hi there. i'm new to this forum. i've spent the last two days pouring over every thread. i really love the dialogue that's going on. it's so exhilerating to have found a space where this many smart, witty, amazing working girls are talking out the trade.
but i have a problem with the anti-whore sentiments that keep coming up in so many of the threads. i realize that this is a stripper forum, however, i also know that many girls who dance have also had and/or currently have a lot of crossover, working in other areas of the sex trade as well.
i have been working in the sex trade for the last five years. over the course of that time, i have worked consistently as a stripper, and in the midst of all this dancing, i have also worked as a hooker, a whore, a pro. and i'm a firm believer in the fact that there is nothing wrong with any of the job choices that i have made. three years ago i stopped being a pro and since then, have soley stripped. i stopped being a pro because i didn't want to whore anymore. this isn't about moralism, it's about differences in job requirements. just as there is nothing shameful or dirty about being a stripper, there is nothing shameful or dirty about whoring.
that said, i do not condone extras being done in strip clubs. never once in my time working as a pro did i do extras in the strip club. strip clubs are for stripping. not blowjobs, handjobs, pussy action, etc.
some strippers are also hookers, and sometimes they'll hustle club clients for hotel sex later. it wasn't my style when i worked pro, and i wouldn't encourage it. but would i rather hookers hustle for hotel sex inside the club than on street corners? yes. a safety issue is a safety issue. do i want to know about it? not really. i don't care what kind of business girls take outside of the club.
what i'm deeply invested in is what goes on inside my club, because it affects me. when girls offer extras in a strip club, they are not hookers. they are strippers giving extras. and i have a lot of problems with extras being offered. but it's not because i think that the girls who give extras are dirty whores who have no self-respect. i have a problem with extras because their presence affects my ability to successfully do my job.
awhile ago the supreme court of canada ruled that touching in strip clubs was legal. this was and continues to be a very sticky subject, as the limitations and possibilites of "touching" still haven't been clearly demarcated. in many cases, management doesn't even know what's legal and what's not.
in toronto, where i work, this new ruling really lessened the gap between clean and dirty clubs. girls from dirty clubs came to work in clean clubs. where touching was once considered extra, it's now considered standard, and the "touch" that's expected and offered is pretty excessive. club standards have gotten really sketchy and competition is huge as all of us, those that do extras and those that don't, fight to make a living. at my club, which, in customer-speak, was known as a low mileage club, girls have really struggled with this climate change. fights have broken out over dancing too dirty, girls are on extras patrol, and a lot of us aren't making the money we once were because of all the extras that so many girls are doing.
i have watched clean dancers dance dirty out of desperation. i have watched girls do extras at no extra charge. (if you're going to do extras, charge and charge well! a $20 blow job is ludicrous. not only is it a ridiculously degrading amount of money for the service, but extras in general are ridiculously risky -- they put your job at risk, they increase the potential for raids in a club thereby putting the jobs of other girls in the club at risk, and extras, particularly poorly compensated extras, lower the value of the club and the work itself. i've charged customers extra to simply talk dirty to them -- it's about creating excessive value for your time and your dances. when customers think that you're expensive, they'll always pay more.)
in no way am i claiming to be a purist. i think that every girl has, at some point or another, had her boundaries crossed and/or engaged in activities that she wasn't necessarily comforatable with, out of financial desperation or just plain naivity. the bottom line here, is that when girls give extras it makes my job harder, and i've lost a lot of business.
really, what this all comes down to is club etiquette, not who's the biggest whore. stripper is not a dirty word and neither is whore or hooker. when girls talk down girls who whore, it's a problem. it's judgemental and moralistic. strippers have a lot in common with hookers. sex work is sex work -- there really is no hierarchy. you just can't de-stigmatize dancing by stigmatizing whoring. regardless of the distinctions dancers may try to make between themselves and pros, the social and cultural judgements that exist don't make these distinctions. within this industry, we all get considered whores whether we sleep with men for money or not. and just as there are pros who, like me, didn't and/or don't give extras in the club, there are strippers who give extras in the club, and think that hookers are dirty. these distinctions just don't make any sense. dismissing pros as stupid sluts does nothing to better the name of stripper. i'm not a better person now that i no longer sleep with men for money. i simply have a different job. that's all.




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