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    The strip club industry has really changed over the years. Where do you see this business in five years? Do you think dancers will continue to make good money? Or do you think that eventually strip clubs will become so commonplace that we will not be a novelty anymore, and clubs may even begin to vanish.

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    This business is here to stay. It has evolved with the times since the days of vaudeville and beyond, and will continue to evolve and prosper. Clubs will come and go; strippers will compete with, love, hate, help, fight each other; customers will make strippers feel like goddesses and crap simultaneaously; owners and managers will do what they can to maintain the bottom line; strippers will resent them for some of those things; and the business will keep trucking with people making money as long as men are horny!

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    Just my own opinion, but I see US and Canadian strip clubs slowly but surely headed in the direction of the two tier European club structure. In Europe you have "show clubs" which offer the absolute best of the best looking girls with professional level dancing skills as the "ultimate eye candy" in a very upscale, high class, zero contact environment. And in Europe you also have "sex clubs" where guys whose true interest is renting female companionship can do so with the understanding and de facto approval of local citizens and government. You'll notice that what's missing in the European club structure, and what in my opinion will be missing here in a few years, are the "middle of the road" clubs which offer dancers who are less than the best looking, but who do not offer sex. I'm also certain that public sentiment here will never allow widespread legalized sex clubs, which will mean that girls working in such clubs here will be providing "extras" in order to earn any decent money but will constantly be looking over their shoulder as they risk being busted every day. Not a promising prospect if you happen to be an '8' like me with next to zero chance of being hired in the upscale no contact show clubs.

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    Not a promising prospect if you happen to be an '8' like me with next to zero chance of being hired in the upscale no contact show clubs.
    Most of the girls I've met in clubs are in that 6-8 range and it kind of sad to think that the industry might be heading for some sort of 'critical mass', where a lot of decent dancers aren't going to be able to find work that doesn't involve a condom and monthly testing for disease.

    But I also think things aren't going to be as doom and gloom as some fear. This business will change and there will always be regional differences in laws and regulations that might give girls who can't compete in one market a chance to work in another.

    There will ALWAYS be a need for men to be in search of female praise, and offering personal attention and praise is what dancers do best. Most prostitutes are simply too concerned with the...ahem, "physical" nature of their jobs to offer that.

    Strip clubs will still be around in 2050, technology will give them a considerably different look than they do today, but they WILL be there.
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    What Melonie describes has already happened in Louisville, KY. The Seventh Street Road clubs are essentially sex clubs. The other clubs are low contact and mostly eye candy.

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    I have heard talk before,(years off and on,) how bad the industry is going to get. The only change i have noticed is a nude club going topless, and nude clubs moving in thearea. The men still go. They still pay. They always will. As a magazine,or a porno movie, no GF etc. just gtes boring for some. They want to go see us dance and strip for them. Plus have conversation with us! I don't see it crashing. Pamela

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    I totally agree with Catfish that "location" will always be a huge factor. Pamela is lucky enough to have staked out a "pocket" which hasn't been affected much by the economic downturn and where customers are willing to spend money without expecting heavy contact. As Zofia posts, Louisville and a large number of cities have been hard hit by the economic downturn, hurting club business and as a result squeezing out the "middle of the road" clubs in favor of a handful of very upscale show clubs catering to remaining upscale customers plus a major increase in contact levels in the clubs trying to pry as many dollars as possible away from blue collar and horn dog customers. Unfortunately, from what I see, the unaffected "pockets" are getting smaller, and the list of cities being hit by the economic downturn is getting longer.

    I already have to rely on travelling to find markets where it's still possible for an '8' like myself to achieve decent earnings without excessive mileage. But this is becoming increasingly less profitable as the costs of gasoline, airline tickets etc. continue to rise while club earnings potentials drift down, and as the risks of being busted due to "guilt by association" increase as well.

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    Boy Melonie i hope you are wrong. Something tells me that you are not, given time. My mother called from Sweden a week or so ago, one of the best upscale clubs just got shut down over there. And in Sweden we are very open to nudity, sex etc.
    And you know i see it slowing around here some too. I just can't figure out if it's me not putting in my regular hours anymore, or the clubs themselves. 2 of my regulars got married, no longer come to visit. They were GREAT money. I look at it this way. Now i have to replace them.
    MELONIE....lets head off to Europe! Lol
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    The business is ALREADY sucking. Guys in traditional heavy stage tipping clubs are slow to drop a $.Guys are only buying 1 dance.

    Pamela, we are all blessed to have regulars from time to time but a regular is NOT A PERMANENT FIXTURE.

    The fact that the better money in this business nowadays is coming from regulars vs. several years back where in the best clubs you had a full house and a MIXED CLIENTELE you could hop from table to table selling several dances to a dozen or more guys a night is about faded out.

    You cannot RELY on a few men spending several hundred dollars a night EVERY night for your livelihood. The STEADY income is derived from a club that caters to all types, has good momentum where guys feel obligated to tip graciously on stage and which has REASONABLY priced dances where 7 out of 10 guys will buy a few from several girls. The owner must keep the club exciting and kept up constantly so that the volume will be high 7 days a week and the guys will patronize it several times a month and out of town travelers are made aware of the clubs presense and stop in while passing through town or staying on business, see they flow of money spending, and tip on stage and buy dances.

    I had one customer buy 20 dances from me Thursday night and last night the young crowd sucked so bad I left work at Midnight with $36 after payouts.

    If you have to depend on regulars in this business your income will be like a rollercoaster.

    With more conservative contact laws being passed in new cities and towns every month, there is a point where guys will stop spending because they are getting no gratification from the dances.

    Even if perfect 10's work in an expensive club, I still say that all men want stimulation from dances whether they are white collar or working class. Those clubs are going down too.

    There is a certain median amount of contact that most men will accept and still be willing to buy dances. If the US as a whole made lap dancing legal with grinding but no touching the crotch area, guys would pay for that and still go to clubs.If clubs were randomly visited and fined $1000 for every girl who performed a sex act or who let a customer touch between herlegs and the girl was fined as well, this business could be saved. If features could touch themselves and as I saw one girl do during Pheasant season In ruaral SD put beads in her pussy and have a tip railee pull them out with his mouth. Simulated sex acts on stage only using dildos and toys should be allowed nationwide.

    This is what the business is about and what makes it fun and a party for the guys. No fucking in the clubs but stimulating dances and a good sex performance on stage.

    This is what is needed to restore life into the business. Without it, in 5 years the clubs will not be worth $100 a night in 5 years and even 10's will suffer as guys won't want to pay hundreds of dollars for look but not get aroused girls.

    This business is on a terrible slide. All the average dancer can make now is bill money workg full time with maybe a couple thousand in savings. And this year is worse than last.

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    SOOO true Tina, i got used to a guy i met at the club for 6 years straight, not permanent, but lasts longer than some marriages!! Lol.
    Whoa Tina, i still pay all my bills off my weekly earinings. But times have changed yes, they marry move on. More regulars come, and fall in love with the "dancer" in you. I don't know, location and what they like are huge factors while being a dancer. October rocked! Loads of guys and money. Slower now. I expect (hope) to pick up this summer. I still have faith in the business. Guess i always will until there is no more dancing clubs. Thats me. Optimistic. Great money and health to us all!! I have always depended on my regulars for the best money. And i had to build up alot of my time to get them. They are my best payers. They are consistant. And i hope to always get more. Hustle off my ass! But in the long run it pays...still. Pamela

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    Nope, Europe is out for me because I'm not a "10" who can make it past the audition at the upscale hostess clubs, therefore I'd be stuck delivering the whole enchalada at the sex clubs or losing money. Even in the UK, which has the closest club scene to the US, I doubt that I could earn enough to offset the travel and accomodation expenses with the US$ exchange rate down. Besides, I'm already collecting $3.99 a minute from some UK and European guys on my WebCam, and there are enough foreign travel warnings to scare US embassy staff right now!

    I hope that I'm wrong, too! Unfortunately, the more I travel around and see another city devastated by massive layoffs in a key industry, yet another city passing a zero contact dance club ordinance, still another city now offering Bunny Ranch mileage in VIP rooms of what otherwise appear to be upscale clubs, and the handful of low contact show clubs which still remain now only hiring '10's but '10's who happen to meet the club manager's personal fetish requirements (and turning away '10's who don't), the harder it is to hold onto a positive attitude about the future.

    I agree with Pamela that it's tough to replace lost middle-aged regulars with new ones. To do this, for the most part a girl needs to be working in an upscale club to have access to regulars with big money. If you're a '7' or and '8' that's easier said than done. Second, younger guys do NOT have the kind of incomes that middle aged guys usually do, and younger guys also have access to willing younger girls through the regular party club scene, making them poor candidates for big money regulars . Any middle-aged guys still out there usually have seen their own stock portfolio value cut in half over the past two years, their business expense account now cut back and tightly scrutinized, and are starting to worry about using every extra dollar to pay off their credit cards and expensive car loans since they won't be getting any raises or bonuses this year, making easy money from lonely middle-aged guys a tall order these days as well.

    I totally agree with Tina that every city has a certain 'threshold' of contact below which customers are not going to be willing to part with lots private dance $$$. If a city passes an ordinance which restricts contact to levels well below that threshold, it's a sure bet that either A.) girls obeying the ordinance will see their earnings drop like a stone, or B.) that girls will have to break the ordinance and risk being busted to earn the same money they used to (actuallty probably still less, since the ordinance itself will chase away a certain amount of customers in the belief that they can't find contact without risk of being busted themselves).

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    I am quite sure that most of the continued downturn is due to all the talk of war. No one wants to spend money anywhere in a slow economy, and with so much war talk, that makes it worse. When money isn't being spent in the general economy, it's not going to be spent in strip clubs as much either. None of this is going to last forever. People have been saying the strip industry is going to hell forever. Maybe it is going to hell, but it's slow and I'd venture to say that most of us won't be dancing when the industry actually reaches hell Furthermore, I think the clubowners will have something to say about the industry fading to such disastrous levels, so I suspect they'll be fighting that tooth and nail. As for us dancers, we have to keep a positive attitude, keep ourselves looking our best, keep improving our performances, and focus on what we can do rather than what we wish someone else would do.

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    horn dog
    LOL Melonie! I haven't heard that phrase in a while. Reading that in your post made me giggle

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    Bridgette, I didn't realize that I was "showing my age" with the horn dog comment. "Cheap-ass lowlife scumbag fucking pervert" is the customary term used in dressing rooms in my neck of the woods for customers who exhibit that classic characteristic! Fortunately, guys tell me that a girl is never over the hill as long as her age doesn't exceed her bust measurement, so I've got a few good years left I guess!

    Sorry that I can't agree with the idea of possible war as an explanation for poor club earnings. From what my mom and grandma have told me, WW2, Korea and especially the VietNam years were the wildest years for partying of the past century, because guys partied like there was no tomorrow (and for some there wasn't!). Clubs located within the immediate vicinity of military bases are an exception of course if 50% of the GI's stationed there have already been sent to the middle east!

    I would sooner think it has more to do with credit cards being maxxed out, no raises or bonuses this year, gasoline and heating oil prices being sky high, state and local taxes due for major increases, stocks and investment earnings are generally in the tank, insurance costs which have gone up like 40%, and real estate values which have stopped rising in most locations making it impossible to refinance their homes yet again to pay off those credit cards. Spending money in dance clubs is a luxury, and when "necessary expenses" start to eat up 100% of a paycheck it forces guys to decide whether to give up private dances or give up making payments on their new car or truck after all of the "necessary expenses" are paid for.

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    Mel, I certainly did not mean to imply you're in any way over the hill - just thought the horn dog phrase was funny.

    Anyway, I agree with your analysis of why guys aren't spending, but I think one of the root causes of that is shaky political ground - it's like a giant circle: if consumers spend less, businesses spend less, then employees earn less, which makes them continue to spend less, all of which provides less tax income for government. All of that keeps the whole economy in a rut, and the only thing that can pull it out is for one of those groups to start spending more money - like the government spending for war expenses, or businesses investing, or consumer spending. That is one explanation for how the economy was pulled out of the gutter previously - like massive government spending for WWII pumped more $$ into the economic flow back then. In my opinion, much of the current economic turmoil would lift if so many people weren't in such fear of what's happening politically - no one will spend, not consumers, not businesses, until they feel more secure with where things are going. And since it's unlikely that the government will inject massive amounts of cash into OUR economy for wartime expenses, we will apparently have to wait until either a war has happened and we've won, or something else happens to release the pressure that's been stifling the country. Of course, the WTC tragedy caused a huge slide and alot of people lost alot of money, but that can be recovered with increased spending on investments and consumption.

    Ok, sorry for the bore. I studied economics, and that was me getting a little lost in a topic I love I know most people are terribly bored by all that, so I'll stop now.

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    Guys jack off more when money is tight LOL!

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    Bridgette, if you only knew how wrong you are! The reason I spend such an inordinate amount of time on this forum is precisely because I get to read posts like this one of yours. That's what grabbed me right away--it was the "Smart Women" post by NYCjacqueline.

    Other than describing youself as boring, you are so right! The world's economic health is ruled by mob psychology. With the same exact amount of people employed, consumable goods on warehouse shelves, natural resources waiting to be exploited, etc., the economy can be destroyed in less than 24 hours by, literally, a 'panic' in the stock market.

    Here we are, supposedly the most the most advanced civilization in history, and we are dependant on the variegations of what a friend of mine who made a killing there described, accurately enough, as being a "horse race".

    When the best way to boost a troubled economy out of danger is by starting a war regarded as unnecessary by the vast majority of the world, something is very wrong indeed. I would far rather see the effort made, as I have said before, in a bloodless war to conquer space, which would do far more to stimulate the development of improved, competetive technologies, and so forth.

    I don't know how much this would help the exotic dance industry, but it sure wouldn't hurt, LOL. Actually, I'm being selfish since I'm so near the Space Coast.

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