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    At many relatively upscale clubs, I frequently hear guys mention that the dancers were far more attractive and more skilled stage performers during the 1990's. Furthermore, these guys insist that they frequent gentlemens clubs less frequently now as a result of deteriorating dancer quality.
    I have personally witnessed this phenomenon to some extent. I'm not saying I'm gorgeous or a talented,acrobatic dancer...just that, over the past few years, the general quality of stripper seems to be dropping. More and more 5's-7's are joining the ranks as they become aware of lucrative prospects in the industry; unfortunately, as we all know, the industry is not so lucrative anymore. The lure of $$$ often drives less attractive girls(and sometimes even prettier ones) to perform extras in order to earn a decent living.
    How do you guys feel about this? I'm not saying there's anything wrong with dancers who aren't 8's-10's, or amazing performers, just that, as a whole, it further saturates the industry. If really attractive girls were flooding the business, the net result would not be as negative, as there is always incentive for guys to ogle naked beauties.
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    The lure of $$$ often drives less attractive girls(and sometimes even prettier ones) to perform extras in order to earn a decent living.
    Lover, is that you? No dancer needs to perform extras to earn a decent living.

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    No, this is Juliet; unlike "Lover", I can spell and generally use correct sentence structure.
    While no dancer NEEDS to perform extras to earn a living, I've seen girls rely on them to assure certain minimum earnings in cities where extras are relatively common, anyhow. Unfortunately, due to the competitive nature of our industry, it's generally the less attractive girls who are compelled to perform extras, though beautiful girls aren't exactly immune,either.

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    If the quality has declined, then I'm the one to blame cuz I've taken a leave of absense. If and when I start dancing again, the overall quality level will go back up to the old "shock them right out of their socks" standards.

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    Yes I've noticed that too. Now that the economy is slow, many girls can't make money elsewhere and their bf's and husbands can't make money either. That puts all kinds of extra girls trying to make money in this business who otherwise wouldn't be doing it.

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    Oh boy here goes the "extra" topic again.
    All i can say is, the club/clubs i have worked in have been great! Lauderdale had more girls coming in to perform practices that were not wanted by the club. ( i know they all get it sooner or later, i turned 2 girls in down there).
    I have only worked 3 strip clubs since starting to dance. (long time). I am now more north Florida, and our club has cameras every where, dancers are made aware of this. It is being recorded yes, as i know some clubs just put them up with no tape running.
    I look around ALOT at the club i work, it is very upscale, and watched over very close. Always.
    We have had very few get caught trying to rub a man with their hands, through his shorts, (no doubt getting ready to pull "him" out.
    These girls the club shows No Mercy!!! They throw them out on their ass, some try to deny...And are then asked if they would like to see the tape.
    I agree, the economy sucks now, and my club may be one of the first to crash here in Florida, but for now business is booming. And managment is on the ball. This club has been around Many many years. They hire the best looking they can. But give others a break if you have a talent, that will make the club money. I hate a "scale for women", but the majority are blonde, blue eyed, tall and thin. Thats just the majority. It's a nice place to visit, and the girls are friendly. But they know the rules and money to be made. Get out of line, they will/do get nailed. Police often stand in the door, they can. They know every doorman there. We have no problems. Quality has NOT declined where i dance!
    That can change tomorrow, i am aware of this.

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    I frequent several clubs in NJ and often see many ladies do what I call the "Jersey Strut" They really don't dance, all they do is strut around the stage, shake their “booty”, smile and then collect tips. Yes I think the quality of strippers has declined and it's because many clubs are putting the emphasis on LD's not stage performances.
    Don’t get me wrong, I enjoy a good LD but I also enjoy watching a good performance and usually tip well when I see one.

    Wow I got through that without mentioning the “E” word.

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    I haven't been going to clubs that long, maybe two years. I haven't seen a decline of dancer quality in that short time. I have, however, seen an increase in ... um.... dancer generosity in the average club visit over that period.

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    As the economy has slowed and a lot of people have lost their "normal" jobs, women of all levels of attractiveness have been more likely to consider dancing as an option to make ends meet. Many of these gals would not otherwise consider dancing and therefore do not have upfront information about the business. Namely the fact that it depends on its clients to have a lot of discretionary income to make it work.

    UNFORTUNATELY, the same economic slowdown that has put those women out of their "normal" jobs has done the same thing to their male counterparts, namely the very people that the clubs and their dancers depend upon for successful business. These women get their info about stripping from the often innacurate portryals they get in the media that dancers make a lot of money, and fail to consider that this business is bound to the laws of supply and demand like anything else.

    So you now have MORE dancers competing for FEWER customers, and therefore LESS money. Well, what do you think is going to happen? All of the dancers of course, go home with less. If her income is insufficient for her needs, a dancer in this predicament has four options:

    1. She can try her luck at another club, or perhaps another city where economic conditions aren't so dire.

    2. She can go back to a more conventional line of work, perhaps one where her looks can be an asset.

    3. She can charge less for "standard" service. Although at a lot of clubs don't give the dancers the discretion of giving discounts.

    4. She can keep her income steady by doing the big "E's". Out of respect to the gals here that are sick of the topic, I won't say the whole word!

    From what I've seen, a lot of the more attractive dancers will choose options 1 or 2. Leaving options 3 and 4 to the less attractive dancers remaining. Thats why I still see a number of attractive women taking up dancing but often aren't there for very long when the money doesn't meet their expectations. I lost a former ATF this way.

    I've also noticed that more attractive dancers tend to gravitate towards clubs where the earnings are the highest available in that market for the hassle it requires. Most of the clubs in my area for instance, have full nude stage dancing and charge $20 for a topless lap dance, but there's one in a different jurisdiction, that is topless only that charges $25 for the same dance. Again, more money for less hassle. Perhaps reason why they have the most attractive dancers in the area.
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    There is absolutely no comparison now, compared to the dancers from say 1987-1992. Now there are just too many dancers, many of which are eastern europeans who just do not cut it.

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    Default Re: Has the general quality of strippers deteriora

    I'd have to agree with this decline of quality - in our club, lately the manager has hired a few girls who even ranged from 3-5's...when we girls ask him about it, he gets defensive and says "yeah, uh, well she can really move on stage though" (which is rare, if not never the case). But the turnover in this business is so high, that as easy as it is to hire new girls, it's just as hard to keep quality girls, depending on the club's profitability. :-/
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    In my opinion, dancers are not nearly as pretty as they were a few years ago.

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    i havent noticed the quality of dancers in my area go down at all . in fact quite of few new ones are very good looking and can dance. florida for some reason never runs out of good looking dancers. the whole beach warm thing draws women from everywhere. i think florida is also one of the highest in the amount of strip clubs we have in the country.
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    I personally haven't been to strip clubs long enough to tell whether the quality has deteriorated. It seems to me that in Puerto Rico the quality varies from club to club, although the latina dancers tend to have much better and natural moves since it runs in their blood.



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    i havent noticed the quality of dancers in my area go down at all . in fact quite of few new ones are very good looking and can dance. florida for some reason never runs out of good looking dancers. the whole beach warm thing draws women from everywhere. i think florida is also one of the highest in the amount of strip clubs we have in the country.
    Velvet makes an interesting point. One reason we may not being seeing "appearance declines" in certain parts of the country is because a lot of high income people (and a lot of retirees who got their nest eggs secured before things went south in the stock market) live there. Warm weather climates like Florida (and perhaps Arizona as well) have a lot of retirees. So naturally the attractive dancers move where the money is.
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    I haven't been dancing that long but I have friends in the business who have been at it for 6 years. When they first started dancing the girls they worked with were all beautiful in every sense of the word (body, grooming, attitude, stage presesnce, professionalism). Now especially in NJ all the pretty girls flock to a handful of clubs Lookers and Titillations for example. Also beautiful girls go where the money is so that leaves other clubs horribly understaffed so to speak.

    And its funny because I have always had this idea of what exotic dancers looked like. I made sure I was in prime shape and fussed over my appearance for months before I went for an audition. Then I started dancing and I see some of the girls the managers will hire NOT CUTE. It's all good though because I can make more money if the girls around me are just average or just plain bad looking. But on the flip side if a club doesn't have a majority of attractive girls it's not bound to keep a steady flow of clientle.

    I know in NYC another friend of mine said that managers sometimes just want the $100 nightly fee from the girls and what ever fee they can tack on ($50 late fee). I went to Ten's and the girls were strangely average.

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    I feel as if it has to an extent. I do like judging other people but there are some females who need to leave the dancing to others. In my old club I would have many of customers reply to me that some of the girls needed to go because of the facial appearances, and the overall attitude. While I have not danced very long, there are a few girls that do not need to be doing what they are doing. But if it makes them happy let them do it! There are also some really pretty 8 and 10s that do have the moves and make more money than me( I am a 1). But yes the business had deterioted from back in the day! Keep smilin girls!
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    Actually, I'd say that the very top of the line clubs have better looking girls now than ever before. This is simply because these clubs have 10 or 20 or 50 girls applying for every opening so that club management can pick and choose only the very best looking girls. However, in all of the other clubs, things have definitely gone downhill since the 90's, and have gone downhill fast in the last couple of years. From an 'old timer's' perspective, here's a few possible reasons.

    #1 the girls who worked the clubs in the 80s and 90s saw themselves as "performers" first and as sex workers second - this has now reversed with today's dancers in most clubs as the presence of 'extras' becomes more common

    #2 the average spending of club customers in all but the very top shelf clubs has dropped dramatically - expense accounts have dried up, many industries which used to entertain clients at clubs (tech, Enron, telecom) are severely hurting

    #3 the attitude of many of today's dancers, particularly recent eastern european 'imports' and inner city girls, is extremely harsh and businesslike both to the customers and to fellow dancers

    #4 thanks to the conservative crusade, the odds of being busted in a club have never been higher (irregardless of the fact that a particular girl isn't doing anything illegal herself).

    #5 clubowners, even the very top shelf clubowners, have gradually reached further into dancers' pockets i.e. stage fees, percentage splits and have gradually enacted more and more intrusive rules in regard to schedules, merchandise, shifts and days which must be or cannot be booked etc.

    all in all, this has led to a much more frustrating and non-financially rewarding club atmosphere than existed in the 90s. As a result, many of the "entertainers" have reached the conclusion that live dancing in 90% of clubs isn't really about dancing anymore, and it just isn't worth the effort/frustration/hassle/risk of staying in the business.

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    This is definately true in Vegas. There are some downright UGLY women prancing around in g-strings! But, since they pay their stage fees, the club keeps them around.

    I can't really comment much on Phoenix since I haven't been here very long...but a lot of the girls say the quality has gone down (should I take that as an insult, since I'm one of the newer hires???)

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    I've been in this business for about 6 years, and i'd have to say the quality HAS declined. However, the quantity has not.
    When i first started dancing, the first club i worked at actually trained us to do stage shows...how to smile, wiggle, climb poles, and actually dance. I don't do pole tricks anymore (I stopped doing that after watching a dancer friend of mine slip off a pole and break her back), but I'm amazed at how many girls nowadays just seem to walk around the poles and look bored (or, even worse, pissed off!)...and then when I do a cheesy stage show (lazy by my old performance standards) and get happy, enthusiatic comments from the customers about my performance. Nowadays a club training program consists of a manager taking the girls' stage fee and then booting them out on the floor, reguardless of attitude or appearance, and not giving the girls any clue as how they are supposed to work. Also, clubs that used to have maybe 30 girls on night shift are now trying to pack in 300+ girls! :o
    And yes, there are some fugly looking girls crowding Vegas strip clubs nowadays...but since they pay their stage fees every shift, they're allowed to stay...and with some Vegas strip clubs allowing dancers to pay extra money to not go on stage at all during their shifts, its no wonder the stage performances in general have declined.
    Its pretty sad to see the entertainment aspect of the business go down the drain so much...and what's even worse is to see so many nice clubs go downhill to the point where they've basically become nothing more than fronts for prostitution.

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    Ultimately, girls dance to make money! In the handful of top shelf "show clubs", they are financially rewarded for "putting on a show", such that her stage performance results in significant tips by drawing the attention of customers during the time she's on stage ! But as posted earlier, only one dancer in 10 or 20 or 50 will actually be given the opportunity to work in a top shelf "show club" environment today. With "show club" hiring standards steadily increasing due to surplus dancers willing to relocate who are seeking better earnings opportunities with low/no contact, and with "show club" customers declining due to the poor economy, an even lower percentage of dancers will have this opportunity in the future.

    For the other 9 or 19 or 49 dancers in the vast majority of clubs, stage tips represent 'chump change' relative to private dance earnings. This creates next to no incentive for a girl to expend a lot of energy onstage. Stage performances also have little or no correlation to a dancer's ability to sell private dances (which is where the real earning power comes from in most clubs) - which is for the most part proportional to the degree of contact the dancer is willing to provide. In this scenario, a girl's time on stage is more profitably spent if she does less performance 'show' dancing, and more 'floor' work or 'over the rail' work or 'cleavage and crotch tips' work, showing potential private dance customers a small sample of what they can expect in the VIP room if they decide to buy private dances from the dancer on stage!

    To be brutally honest, with the exception of the handful of top shelf "show clubs", today's dancing "business" is NOT the same business as it was in the 90's. The business model is differerent, i.e. clubs and dancers are not selling the same "product" as they were in the 90's. The typical customer base has changed a great deal from the 90's, as have the customer's expectations in regard to the "product" they're willing to buy and the amount of money they're willing to spend. These changes have created a business climate today which many very attractive potential dancers simply don't want to deal with, or simply can't make money at if they're not willing to relocate or are not willing to provide the "product" today's customers increasingly expect.

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    The business model is differerent, i.e. clubs and dancers are not selling the same "product" as they were in the 90's. The typical customer base has changed a great deal from the 90's, as have the customer's expectations in regard to the "product" they're willing to buy and the amount of money they're willing to spend.
    At the fear of sounding too much like Lover, do you think that any of this also coincides with the increase in the price of dances in most cities? $20 a dance seems to be the going rate nowdays. With the increased price comes increased expectations. It seems to me that this (increased costs=increased expectations) hasn't been good for the industry. I think that those increased expectations have chased many of the better looking dancers out of the industry. Sure in a perfect world everyone would be willing to pay $20 for a 4 minute dance with no expectations, but that's really not reality for many customers.

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    The dancer doesn't necessarily have to be great looking or skilled at dancing if she has a good personality, but I've noticed three recently that SMELLED BAD FROM B.O.!

    The other night, I almost had to tell one the awful truth in order to get her to leave me alone and move downwind. There are probably plenty of customers who stink, too, but we aren't the ones trying to make a living by being sexy.

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    There have been many really good points brought up here in this thread!

    No one has mentioned that obesity is at epidemic proportions in the US today. It is right up there with tobacco as a cause of preventable death. Now that is something that should make people think that maybe our personal standards have dropped to the point that even if a girl has a pretty face she is too big to even consider being successful as a dancer, and wouldn't have the physical stamina to do the job even if "rubenesque" women were all the rage.

    Just to be completely clear, I am not slamming anyone here. I live in the Northwest, and we seem to have more of a problem with obesity then some other areas of the country.

    Just offering another suggestion as to why dancer quality is declining.


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    Paris that is an awsome point! I never took that into consideration before!

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