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    Default What is "High Contact?"

    I actually asked this in a post on the Club Chat but I think it fits better here.

    Similar to the "do you do extras?" strand....how do each of you define high contact?

    I've worked at clubs where there was zero contact and we couldn't even sit on customers laps to talk to them (we had to pull up a chair next to them) And I've worked at the Hustler Club where girls are giving hj and bj in the champagne room.

    I guess these are my definitions:
    zero contact: air dances. no sitting on customer's lap at all, Example: Orange County, CA

    low contact: can sit on customer's lap, his hands stay on the arms of the chair when dancing. Can wiggle for a few seconds on his lap, but no heavy grinding Example: Phoenix, AZ

    Medium Contact: can sit on customer's lap, his hands can touch your waist, hips, thighs, but no heavy groping on the breasts. A little grinding, but not for the whole song or for him to get off in his pants. No sex in the Champagne room Example: Clark County, NV clubs: SR, Club Paradise, Jags

    Moderate-high Contact: all over body and breast fondling, and heavy grinding on main floor, but no sex in the champagne room. Example: OG, CH2 in Vegas

    High Contact: customers can freely grope the breasts on main floor. Girls grind and ride customers to ejaculation on main floor. HJ, BJ, full service in champagne room Ex: San Francisco.
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    Britney,

    Thanks for bringing this up, because I'm a might confused myself. Your categories work for me although everybody probably has their own standards.

    I prefer the simple system below although one could break it down by the degree of what the customer and/or dancer could get away with like you did:

    No contact: Just what it means, no contact. You can get as close as an inch. If it's inadvertent I'll even allow for bumping, but nothing intentional.

    One-way contact: Dancer can make contact with customer, even going so far as grinding, but customer must keep hands to sides.

    Two-way contact: Customer can touch dancer and vice versa, provided the intent isn't to get the guy off, now IF it just sort of happens, well...that's kind of a gray area.

    :o Anything where an BLATENT intended sex act (bj, hj, etc.) is involved is beyond my scale. To me that's outright prostitution, not a lap dance.
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    Default Re: What is "High Contact?"

    Well you both have given very sufficient definitions that i would say sounds about right for a lot of places.
    I'd say that your reference to places is also enlightening.


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    Default Re: What is "High Contact?"

    I agree with BritneyIreland on the defs from a stripper point of view, and with DrCatfish for defs from a customer point of view. I think those would both be pretty widely agreed-opon, and they sort of overlap. Low-contact would be similar to one-way contact, two-way would include medium and medium-high contact, and his 'blatent' sex act would be HIGH contact or 'extras'.

    Most clubs leave too much of the discretion to the dancers, rather than clearly defining what is allowed where, but I prefer clubs with more specific, better-enforced rules. Ex: At my club there is no touching allowed on the main floor, stage-dancing only, guys are not allowed to touch the girls on stage, we have to pull up a chair to sit with a customer, but we are allowed to take our stage tips between breasts, in mouth or side of g-string (provided it is just enough to pass the $) I'd call that no-contact. All private dances are on second floor - laps in one room, VIP in another. Customers must keep hands to the side during laps, but we can sit on their laps and wiggle/grind briefly. I call that low contact. In VIP guys are allowed to touch us anywhere but the butt, crotch and breasts, and we can grind (not to get them off), but must be obviously not doing anything else. I call that medium contact.

    I am confortable with these levels of contact and find that is the type of club in which I make the most money cosistently, and I think the clearly defined levels make things more comfotable for customers. It not only allows us to maintain a nice atmosphere by keeping the contact controlled, but gives paying customers the opportunity to get a little special treatment without every tom dick and harry ogling, AND gives the dancers selling points for more profit potential.

    So there's my long-winded (as usual) answer.

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    Default Re: What is "High Contact?"

    I've always defined it in terms of the Dance.

    Air Dance: No contact obviously. Usually a more seculded version of the dancers stage performance and often NOT as stimulating as her Stage. ALL Fantasy here but sometimes fantasy is better than reality.

    Table Dance: Minimal contact usually on the dancers part only. Teasing and flirting but not interactive. Can be done on a couch or a bed as well. No Grinding but can include light lap contact. (A 1st song dance in the upsell string)

    Lap Dance: 50% of the song is done on the customers lap (light grinding) and 50% air. Light touching is allowed on the dancers outer thighs and back. (2nd dance in the upsell)

    Lap Grind: Not much Dancing here. 75% of the song is either full grind or between the knees. The "No-Fly Zone" is smaller and touching extends to inner thighs and breasts. (3rd dance in the upsell)

    Dry Hump: More like an epileptic fit than a Dance this is a full song with the "intent" to get the customer off. Faster and harder grind with more touching slip ups. Its outright funy to watch these done to a slow song. (4th song upsell complete) The customer usually heads straight to the restroom and the dancer to the dressing room after this song.

    Hardcore Porn: HJ, BJ, or penetration. The interesting part here is the way the girl attempts to hide this from the security cams/bouncers. Long hair is an advantage as is a long dress or robe. Warning signs are when the Dancers hand remains in the crotch "area" the whole song or she remains on her knees for extended time with her hair hiding the "area" . The customer usually leaves after this song is over. (They Cum and Go)

    Chris Rock was wrong. There IS Sex in the "Champagne room" at Olympic Garden" and many other Clubs. I worked at OG when they first installed the remote "Zoom, Pan and Scan" Cams and we had quite a few girls captured on video performing "hardcore extras" . Its funny because many of these girls were the most vocal opponents of "Full Service" in the dressing room conversations. Many Clubs now have the remote automated cams and it still amazes me what some girls will do and then deny. You'd be amazed at what you can "catch" on a good remote-zoomed security cam with a pan and scan mount. Whay may look innocent from one view is pure guilty from another angle.

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    Default Re: What is "High Contact?"

    That's interesting DJ Wulf, I found there was LESS contact in the Champagne room at OG because it was less crowded and the VIP host could see into the booths. He actually interrupted my dance (I was there for 2 hours!) several times to remind me to keep only one knee on the couch.
    My guy tipped him well in the beginning and the end....so I'm not sure what was goin' on! When did you work there?

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    Default Re: What is "High Contact?"

    lets just say houston usually starts with the hIGH contact porn dance as yall put it
    The sex was so good that even the neighbors had a cigarette
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    Once again depends on where your at. 1 club i work. Medium contact: Guy can only touch outside (never inside thighs.) of legs from knees down. He can touch upper part of back and hair. Arms too. Thats it. Lap dance: dancer does light touch with her ass on his lap., no grinding.
    Table dance: dancer does the touching on guys legs, (no crotch area,) arms, hair, neck. Can lap, but slight touch of our ass on his lap. Again no grinding. Guy does no touching.
    I believe Location says it all. Pamela

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    Default Re: What is "High Contact?"

    Britney: I was at OG in 90 & 91 and at CH2 before that for a year. As I'm sure you know Vegas goes thru it's phases depending on the political climate and in those days it was fairly open. Also, it's not like this happened all the time. Maybe 20 times in the 2 years I was there.

    Actual Sex in a strip club does happen but it's certainly not the norm anywhere. Maybe 10% of the time even in Houston, Memphis or Tampa regardless of what some customers might believe. Much less often in other areas but it still happens even in the best of Clubs. It is NOT however always pointed out by Management even if it is caught on video.
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    Default Re: What is "High Contact?"

    High Contact is there for the asking in the 7th Street Road clubs in Louisville. Every girl working in any of those establishments will provide the mileage, for a price, otherwise they will make $0. The other clubs in town are low or medium contact.

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    Default Re: What is "High Contact?"

    Pamela,

    Your response illustrates what I was trying to find out: since contact DOES vary by location, I was trying to see if there was a consensus on exactly what "high contact" is. A dancer at a "low contact" club might think she's giving a high contact dance if she grinds for more than a second. However, a dancer at a "high contact" club might think she's a low contact dancer because she doesn't grind for a whole song.

    The reason I asked was because after being one of the cleanest dancers at Hustler in SF (I gave medium contact by my above definitions) I moved to Phoenix where I scaled it back to low contact. However, even though I though I was doing a low contact dance, there were girls bitching about what a hooker I was because I was wiggling a little on the customer's lap. Guess it's all a matter of perspective.

    It sounds like your club in FL is zero-low contact. Christie's in Phoenix is low, Houston and San Fran are high.

    Oh and FYI, I make only slightly less money (about 15-20% less) doing low contact $10 dances than I did doing medium contact $20 dances....but wow is my psyche so much more positive
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    Yea we can call it zero - low!!! I like that a hell of alot better. But they do call it...themselves...of course Medium contact. Go figure.
    BY my standards that is LOW contact to!!! Medium go's pretty far at some Lauderdale clubs i have been part of..Pamela
    PS , and Britney, been there heard that from other dancers as well.

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    Hi Britney...
    I am thinking of auditioning at The Gold club and Boys Toys in S.F. How would you rate these clubs, in terms of allowable/acceptable/expected contact? Thanks...
    Nola ??? :-/

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    Britney...I was also considering Hustler in S.F. but now I am not so sure....Did you say HJ and BJ in the Champagne room????
    Nola

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    Nola,

    Even BT and GC have moderate contact on the main floor (hands on hips, thighs, light grinding and breast fondling) to high contact in the VIP (heavy grinding, lots of breast fondling.

    BT, which will soon re-open as The Penthouse Club caters to the very high class clientele. On the surface it looks like a very well-run, high class, low-mileage topless club, but in reality it's nothing more than another DejaVu brothel. It took me a year to figure that out. They are remodeling the VIP room and installing private booths to facilitate higher contact.

    BT has a very obvious heirarchy: they take care of their VIP girls, and hook them up with the high rollers. However, as a VIP girl you are required to perform duties outside of the club (catch my drift???) Just hustling the floor as a clean dancer (after paying out) will really only net 3 or 4 a night tops.

    At Hustler, the VIP host staples the curtains around the little lap dance couches, so although you'll never SEE another girl giving hj and bj, it's very common. I never did anything more than high contact dances back there, but it was very frustrating to see the same girls walk out with 2 or 3Gs when I could only make 1/4 of that!

    Gold Club has supposedly cleaned up it's act. All of my friends that were fed up with the DejaVu extras are working there now. All extras are performed outside of the club (and there are MANY girls there who use the club to find their john for the night) so at least INSIDE the club you aren't competing with girls doing extras.

    My solution was to fly to Vegas every other weekend until my lease was up and I moved. I hated working there because it was impossible to be a clean dancer and make a living.

    Good Luck!
    If you have any other ?s you can pm me and I will tell you more in detail.
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    If you are contact averse, stay away from ALL San Francisco clubs. This city has the highest level of contact in the country.

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    I don't mind guys touching my butt and legs so much, but my breasts? No way. Mainly because there are too many guys who grab and I don't want to get hurt. How did you deal with that?

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    Adina,

    A lot of girls at higher contact clubs deal with it by getting drunk or high. Not all, some are so immune to it that they can mentally block it out, but the hard-core extra girls are usually out of it.

    Not that I'm proud of it, but I used to drink much more at Hustler so I could deal with the touchy-feelyness of SF. I also would not allow anyone to touch my breasts on the main floor for $20, instead I would tell them that if they would have to pay $100 for 3 songs in the VIP if they wanted to touch above my waist. Then when we would get back there, I'd allow light touching, but not biting, sucking (we had sequin pasties on anyway) sqeezing, pinching, or anything that hurt. Most guys were gently anyway. I would get my Ben Franklin up front, so if he didn't adhere to my rules, the dance ended. Somehow, I justified it in my mind as "9 minutes, 100 bucks...I can do this"

    Of course, at that club there were other girls doing a lot more back there, so in my concious I was still a "clean" dancer.
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