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    I went to a club last night (March 27) and it was really dead. I asked a few of the dancers how it has been and their response was that all week it has been unusually slow (even on Monday, which is usually a pretty busy night for this place). They all said "Maybe the war is keeping people from coming out".

    Dancers - have you noticed any slowing down a bit since the war started? I heard a report that retail businesses were slower this week and last week, due to people staying home to watch the coverage.

    Fellow Patrons - Have you decided to stay home this week for any "war-related" issues? (watching coverage, not wanting to spend money because of fears of economic unknowns.. etc etc).

    In the bar that I bartend I myself havent noticed any drop off in business.

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    It's been good for me!

    It might not be related to the war. The weather has been perfect out lately and there has been a new promotions push by management recently. Plus a lot of dancers quit because the management instituted new fees, so it's hard to tell why....but money has been great for me!

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    I do think that the war has affected business at my club, partly because I work right on the edge of the Canadian border and most of the patrons are American. I think that they are afraid to cross an international border because they think they will be hassled or something. Even though I have only worked 2 days since the war started, one was a Friday that was totally crappy, and the other was on a Tuesday, but it was our anniversary party, and it was FAR from packed, even though my club had been promoting it for a while. :-/ I hope things get better!

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    Vegas is actually the best I've seen it in a year! Thank March Madness for that....too bad it's short lived for only another 2 weeks. Otherwise, Phoenix has been slow, but that could also be attributed to the end of Spring Training and golf season.
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    I wouldn't say the war is responsible per se. Dance clubs are a 'discretionary expense' where most customers are concerned. With layoffs continuing across the country, with poor corporate profits translating into non-existant bonuses and cut back expense accounts, with gasoline natural gas and heating oil prices sky high, insurance costs and state/local taxes rising, club customers are definitely feeling a financial pinch. Dance clubs rank pretty low on most guy's lists after paying taxes, rent/mortgage, fuel bills, and other necessary expenditures first. Obviously this affects blue collar clubs the most.

    I do agree that the consequences of the war/security have definitely affected clubs near international borders. For example, western NY guys used to cross the Canadian border in droves for the higher mileage and lower cost (in US$ terms) of Canadian clubs in Ft. Erie and Niagara Falls, leaving Buffalo NY clubs with slim pickings. However, now that crossing the Canadian border can take 2 hours instead of 2 minutes, most of the western NY guys are staying on the US side of the border.

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    Well spring break is flying already here in Florida! No, the war is having no impact on the club i dance at.
    Actually i am near alot of military companies who just signed on with new contracts, and they want to spend the money.
    War can be good for the economy, believe it or not.

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    War can be good for the economy, believe it or not.
    Pamela, World War II is what was largely responsible for pulling America out of the Great Depression.

    I guess I should have put this information in my original post - Last week apparently the club I went to was business as usual, and was hopping. This week it was a big contrast, thats why I was curious as to whether the war has affected anyones business.

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    I think that although business has slowed some at my club, some men are more willing to spend money on a fantasy to distract themselves. I find if I mention nothing about the war, and try to be entertaining and lighthearted, I can make more money than if I talk about it being slow or even mention the economy/war.

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    It has been tough here in Daytona, but I don't think it's the war so much as the miserable economy that is hurting us. Historically speaking, war is good for such hedonistic pursuits as strip clubs, especially in a really big and nasty war where a lot of guys are really going to get killed (which is unlikely in this one unless we get bogged down in block-to-block city fighting a la Stalingrad--where our outrageous technological advantage is rendered useless).

    Don't get mad at my apparent disdain for death, if you compare the casualty ratios in this war so far, and any other in this century--or most of history for that matter, other than Daddy Bush's Gulf War Part I, you will see that the fears our boys are experiencing are not to be compared to that of a Marine about to storm the beaches of Iwo Jima. There's a guy who didn't hesitate about indulging his senses!

    Anytime you fight a war and lose a few dozen men out of a couple hundred thousand, you can be damned glad it's not a lot worse! Personally, I'd rather not see a single drop of American blood shed over that a**hole Saddam, but it ain't up to you or me. But enough, I'd rather not cause any controversy here...

    Daytona is also a wierd town, Bike Week is over and done, tourism is down, and we have one incredibly successful club which has been stomping hell out of everyone else for 2 & 1/2 years now anyways. I actually made damned good money in one club for a while by avoiding the assembly-line approach of Lollipops, where they bring on three girls at a time and I have yet to hear anything special said about any one particular dancer.

    The new club I was hired at is still having permit problems, so I have been doing architectural drawings again and subbing now and then for other DJs to avoid getting rusty. I am still on the payroll at the club I was whining and bitching and laughing about, but I'm not crazy about working there that much, $ or not--besides, their rules and the exodus of dancers means there's not much $ there anyway. Certainly I am not as well off as I was a year ago! Most of the dancers I know aren't either.

    I fear that the stimulus wars have had on our economy in the past (you can still read books which accuse F.D.R. of virtually inviting the Japanese to attack us in order to finally end the Depression) will not occur from this one. The world, economically speaking, is nothing like it was in 1941.

    However the war scares me far less than the skyrocketing deficit, our dependence on a horse-race style institution like the stock market (not to mention the oil we're about to blow up over there), and I'm sorry, what I perceive as Bush's inadequacies, which the events since 9/11 have obscured. That's my opinion, and I know there are plenty who will disagree.

    Time will tell...

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    DJ - I got the picture from this Forum, so I dont know. I would guess that its from the Iowa-class, since they were the last and biggest to be built. After a while all the 16-Inch guns look the same . The Iowa Class contained the USS Iowa, USS Wisconsin, USS Missouri and USS New Jersey

    You echoed my response to the dancers - that I would think that in times of national distress SC would be even more rockin' because of the escapism involved. I guess, being in the North New Jersey area (and very close to NYC) its possible that people here are a little more on edge then other parts of the country.

    DJ - Ever been on an Iowa-class Battleship? The USS New Jersey is berthed here in Camden, New Jersey. Its an awesomely impressive ship. Too bad air power has rendered such Capital Ships obsolete. I usually visit it once a year, then go to one of my favorite SC afterwards. I get to see the big guns, then the slightly smaller guns in the same day

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    - hmmm, let's see, the USS New Jersey has 16" guns, right. That means that the circumference of one of the shells for those guns is 16*pi = 50 1/4 inches ? If I take a real deep breath I'm pretty sure that my bustline will beat that measurement. Looks like you'll have to make Camden harbor your second stop!

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    Definitely last friday was the worst I've ever seen in my club. It was slow, and the guys who were there were drinking and being depressed and not looking at the girls. Since then it's evened back out to close to what it had been.

    The war seems to be affecting people in one of two ways: either they're depressed and want to drink and be depressed and be left alone, or they are desperate for a pretty half naked girl to distract them.

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    - hmmm, let's see, the USS New Jersey has 16" guns, right. That means that the circumference of one of the shells for those guns is 16*pi = 50 1/4 inches ? If I take a real deep breath I'm pretty sure that my bustline will beat that measurement. Looks like you'll have to make Camden harbor your second stop!
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    well in my city there was a MAJOR golf tournoment this past week and it was dead on a thurs!! what a disappointment as the past two years have been really good money. i came home with what i noramlly make on a regular weekend and was happy to have it as im sure others didnt do so well. it was so weird. they didnt even sell out the tournoment for any days but the weekend. that right there is telling. so is it the war or the economy? i think its both
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    well, I can maybe agree that some side effects of the war do have direct effects on club business under certain circumstances. This is absolutely the case if the club is located adjacent to a military base, with 5000+ potential club customers now 4,000 miles away in the Persian Gulf! In the golf tournament city example the side effect may be people's reluctance to travel by air right now out of fear of a terrorist reprisal here in the US.

    But it's just as probable that visitors who would have taken a week off from work and blown several grand in previous years to be spectators at the tournament are facing new economy related issues this year ... such as not getting much of a raise or bonus this spring to finance the trip, or worrying that taking vacation time may put them at the top of the list in the next round of 'cutbacks' by their employer, or maybe something more simple such as their credit card being maxxed out and for the first time the banks are denying them more credit, or something more dramatic like getting nauseous after seeing their end of year 2002 investment account statement!

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    Okay, I have to change my answer and say that the war is DEFINITELY affecting business now. Last night I made one tenth of what I typically make at that club on a Sunday night - there just wasn't anyone in there. Several girls left in the negative. It was like survival of the fittest LOL.

    And there've been way too many days like that in the last week...

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    Lena, I would again argue that it's not the war directly. It's simply that our rotten economy has been cutting people's incomes and at the same time increasing peoples living expenses for two years now. For a while, people kept faith that their jobs would be secure, that their costs of necessities like taxes, gasoline, insurance and medical would not rise faster than their incomes etc. - and a great many of them kept spending money as before with ever rising credit card and home equity loan balances to finance it. But now that we're in the third straight year of an economic downturn, the banks are starting to say no to more credit card debt and more home refinancing, meaning that the "noose" has finally tightened on the free spenders. Many people really didn't have a clear idea of how bad off their personal finances were until they sat down to do their income tax returns during the last month or two. Additionally, companies continue to lay off employees with essentially no hope that they will be hired back or that they will be able to find a new job with an equivalent paycheck. From here on out, people can't spend money on luxuries (like dance clubs) unless they earn it in the first place and and use it to pay their necessary expenses first. Many of these people are also starting to put any extra money they have left over toward paying down their credit card balances to avoid bankruptcy or starting to put it into the bank in case they lose their job.

    This scenario doesn't apply to everybody, of course. Many of the very upscale clubs haven't seen earnings drop at all. Like people who buy a Lexus or BMW, guys who frequent the very upscale clubs ALWAYS seem to have money. On the other hand, like people who buy Chevys and Fords, guys who frequent blue collar clubs are more broke and more nervous than ever.

    But unlike the war that started just 2 weeks ago, these economic undercurrents have been in motion for 2 years. Some areas of the country were affected immediately - particularly cities with large high-tech sectors. Other areas of the country were affected later - particularly cities with large manufacturing sectors. But now that the banks have entered the picture, every area of the country is going to be affected except those where local residents have beaucoup bucks such that they haven't needed to borrow money (like Florida).

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    The war has not affected me at all over the last 2 weeks at the clubs I was booked to work at in South Dakota. I netted over $4200 those 2 weeks and I haven't made that kind of money in 2 weeks since September 2000.

    There are a lot of variables that affect the club business.

    First off this is a closet business where most of out target customers have to duck and hide to go to clubs. Guys who are out of town on business or traveling on the road alone tend to be the best customers and some big businesses may not in some areas be sending their people out of town right now in order to watch costs.

    Conversely, in rural areas,self employed people involved in the cattle trade or other areas of agriculture are constantly on the road conducting business so the war has no impact on their day to day functions.

    In clubs that depend a lot on tourism, a slump in business might be more common.

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    Miami is rocking, from what Destiny, Athena, and Susie Q have told me about this weekend. They got tired of the Daytona slump, have tried everywhere else in Florida without much success, and headed down there. They did very well and are going back next weekend again. Vanessa has been doing well there for about 6 months now. So no war (or whatever) blues there.

    Of course Destiny could stand still, wearing a tent, and nonetheless be one of the sexiest women I've ever seen--even if she can be a pain in the ass sometimes (ya, I'm going to make sure she reads this, too). I started calling Vanessa "The Essence of Sensuality" when she was still a shooter girl, if you saw her you'd get that one right away. Athena and Susie Q are pretty irresistable, as well.

    And of course drug dealers are the last to feel the pinch, LOL (how rude of me to bash Miami like that!--even if several other of my dancer friends who have made money from them will agree). But this part of Florida--not the best, that's for sure--has been slow for a while now. Daytona does have a double handicap in that it has a blue collar AND a tourist economy...

    Where I was at Bike Week was busy as ever, so I was shocked but not entirely surprised to discover later that Bike Week actually had about HALF the visitors as last year, and 250,000 less bikers can't just be pinned on the prudes and their new granny ordinances in City Hall, much as they might be happy to think so. I went out tonight and it was dead as hell everywhere, even in the club that has been stomping everyone else for almost three years now, Lollipops-- where they just filmed a G-String Divas episode.

    The fat old guy with the toupe that all the girls hate in my last club has put off getting his bypass operation, maybe out of fear he'll lose his job (I'll be happy to cover for him, but I sure don't want it back--I told them I quit before they fired me). I took his job two years ago at the Shark, but he ought to thank me, because he went on to make way more money than me at Lollipops, until they finally got tired of his geriatric music a couple months back, and he then replaced my replacement at Molly's, who lasted all of 6 & 1/2 weeks.

    The guy I design shopping centers for has actually been using me more than he has for a while, which is convenient for me, waiting for the new club to get it's act together. He is a serious go-getter, however, and I have seen him do quite well when everyone else in real estate was ready to leap out a window. Unfortunately, he's not a fan of strip clubs, unless he's lying to me about that. Probably not, but that's his loss (no, he sure ain't gonna read this).

    I agree with Melonie, the guys who run the major corporations are the last (except the dealers, maybe) to feel the pinch. And Tina, I'm glad you did well in South Dakota, with all the ranchers, not that I'm all that surprised. When YOU stop making money, we can all start worrying. I'm going to go get a steak tomorrow, maybe that'll help.

    Hey Prestor, we should get them to raise up the wreck of the Yamato, and see how Melonie can compete with those monster 18 inch guns (I think she'll still win out, LOL). I'll PM you to chat about naval history, I'm into that, but I don't think anyone else cares.

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    Hey Prestor, we should get them to raise up the wreck of the Yamato, and see how Melonie can compete with those monster 18 inch guns (I think she'll still win out, LOL). I'll PM you to chat about naval history, I'm into that, but I don't think anyone else cares.
    I care, being a card-carrying student of history. In fact, I am back in college to become a History Teacher. Its funny when Im at a SC and in a conversation with a dancer, the subject of my school inevitably comes up. When I tell them I'm going to be a teacher, they always say "You don't look like any teacher I ever had!" (Me = tall, relatively thin, long blond hair, tattoos and Chuck Taylor sneakers).

    DJ - lets raise the Musashi too. One huge capital ship for me, one for you. Melonie then can compare and contrast.

    To bring this thread to some sort of closure, I plan on going back to the same club next week and see how business was. I'll keep ya posted.

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    Sorry, no way that my bustline will compare with the calibre of the Yamato's big guns. But I have been told that my implants resemble an Oka when viewed from the side!

    I'll also agree with you that the very last people who seem to get hurt in any financial crunch are those on the shady side of the law. Maybe this is the reason that Miami, Chicago and North Jersey clubs are doing well ?

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    I will have to say Yes!!! I work In Washington D.C. and our attendance and my money has been cut in half since the beginning of the war...it has been a gradual decrease but a shame considering we had just seemed to recover from the slump we experienced after September 11...
    I have to agree with the statement that in most parts of the country the decline in our income can be attributed to the economy, but here it also has to do with fear...People just don't want to spend time in the city considering we are numero uno on the list if a terrorist attack was to occur....It doesn't help that my club is a stones throw away from the vice presidents house and a major embassy...yuck...I feel a road trip coming on...
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