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    Default What do Entertainers look for in Customers?

    ???I'm new here, and I am one of the ASPD members from Houston. I agree with some of what is said, and disagree aswell. What I don't understand is how a normal guy like myself can go into a club and be completely ignored by the staff. I look young, and I know that I look young, but is that really a determining factor to whether an Entertainer should say hi? I dress well, range from a 3 piece suit to golf shirt and slacks, never jeans, never shorts, and yet alot of the time I feel invisible, and you look around the club and there are atleast 4 or more girls sittin on their asses. So, my question is what do "Entertainers" look for in their customers?

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    Okay, question A do you just want a friendly hi or do you want a dance? If you want a dance (and this may sound obvious) you can ask a girl for one. If you want free conversation, well why should they? They can talk for free amongst themselves. Hustling can be HARD - there is a lot of no. A lot. Sometimes we've just had enough. Don't take it so personally.

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    That should not have been a smiley. That should have been the non smiley symbol. Like with a colon (

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    Sounds like a lazy club, and not very good hustlers around there. A good dancer does not turn down a new guy coming in the door. Or any person for that matter. I don't care about your age or looks.
    PS try NOT to sit in the back, get up front with the crowd, smile at a girl as she walks by. Better yet say a "loud hi" Pamela

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    Then your in the wrong club. I hate clubs that the girls sit down and talk to each other. How do they expect to make money. You should go to a club that the girls would pay more attention to their customers than themselves.

    My question is what do "Entertainers" look for in their customers?
    A good convo and their money...lol.

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    So what y'all are saying is the girls that walk away aren't worth getting dances from, and I should get the f out of that club and try another. Good advice. But is there something that will attract a girl to a customer (besides having a stack of money sittin g out on the table)?

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    If you are sloppy drunk i may pass you by. (i don't know your behaviour in a club.) Take control, speak up. hey ask for a dance. Pick a girl you like. Buy her a drink. Just do something, instead of sitting there. Check out the crowd, are they getting the brush off? Are the girls friendly? This seems odd, i have never known a guy to sit with money all over the place and not be taken. You take control then. See what hapens. If all fails, yes i would move to a better club. Pamela
    Ps...and quite banging your head, now i have a headache

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    Merely,

    The advice that you give, is what I have done in the past. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Treasures is the place it doesn't! Too many stuck up snobbie b****es who don't want to work for your money (and not to offend anyone when I say work I mean give a good dance w/o extras). I moved on to different places, and tipping on stage doesn't mean they will visit you, unless it's slow and they can't find anything better.

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    A confident smile and attitude will get you noticed, whether you be dancer or customer, whether you want to spend money on the right woman or make it from the right man. Some places just suck, and aren't worth going back to, but for when you find a good one, this might help.

    It is much better if a customer has a little sense of humor about the whole thing, and doesn't take it too seriously. It certainly helps to be a good tipper, but not to take that too seriously either--it's only a damned dollar, or five or ten if you feel generous (if you tip five or ten make sure they are singles, I can't count the times a dancer has asked me which of the guys tipped her the ten dollar bill, and I haven't the slightest idea because my mind is on the music), even I usually notice a guy who tips lavishly, and will endeavor to keep him going by buying him a drink, playing music he likes, etc. This always works, and the guy winds up spending even more money, and has a great time.

    There is an art of turning down a dancer when she asks you if you want a dance. It is far better to save a woman all the trouble of talking you up and enticing you, etc., if you have no intention of getting one--beware the temptation of keeping her at your table, no matter how charming she may be. If you smile and tell her she is very attractive but you don't want a dance now, you will avoid having her get frustrated and labelling you as another cheap asshole (not of course that you are).

    If the dancer in question immediately gets dismissive and or rude, you know to go elsewhere when you ARE ready for that dance. Avoid promising them you will get a dance later if you don't mean it, this only means they will keep coming back and will possibly get upset when you finally do say no for good.

    As I never get them even if I don't work there (I am a DJ and might wind up working with her next week at my club), I always try to let them know right away, and why. If they are cool about it I will tip them or send another girl to do so--this looks better (if the tipping girl likes to do this).

    These women have one of the hardest jobs I can imagine, even if at times it can be very easy and fun. Having to act sexy, vivacious, and upbeat when you have been insulted, groped or just plain bored (those slow nights can really wind on) all night is sometimes just too much, especially after months or years on end.

    The less you expect for your money, the more you are likely to get. The worst thing you can do (not that you would) is to sit at the edge of the stage, clutching your miserable dollar in hopes of getting as big a show as you can for it, even I notice those guys and they look pathetic indeed. If you tip like its no big deal, and only what they deserve, they will notice...

    Sorry to ask this, but are you misspelling chivalry on purpose?

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    i have to agree with Tini here... these girls shouldn't be ignoring the customers and chatting among themselves. it's been my experience that the dancers that ignore customers and fart around on their butts doing nothing are the same ones bitching that they aren't making any money. i agree that a customer shouldn't be pounced on for their wallet the minute they walk through the door, but in no way should they be ignored. it's part of the dancers' job to provide a friendly accomodating atmosphere for the customers as this is what induces customers to spend. if the dancers at the club you go to are ignoring a customer that's clean, dressed appropriately and not engaging in unseemly behavior, then if they lose that customer for themselves and/or the club, it's their own fault, and they deserve what they get, which in this case, is an empty pocket at least. no respectible customer should have to ask for service.

    it's common that dancers have "target" customers, which are generally those more in an age group that is likely to have higher discretionary income. it may be understandable that a dancer may pass over a young customer in favor of an older one for that reason. however, if a dancer is not already occupied with a customer, they certainly shouldn't ignore the ones that are less desirable in favor of sitting on their ass doing nothing. after all, despite solid reasons for targeting certain customers, nothing is foolproof... money doesn't care who owns it, so it may be that the statistically less favorable customer may very well spend as much or even more then the statistically favorable one. in any case, being with no customer is certain to make one no money... you may not win if you try, but you definitely won't win if you don't try.

    my advice to you would be to patronize another club where you would be treated better and where the service providers are more deserving of your money.

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    Alanna,
    I agree with what you have said. And I appreciate all the advice, I wanted to bring up the subject to make it aware to the people on this site that even us youngsters have money and we shouldn't be ignored because some don't. The other day I went to my favorite place and sat for 45min 10 feet away from the stage w/o being approached by anyone. Then, right before I was ready to leave, this young lady came over to me and sat on my lap and asked me how long I had been sitting there, so I told her my story and she had this horrified look on her face. She then dragged me to a corner and proceded to give me a dance. When it was over I thanked her and tried to give her money and she refused it. She said that she had done it because she felt bad that I had been ignored. so I thanked her and asked her for another dance, and it was one of the best I have ever had, so I gave her a c-note out of my pocket and told her it was for making my day. She then said that I had just made her day too.

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    Chivalry,

    I agree that the girls seem lazy at this club, and you sound like a dream customer!

    But, just to add my 2 cents: I approach guys that make eye contact with me. Were you sitting there staring off into space looking at the stage? If a customer is eying another dancer, I usually leave him alone and go to the one that is looking at me.

    Body language is a big one too. I always approach the guy who had the "easy access" lap. If you are sitting with your arms crossed, or hunched over with your elbows on your knees....it's not easy to sit on your lap without pushing you back in your seat....and I'm 6'4 in my heels....so I can scare a lot of guys away in that situation.

    Also, don't sit with your lap under the table. This usually happens when there is a group of guys and one is backed into a corner or a wall with his buddies around him. We literally can't sqeeze back there to get to him unless the other guys move out of the way.

    It sounds silly, but subtle things like this help me to read people.
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    Britney,

    I was by myself sitting next to a table, lap exposed. It's a problem that happens alot, but I learned how to get more attention, and you are right eye contact works.

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    Britney hit the nail on the head - accessibility is what it's all about. If you make eye contact and smile and you're easy to get to, I can't imagine what's keeping girls away - lazy! Do girls not know how to work or what?

    Anyway, I approach younger guys all the time now - they have disposable income and are less likely to stress about spending it and when they're solo or in a small group (2 or 3) they are generally really sweet and respectful.

    If it's busy, things that will get me over to a guy's table are if he's looking at me and smiling, if he tips me well on stage and asks me to come over when I'm done, if he waves, sends a waitress over - you know, the obvious stuff.

    Honestly, I can't believe any guy has a problem getting girls over at a club - it's our job to socialize! I will say that if there's more than one guy that's asked me to come over, I will go to the one that looks like the most fun *second* - I will want to spend more time with him and therefore take care of other "obligations" first.

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    wow I cant believe what I'm reading!!! I wanted to say I'm sorry U had a bad day that day when u went in the club and no one wouldn't approach u.
    It could be because some customers are "assholes" with rude attitudes and who dont spend no money on dancers execept for drinks. We 've had several customers who only would watch for free and not spend a dollar on dancers!!! They could have gone to bars if they want some beers and sports to watch on tv!!
    When I see customers sitting alone and no one wouldn't approach them I'd come along and check him out by chatting and makin' couple of jokes just to cheer him up a little then if I'm lucky I give him couple of dances.I also would ask him how long he have been here and there are times they've been there too long and gets bored. I also work in Houston and I've seen some dancers who sit their asses around and chat with each other when I try to entertian customers. It makes me mad cuz I can't handle the group of men alone so I had to drag some dancers with me to entertain them as well. Men are there to have fun and spend money that's the whole point right?
    I dont like to sit and chat so much around dancers. I ususally work alone and I do my best to entertain any customers that walks in. Some customers have told me that I'm now their favorite cuz some dancers dont entertain them better than I can do. And that's sad!
    Another reason could be maybe several dancers have approach a customer and asked for dances and when he says no they'll leave. They wont sit and talk to u a little bit before asking a dance.

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    I agree that a trip to a club can be frustrating when you're looking for a certain level of involvement and things don't go as you expected them to. And its not just the dancers, but the waitresses as well that can ignore you. I've been to clubs where I've had to wait 45 minutes just to order a drink and it seems to take another half hour for them to bring it to me!

    Some clubs have bad nights, bad staff, bad lighting, and call me crazy but even bad seats. Not neccesarily far away seats, but just ones that for some reason don't get as much traffic or eye contact.

    My advice if you want more involvement:

    Hit that club during the daytime or a weeknight when the action is a little slower. The "pond" of customers is smaller, so generally you're a "bigger fish".

    Sit at the stage or at least in the first row of tables. If you see a dancer you'd like a private dance from, tip her on stage.

    At some clubs, the dancers make rounds to all the table customers to collect tips and hustle dances. If you frequent one such club, THIS is the appropriate time to ask for a dance.

    I'm not sure about the law where you live, but in some locales you must ask her for the private dance because if the dancer offers it first, it is considered solicitation, and therefore illegal. That might be a source of your frustration. ???

    Sometimes how a girl reacts when I tip her on stage will determine whether I want the spend another $20 on her. If she thanks me, asks if I'm enjoying myself, or gives me a peck on the cheek, that's a plus and she'll probably be rewarded monetarily for her courtesy.

    If she seems drunk or disinterested, and just takes my money and leaves, that often kills it, and I'll go spend my money on someone who (or somewhere that) appriciates my business.

    A lot of guys complain about dancers who are "too businesslike" and hustle persistently. Granted, while I like to budget my money, it's refreshing to find a gal who keeps her eyes on the prize, regardless of whom gives the prize to her. When my business is appreciated, whether it be at Wal-Mart, my auto mechanic, or from a dancer, I'm more likely to return for more.

    Just my two cents and best of luck.
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