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    I haven't been a member long, but one frequently discussed topic is "extras," and in reading the posts here, I've found that nobody in this forum does them (which I don't really believe). Women here post that they love dancing, and men who want extras had better look somewhere else because they won't do them. And then they talk about the women who do them like they're low-lifes.

    I try not to judge anyone, and understand that some girls really need money from our kind of work because of kids and other bills that come up with nobody else in their lives to pay them. So maybe they do extras when the car payment comes due, or maybe they do them a lot trying to build a nest egg, or regularly to compete for customers. I realize there are many clubs in which it's not possible to do extras, but I guess what really has me wondering is whether or not this board reflects what's really going on in our business or if we're just BSing ourselves here. None of you do extras???

    Please tell me, are there any women among us who do extras? Would you please talk about it a little to give me some perspective? I for one would like to hear since I think I may have to resort to it soon. Thanks, and please don't moralize me for saying I might have to do extras.

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    good luck with that one bud
    this topic has been beaten to shit
    and i would appreciate it if we didnt start another flame war
    enough is enough with the extras
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    I will go out on a limb and make one pertinent comment ...

    The majority of dancers who post on this board are NOT typical of your average group of 1000 dancers. Most of us who post on this board are above average in appearance, which allows us to work in relatively upscale clubs. Most of us regularly work in cities where the economy is not so bad and the competition is not so fierce that we don't have to face the decision of doing super-high contact/extras to earn money versus doing low/no contact and earning less than a WalMart cashier. A number of us travel, which allows us to avoid "bad" areas and to avoid some seasonal earnings swings.

    In the "real world" of dancing, there are girls who are unable to travel. The majority of dancers in the "real world" do not have the kind of above average appearance where they can take being hired in an upscale club for granted. There are also girls who live in hard-hit cities where stage tips suck and where it's almost impossible to sell private dances, low contact or high contact, because guys simply don't have big money to spend anymore. And there are a few cities, as well as many individual smaller areas, where dancers routinely provide extremely high contact levels and where customers not only expect it but will not buy private dances without it! There are also cities where competition is so tough that girls who are not of above average appearance are having trouble being hired/booked in ANY club with any earnings potential, let alone an upscale club with good earnings potential.

    I can totally respect girls who must work under circumstances where doing 'extras' or not means the difference between feeding their baby, paying their rent, and making their car payment or not. It's certainly a very tough decision to face.

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    Thanks, Melonie. Yes it is a tough decision. And by the way, Holly, I am a dancer so "Bud" doesn't really apply to me. Seems to me the only thing that's been beaten to death about this has been women talking about how they would never do extras, and would report those who do. I'm more interested in women like me who have two kids in a tough economy. I think Melonie is probably right. This site doesn't reflect the real world of dancers, and instead caters to a lucky few. But thanks for starting the joke page, Holly. I love it!!

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    I have worked in enough clubs all over the country to tell you that there is no way that all of the girls posting on this board don't provide some type of sexual service in or out of the club.

    I would guess that probably 1/3 of the posters on this board have regularly or sporadically perform sexual extras in and out of the club but the tone of this board does not permit them to freely post about that subject so they stay in the closet.

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    Yeah, the topic's been beaten to death. But someone may notice that Bridgette and I both made references to "crossing a line" that, as far as I know, wasn't flamed on. And she's not an "extras" dancer and I'm not an "extras" customer.

    Let's look at it another way. In any profession, there are ethical lines that are sometimes poorly drawn that get crossed. Hell, sometimes there's very clear lines that get crossed. But you don't go to an Internet forum in that profession to find out the wrong stuff that's gone on. You're going to find discussion on business concepts and experiences, not on how to break the rules.

    We understand that there's a nice theory about dancing or any other profession. We understand that sometimes lines get crossed in dancing or any other profession. Practitioners don't want to wallow in the less desirable aspects of their trade. They want to discuss how best to conduct business properly.

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    I normally stay out of the controversy, and I probably should stay out of this one,but I thought I would add my two cents. Until recently I was in a job that required me to travel the Carolinas. I guess I visited 20 clubs in one of the most conservative areas in the U.S. I have never ask for extras, this is what I have observed. Three clubs I was told up front a regular private dance costs X if you want a bj it will be x and FS is x. In another 3 clubs dancers let me know they were available to come to my hotel room after hours. In one or two more clubs I was given strong hints about extras, but I did not pursue further so it may or may not have happened. Most of these clubs I only visited once. Since I do not seek out extras I can only guess what would happen if I tried to find them. I can not speak for other parts of the country, but this area is generally not brought up in discussions dealing with extras so I can only assume that it is no worse than most areas.I am not posting this with the intention to make anyone mad or continue a topic that some want to disappear, but just to bring one persons experience into the light.



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    I have worked in enough clubs all over the country to tell you that there is no way that all of the girls posting on this board don't provide some type of sexual service in or out of the club.

    I would guess that probably 1/3 of the posters on this board have regularly or sporadically perform sexual extras in and out of the club but the tone of this board does not permit them to freely post about that subject so they stay in the closet.
    I've worked as a dancer for over a year and half now.. I can safely say that in that time I have NEVER performed any sexual extras.

    I have a rule I stick to like super glue: Never ever sleep with a customer or anyone I've met at the strip club I'm currently working in.

    I don't care how great looking the person is.. how great their personality is.. or how well I get along with them.. if I meet them in my place of work - then sorry.. wrong place! It is a different matter if I'm out on the town with fellow fe/male friends and I meet you there.

    I'm not saying I'm squeaky clean as I did things when I first started that I'm not proud of and now no longer do due to having increased respect for myself.

    When I first started I lacked confidence in myself so I may have used my legs or other body part to brush against an already hard penis etc however those things are now long LONG gone. I give great private dances without breaking any rules (tho' I may push the envelope I won't break any rules).


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    When I first started I lacked confidence in myself so I may have used my legs or other body part to brush against an already hard penis etc however those things are now long LONG gone. I give great private dances without breaking any rules (tho' I may push the envelope I won't break any rules).
    Aussie Vee, I am a new dancer, and therefore have only seen a few clubs. But brushing my leg agaisnt a guy's crotch would be considered tame at the two clubs I have danced at. My first night was last week and I remember just being stunned that the housemom told me that most girls at this particular club wear tampons just so customers can't finger them. The guys were allowed to touch anything not in your g-string. Heavy grinding and sucking on dancer's breasts was commonplace. The club I am at now is less contact, but is still high mileage compared to what you describe. I am just wondering, can you give me any pointers on how to dance without doing extras???

    So on the same note, if these things I have mentioned can be considered extras, then I am guilty. But I am slowly learning my boundaries as I have gotten better at dancing.
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    Well, everyone has made some good points here. Extras are commonplace in alot of areas and in alot of clubs, but as Melonie points out, this site's membership doesn't represent an accurate cross-section of your average dancers. In my experience, the majority of dancers providing sexual extras are not very likely to even own a computer, much less chat on the internet! In dressing room conversations, I notice that the vast majority of dancers do not have computers at all, and still more are rather computer-illiterate. Further, most of the dancers I've seen who do own computers tend to be older, more experienced, and higher earners without needing to resort to extras. Then there are many many dancers who are online, who aren't members here and don't post here. Also, as Aussie Vee pointed out, alot of newbies do things in the beginning that they later learn are unnecessary for making money. I too have travelled all over the country and a few places outside, and though I wouldn't say that necessarily a third of this site's members do or have done some sort of sexual extra, I would say that probably a third of all dancers do or have - but again, the members of this site aren't exactly typical.

    And along that line, if and when some providing dancers do get online and get involved in discussions on this topic and others, and begin to see that there are ways to make money without providing, I daresay that many of them make some changes. From what I've seen, the vast majority of these young girls providing sexual extras in the club are not very educated or 'enlightened' on this business as a whole, and may have been fooled by some unscrupulous customers/dancers/managers into thinking that's the only way to make money stripping.

    As an example, I once worked with a girl years ago who was just starting out. I was new in town and had started working at a very high mileage club - people had told me it was the best in town. I hadn't been dancing long, and as soon as I realized I wasn't going to make much money at that club because of the mileage I wasn't willing to give, I left. But this new girl stayed. She was a newbie and had no idea that there were other clubs where all that extra stuff wasn't required to earn a profit. I never saw her after I left the club, until 5 years later when I ran into her at Spearmint Rhino in Vegas! I recognized her immediately, and we chatted, with her telling me how when she finally realized she could go somewhere else and make money without all the crap at that old club back in Texas, she couldn't go fast enough. She was happy at SR and making more money with less mileage.

    I have to agree with and expand on Jason's point also. This site is a place where we want to discuss business issues, not a place where we want to 'wallow' in the bad things. We come here to discuss how to profit without having to perform those services. And since the girls who perform extras are basically cheating the other girls by artificially inflating their demand (by participating in illegal activity), I hardly think someone would come here and openly admit they do sexual extras. Just like in, say, a salesperson's forum, no one would go there and post about their unethical practices which help them to generate more or easier business and hurts their peers who are trying to earn a living within the legal and ethical limits.

    But all that aside, I don't condemn a girl for providing the extras - so long as she takes it outside the club or does them in a club where pretty much everyone is doing it, and so long as she isn't doing so out of desperation. I don't think anyone should feel they have to do something they may not be comfortable with to survive. There are alternatives, like switching clubs, moving / travelling to other areas, etc. Even if a girls isn't the best-looking, there are places where she can go and still earn a decent living without compromising her own personal standards.

    Regarding witt's comments about the conservative community and the high availability of extras there: In my experience it's the most conservative communities that top the list of places with high mileage and extras availability. Take Houston for example. That is a well-known heavy mileage and extras town, and it is also in Texas - a rather conservative area to say the least. Also, since I no longer dance in smaller towns, anytime I meet a customer from one of those small conservative locales, he is almost invariably used to and expecting alot more than is available at my club, and for less money. I suspect the Carolinas fit that mold of having lots of small, very conservative communities where the mileage is high and cheap in the strip clubs. The mileage was high and cheap in every small town I ever danced in as a traveller. It's a funny paradox that more larger cities with a more liberal society tend to be stricter and more conservative in the strip clubs, and the smaller more conservative communities tend to have much wilder clubs.

    Sorry for the LONG post. There were alot of good points in this thread I wanted to comment on because they were things I'd been thinking about but hadn't brought up. This is the best thread on extras I've read yet. The topic has been beaten to death, but at least we're progressing!

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    We had a poll once and several voted that they had done occationally done "extras".
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    I am just wondering, can you give me any pointers on how to dance without doing extras???
    When I said brushing.. I should've used the word stimulate or something. I didn't do heavy grinding as that is just too tiresome however my crotch did come into contact with the customer's crotch (dry humping?).... that sort of thing.

    As for pointers... there is a thread on StripClubJunkie that you may want to read - "What kind of dance do you like?"

    http://www.stripclubjunkie.com/cgi-b...num=1046295285



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    Well how interesting that the average reader thinks the girls posting here-- that we dont do "extras" are hiding in the closet are lying about it all.
    What I say is *why* would we bother to lie? To what end?
    I dont do extras and if it were required I would find another job - the girls that do I could give a fat rats ass about and only wish they would ply their trade elsewhere besides our stripclubs.
    If you are in this job and its become apparent to you that you have to start suckin dick to take home any pay? I suggest you get a fucking education girl. PERIOD.
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    Rock on Leigh! You are totaly right, you just perfectly interpreted what I was trying to say earlier about girls doing extras in clubs, that shit does NOT belong in a stripclub, simple as that.

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    I believe what we are actually talking about here is a little more contact than normal. Not prohibited sexual acts such as bjs, hjs, or FS. She explained at one club customers were allowed to touch anything not inside of the g-string. At the club which she now works, this super high level of contact is not the "norm". By extras I belive what is meant is giving dirtier ie.higher contact dances. By no means, do I feel, that Jayln is saying she will begin offering sex of its many forms, just more contact b/t herself and her customers. Perhaps more grinding or longer periods of contact b/t herself and the customers. Some clubs have weird dance rules that involve the # of seconds they can be still or seated on a customer so any of these things being prolonged is considered an extra.
    For example: some girls do girl-girl action for double for customers, either onstage or together in VIP or private dance rooms, whatever. I consider this an extra and many do not, they consider it business as usual at a club. I think girl-girl shows are extras even though they are a standard practice in clubs, but many girls consider them not to be. Depends on your club, most clubs do allow girl girl shows and its fine, I just consider it an extra b/c it falls up under the category of something that can be done but is not done by all b/c of personal reasons. Extras are defined the same way: they could, technically, be done by all as a money making technique, but only certain girls choose to make their money this way. I am not upset by the girls that do them, they simply have another way to make money than the standard dance hustle, its just not my style. I can't complain to management that they are doing extras and keeping me from making money, any manager would laugh in my face. If we go by the term extra in reference to sexual contact, well they are providing sexual contact and engaging in a live sex act for money. Hmmmm.................lines kinda blurry depending on what kinda situation and example one chooses to use.
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    I think its maybe time that we start a glossary of strip club lingo like TUSCL has.

    Not to throw another wrench into the works here, but like the other "extras" threads on SW and SCJ, there doesn't seem to be an absolute definition of what constitutes an extra.

    I think that were all in agreement that blatent sex acts are "extras". I've never had any of those, and don't wish to have any.

    TUSCL's glossary defines an extra as some sort of sex. I somewhat disagree with that definition as a dancer doesn't neccesarily have to go that far.

    I'm sure a number of girls perform "Minor extras" - (fondling or other contact that is against club policy) like what Divyne was describing. That's where things tend to get a bit fuzzy. What might be considered an extra in one location might be considered standard service in another.

    I have had a growing number of these in recent months and didn't even have to ask for them. This is clearly a product of some desperate dancers trying to push the envelope, and as a result OTHER dancers who would not otherwise do them, feel that they have give equally high mileage to compete. Its gotten so bad to the point, that some of the dancers act think its weird for me to keep my hands to my sides.

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    good luck with that one bud
    this topic has been beaten to shit
    and i would appreciate it if we didnt start another flame war enough is enough with the extras
    Holly, I agree it has been discussed a great deal, but never honestly.

    I have to tell you, if this board is about strippers only one of two things is true:

    1) Dancers who provide extras don't bother with this board.

    2) Dancers who provide extras are all over this board, they just don't admit that they do extras.

    Quite honestly, I have been in these clubs as an employee [bouncer] and customer for years. I am here to tell you that no matter the level of club; be it "Up Scale", down scale, neighborhood; bikini, topless, nude, I have found dancers that would provide 'extras. Some inside the club. Some outside the club.

    From my own observations the upscale "gentleman's clubs" ratio of dancers who provide extras, on or off premises, is approximately 1:10 [one in ten]. When you start getting into down scale, neighborhood, and finally "down low" or underground clubs that percentage goes much higher.

    So, while I can appreciate that dancers may not want to hear this, I think they delude themselves [to their own detriment, because pretending something doesn't exist when it is so prevalant is hardly ever wise] if they just wish it away.
    Those that don't take shouldn't be taken.

    To those special folk who realize all we are doing is throwing ideas about and who know the difference between opinion and Id, I appreciate reading your thoughts [and respect them whether I agreed with you or not].

    To less open minded folk who feel the need to silence those in opposition to their view of the world I suggest to you that you just might be your own worst enemies.

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    I will go out on a limb and make one pertinent comment ...

    The majority of dancers who post on this board are NOT typical of your average group of 1000 dancers. Most of us who post on this board are above average in appearance, which allows us to work in relatively upscale clubs. Most of us regularly work in cities where the economy is not so bad and the competition is not so fierce that we don't have to face the decision of doing super-high contact/extras to earn money versus doing low/no contact and earning less than a WalMart cashier. A number of us travel, which allows us to avoid "bad" areas and to avoid some seasonal earnings swings.

    I can totally respect girls who must work under circumstances where doing 'extras' or not means the difference between feeding their baby, paying their rent, and making their car payment or not. It's certainly a very tough decision to face.
    It certainly is.

    Still, Melonie, I think you either don't know the make up of your own end of the pool, or have closed your eyes to it.

    Do you have any idea how many "feature dancers" work for outfits like "Nici", or similar? We aren't talking "extras" here, Nici acted as an agent for full service providers.

    Let us be totally candid. I've seen the upscale market and there are many women within it that are available for all manner of "extras" for the right price.

    I pass NO JUDGEMENT on this. How could I, I'd be damning myself. The reason I know of such things, again to be candid, is that I have availed myself of their services.

    So I know its so, because I have "scored" with Scores girls. Same for Priviledge, GGR, Stilleto's, Lace, insert name of upscale "gentleman's club" here, etc, etc, etc.

    Sometimes its about the fun. Sometimes [a lot of times... I have no delusions about that... I am far too much the pragmatist] its about the money. Sometimes its both. I can't be the only customer this happens with, nor are the dancers I have known [biblically] the only one's providing "extras" in all levels of strip-clubs.

    So let us not pretend it doesn't happen, because it does. It happens a lot.

    Let us, instead, discuss it realistically. Its [pardon the expression] ins and outs. So that dancers truly know what is going on, and how to handle it.
    Those that don't take shouldn't be taken.

    To those special folk who realize all we are doing is throwing ideas about and who know the difference between opinion and Id, I appreciate reading your thoughts [and respect them whether I agreed with you or not].

    To less open minded folk who feel the need to silence those in opposition to their view of the world I suggest to you that you just might be your own worst enemies.

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    I just can't beleive this topic came up again. It's on the board already, and anyone can read how we dancers differ on this topic.

    This topic caused problems before amoung some, and i chose not to voice my opinion again. It's in the other thread. Extras, and prostituiton for that matter.
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    Thanks, Melonie. Yes it is a tough decision. And by the way, Holly, I am a dancer so "Bud" doesn't really apply to me. Seems to me the only thing that's been beaten to death about this has been women talking about how they would never do extras, and would report those who do. I'm more interested in women like me who have two kids in a tough economy. I think Melonie is probably right. This site doesn't reflect the real world of dancers, and instead caters to a lucky few. But thanks for starting the joke page, Holly. I love it!!
    Ms M, I think it reflects the real dancer world more then one may think.

    The REAL dancer world is one where extras are available at all levels, and everyone denies it.

    So, this pretty much mirrors the real world very nicely.

    The problem with that is , since nothing ever gets discussed, nothing ever changes.

    If this is the true nature of strip-clubs [and I would argue it is] then dancers ought to be aware of it so that they can make informed decisions. Also, dancers who do provide extras, now knowing they are not some tiny little minority, wouldn't have to feel they are some parasites who hopped on to this thing called "strip-clubs" and are sucking the life out of it. This is the impression some would give them. I think its a little unfair, considering it is my impression that these very women are the catalyst for much of the money that comes into the clubs [see my poll thread for more on that].

    No, strip-clubs are a microcosm of society at large. America is a country were no one talks about sex, except in whispers. So, "There is no sex in the Champange Room", is the official pary line. Even though the official party line happens to be full of it.
    Those that don't take shouldn't be taken.

    To those special folk who realize all we are doing is throwing ideas about and who know the difference between opinion and Id, I appreciate reading your thoughts [and respect them whether I agreed with you or not].

    To less open minded folk who feel the need to silence those in opposition to their view of the world I suggest to you that you just might be your own worst enemies.

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    . by the way, Holly, I am a dancer so "Bud" doesn't really apply to me........But thanks for starting the joke page, Holly. I love it!!
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    I just can't beleive this topic came up again. It's on the board already, and anyone can read how we dancers differ on this topic.

    This topic caused problems before amoung some, and i chose not to voice my opinion again. It's in the other thread. Extras, and prostituiton for that matter.
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    I've read the threads you allude to Pamela.

    As I have stated, I find them highly unrealistic when compared to what I know from first hand observation of the market.

    I think it would benefit all to talk about it frankly... at least once. How does anyone learn anything if all that ever gets posted on the topic is denials, denials and... you guessed it, more denials.

    Either that or, computer savvy strip-club dancers who we have all manner of websites up, etc, are deliberately choosing to avoid this place. Could that possibly be true? Does it seem likily that such individuals have nothing to say here? Aren't lurking? Aren't actual posters, just not upfront on the issue?

    It just seems so unlikily that the actual strip-club enviorment I have witnessed with my own eyes is what is being represented within these walls.
    Those that don't take shouldn't be taken.

    To those special folk who realize all we are doing is throwing ideas about and who know the difference between opinion and Id, I appreciate reading your thoughts [and respect them whether I agreed with you or not].

    To less open minded folk who feel the need to silence those in opposition to their view of the world I suggest to you that you just might be your own worst enemies.

    Karma to the people!

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    BTW, understand, I cast no negative conations on these dancers. In fact I celebrate them, along with the "good girls" who add to the sensuous nature of the strip-club. Together they make the strip-club scene what it is. A little something for everybody, or for every mood.
    Those that don't take shouldn't be taken.

    To those special folk who realize all we are doing is throwing ideas about and who know the difference between opinion and Id, I appreciate reading your thoughts [and respect them whether I agreed with you or not].

    To less open minded folk who feel the need to silence those in opposition to their view of the world I suggest to you that you just might be your own worst enemies.

    Karma to the people!

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    And the women have stated their points before, and so have i. But this subject keeps coming up by someone "again", over time. I sell sex everyday. Men pay me to hear my voice on the phone while talking dirty, and i sell my looks while stripping. I don't do laps, so they will have to do with stage dancing for my extras, or naughty conversation!
    Thorn...Have you ever though you have never seen the whole picture when it comes to dancing, or have not been to all the clubs in the world?
    If you want to thrown "extras" into all clubs because we dance naked, and a guy can touch "someplace on us", then this topic should be closed. What more can you ask for?
    I am telling you i am not an "extra" girl. And in our club it refers to illegal activity. Simple when i get right to the point.
    You seem to have your doubts. And is it out of the norm for some dancers to just do the job they were hired to do, with no "hanky panky" ???
    I have made my point, enough said.
    Damn spelling again....but i am cleaning in between postings... KISSES TO YOU LEIGH

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    You have come thru again for us Pamela, and I again tell you I adore you for standing up - there ARE those of us who DO NOT engage in the prostitution side of our industry - I am NOT talking about those minor infractions that keep getting tossed into the mix here, contact "brushing up against' stuff and such ---I am talking FULL on sex for cash. Handjob for $$ blowjob for $$ any penetration by customer anal, vaginal, oral***whatever**** for $$ ALL the shit you can be legally charged for (except nevada). There are full on hookers in our industry masquerading as dancers and therein lies OUR issues. If Thorn and others like him decide we are liars, because of all the endless contact with the aforementioned hookers in our industry THIS IS EXACTLY why those of us who are clean dancers are royally PISSED about! DUH!
    This is our forum and we sound off, and THIS is yet another reason why we are pissed. YOU SIMPLY CAN NOT PAINT US ALL WITH THE SAME BRUSH!
    Again Pamela, Hurrah for your points, alway a pleasure to consider myself in your company - our kind as it were.
    ...so dont fall off your chair naysayer; there ARE dancers WHO DANCE!
    LIVE LONG & PROSPER!
    Leigh Landon

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