear around town, most of the ethnic dancer's make really good money here.

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    I work at a mostly black blub. We only have 3 white girls who dance on the nightshift (hardly ever more than one at a time.) . We also have a couple spanish girls. I guess you could say it's backwards at my club. We have mostly black and hispanic clientel at night. There are some white guys that come through though. Working in a black blub, I can tell you that most black guys are not good tippers. Especially the young ones who come in big groups. They just want to fuck something. The older ones are ok for the most part. The young black guys who come in in pairs or by themselves are alright but they have to be in the mood to tip, you can not talk them out of their money. However, if they are in a tipping mood, they will tip big. They don't just give single dollars. They shower you with money (literally) and leaving the stage with $60-$100 is easy. They don't buy dances very often. The hispanic don't tip either and when they do, 8 times out of 10, they try to touch your pussy. The white guys tip pretty consistantly and they come there to see black girls. The white girls in my job generally don't make as much money (except off of the hispanic guys who like blonds). The black guys who go to white clubs go there to see white girls. I have worked in a white club where the black guys would ignore me completely in favor of a white girls. I didn't take offense because I knew I wasn't what the had in mond where they decided to go to that particular club. Strangely, I made really good money off the rednecks at that club.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aggieed
    Hmmm...racist clubs...here's some conversations overheard in two clubs in the Dallas-Ft. Worth area:

    Baby Dolls in Ft. Worth
    Ed: "Is it just me or does this club play way too much country music?"

    Dancer: "Management makes us dance to it. It keeps out a certain element."

    Ed: "Hmmm...to keep out guys like me? This stuff is driving me nuts...I already hate country music, and to be playing it here is making me want to go somewhere else."

    Baby Dolls in Dallas
    Ed: "Argh! Country music again, what is up with this place and BDFW?"

    Dancer: "The owner makes us play it. He's a racist."

    Ed: "Really? Is that legal? Friggin' country music sucks, and to hear it in a place like this really pisses me off. How many other clubs does this guy own?"

    She went on to tell me all the clubs owned by the same guy in the BDFW area...unfortunately I can't remember all of them.

    So I guess if you want to see a racist club in action, visit BDD And BDFW. Hell, I'll be up in that area this week...not sure if I'll hit either club though since country music hurts my ears.

    As far as tastes go, it's difficult to generalize how people will spend their money. I have a white friend who absolutely loves black women. I have another white friend who gets weak in the knees around Hispanic women. I'm Hispanic, and I tend to gravitate toward white women. We'll spend money on anybody who provides for some great entertainment, but ultimately that's where I tastes lie. The club we frequent is predominately Hispanic, but it is rather diverse and all of us are very happy with it.
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    one other thing i have noticed over the years is that if i ever have 3 black girls up on stage together, someone in management is bound to call me and say something. the alternate being if i had 3 big titted blondes up at once, no one would say a word. now granted, i try and mix it up so that i dont clump anyone together period, be they blonde, black, latino, redheads, whatever....but it is a point i have noticed that has always bothered me.
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    i think that some club owners are racist...no doubt about it, because there is racism in every part of society. i don't know how you can tell if you don't hear about it or its not too blatantly expressed, which it isn't. i also know of a racist club owner that hires a lot of black girls, and a lot of club owners flat out don't allow rap, no matter what color anyone is.

    i do know that in the clubs i have worked at, the racial mix of the clientele has matched that of the girls and vica versa (spelling?)

    i have noticed that i (being white as the driven snow) can hardly ever sell dancers to young black guys, even though they act like they are attracted to me. i don't have a problem selling dances to older black guys. why is that?

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