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    Okay ONE --I was not calling contact dancers whores but I am talking the actual prostitutes that came in off the street with their kind and started plying their trade within strip bar walls. This is first hand knowledge my dear I spoke with many of them in the last 7 years since lap dancing was allowed in the very beginning in Toronto Canada - so dont take offense where none was issued.
    Second-- I just told you where I stripped in Australia, and I worked with and spoke to MANY of the traveling dancers that came to our club and they told me of their clubs in Sidney and other cities. Right from the horses mouths.
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    Default Re: I used to feel that way too re: contact

    ladies, as a customer to strip clubs, i can honestly say that i prefer the touching clubs better. im sure you all heard the saying "why just look when you can touch". @ this certain club i go to in north jersey , the girls will crawl around the bar and as long as your tippin your touching. knowone gets out of line and its only good clean fun. i dont knock anyone who does not prefer touching but i guess its different everywhere you go

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    JC. We know that customer (by and large, not every single one) prefer contact. I mean, you can't possibly think you are giving us news here. But thanks, if you did.

    Leigh. I think offence was warranted. I dance in Toronto, Canada and I started just after lap dancing was banned. I'm sure you will understand if I privlege MY first hand knowledge over yours; I have one woman who admitted to turning tricks if the price was good enough. So unless women are remarkably forthcoming with you, I have difficulty believing that you have had so many conversations of this nature.

    But, thanks for your reply.
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    Leigh, I guess we're just gonna have to agree to disagree.

    Take it from this horse's mouth - a large portion (I won't say all, because I haven't visited them all) of the clubs in the ENTIRE continent are NOT prostitution clubs.

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    Very interesting post and I'm sorry I missed it earlier. Holly Day and I were discussing this yesterday morning. As an agent working in Ontario I have very much differing views than some of the other agents in the area.
    I remember the 70's and 80's in Ontario when the ladies put on a stage show (I'm only talking Ontario now because that is my point of reference) When lap dancing came into play the stage shows went downhill for the most part and ladies just seemed to get on stage, walk across afew times and get naked.
    I believe that ladies that put on a stage show and don't compromise their values may not make as much as those that are willing to do anything BUT still will make a great living and get the respect of the customers that they want respect from. These will become their regular clients and will in turn make the lady the amount of money they need to make. This of course is only my humble opinion........Jim

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    I thank god for so many different types of guys in the world!!!!!! And Jims opinion! A good stage show has a lot to be said for. Last night i did John Bon Jovi's song..."Lay your hands on me!" It was a slower version with guys touching my legs, calves, and thighs included. Sooo many guys wanted part of the show, i was amazed! Yes that is contact! (in it's own way) But i was doing a stage performance, that worked out very well. Guys don't have to touch boobs and pussy to actually join in the fun. Some yell hang your head over the stage (for ex.) i do and take money. I do what they ask, as long as i am comfortable. They ask, i do, they pay. I have to do what i can being only a stage show person.
    Now i am trying to get a shower show at one club going. Told them i would pay for the equipment, they pay for installation. Worth it for me in the long run. ANYTHING at all i can do to spruce shows up!
    Thats my game, hustling!! Pamela

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    I agree with what was said earlier by Tre', we cannot go back in time. Even the so called glitzy showclubs have up and down business as they depend on out of towners for their success. Everywhere i have been which is tourist or business traveler driven has erratic income.

    And how many air dance showclubs have dancers who "hook up " with customers for sex? And regulars or sugar daddies don't hang around long if they don't get sex.

    I just won't believe that the upscale air dance club customers don't want sex. They just go to clubs where most of the customers are at their level in life.

    I challenge any girl on this board who hasn't worked at all types of clubs to do so. If you have only worked in an air dance upscale club you need to experience clubs with a mixed clientele. And how many times do Scores, Pure Platinum, or Club Paradise customers try to slip you their room keys. Or tell you that they will buy you a drink but would rather spend money on you OUTSIDE the club.

    These upscale clubs are boring places. A party atmosphere with forced stage tipping, girls dancing to whatever they want, and, dance specials and contests going on is the only kind of change that will stick.

    Can you imagine life now with no internet access, no cellular phones, no pagers, microwaves, CD's, DVD's, and with a 486 computer?

    Those times were as recent as the late 80's.

    None of us are going to go back to those times. Do stores sell as many VCR's as they did 5 years ago? Once guys experience good, they will not go back to second best.

    Eliminate the full friction nude dances in Mons Venus in Tampa or the fun times in Houston, South Florida, or San Francisco, and ENFORCE the change.

    YOU WILL LOSE MOST OF THE CUSTOMERS!!!

    All we can do is as much as we are comfortable with NOW, as in the not too distant future, guys in the US WILL NOT PAY TO BE TEASED!! Work as much as possible now and invest your money so that when sex becomes par for the course in this business and you are not comfortable giving it, you can retire and live comfortably.

    Times change and what people are willing to pay for changes too. Guys used to blow company money in strip clubs. Now many companies do not allow employees to submit expense reports with strip club receipts attached. Our clubs have slowed down because the executives who were blowing the bosses money on dances and Champagne Rooms have vanished now that they have to foot the bill themselves.

    You will NEVER get other dancers to agree to follow an agreed upon cutback in services. As they say some girls do and some don't. And there are a lot in the middle.

    Contact is what 99% of the guys want. And if you stop giving it as oneof the APD posters said, he will probably stop going to clubs. And as Tre' said no contact guys are a dying breed.

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    And i would like to say, i have regulars who come and watch me dance, with no contact what so ever! They pay good after and during a show. I get off stage talk with them for some time, laugh, giggle, flirt, give my card, and out the door he goes...But before, i sometimes get a big thank you by some regulars for turning them on, so they now can go home and have sex with their partner and fantasize! That happens with men who want a fantasy girl in thier lives! ( i feel) I sometimes feel they don't want the contact for fear i MAY have an STD, they don't know. Alot of guys have morals. And just don't have a need to touch a dancer, she is fullfilling an other need. I was even told once i am better than Viagra! Now that was nice. On the downside, my clientel is mostly older. And i am always needing to replace the ones who move away, or can no longer come to the club for whatever reason. One guy called me one time and told me he was moving to a skilled nursing facility, because he fell. And can't watch me anymore. But he calls every now and again. That was a true customer. I try to touch them on a different level, and sometimes you just get lucky!!! Said he will be back after his hip replacement, and therapy!!!! Lol.
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    Pamela, i see what your clientele is like now. You're north of Orlando in an area where many retirement communities are.

    So you get a more than average amount of lonely men with no living spouse who just come in and hang out andwho have money at their disposal. Is that the case?

    When i hear the word regular I know they cannot be counted on to support a dancer 5 days a week and they tend to disappear once they see nothing is going to happen with a dancer.

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    Tina Florida is mainly a retirement state. I am on the east coast of Florida, pretty much straight across from Tampa. I do have alot of retired men here, they are great. Also.. Space center. Harris Corp. Northrup. Lockheed Martin, All engineers. Alot upper management, like Callguy, who i adore. ( he wrote a few times on the board.) But i still get my share of college students. A mix, i could say...easy.
    Correct, all the guys never show up in the same night. But i can count on a pretty steady income, based on the fact that i give a number, on my card. (Toll free.) I say by talking to them, alot have a spouse, but need extra umph! Married 20 yrs maybe. Or are single, lonely older men, yes. I don't dance 5 nights a week usually, so i can only calculate pay on a nightly basis. On a slow night i can make good money. (the figures may cause doubts with others.) Busy night, easy...great money. I say i like my customers. I keep it in the club, and really work the fantasy aspect with them. I tell them to go home think about me and make love!!! Call me, when you want a show, and chat. I don't know what else to say, we all have our own way of making it happen. And i REALLY love men!!! And dancing right now. Pamela This won't last forever so i am working it very hard now.

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    Thank you, Tina, for reiterating my point(s).

    An inarguable concept that few understand, though many should.

    A well thought-out post. As always.

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    The thing that's tough about contact/no contact discussions is when we try to pretend that the discussion is about sex/no sex in the dancing content. In fact, whether we customers or you dancers like to think about it, strip clubs are all about sexual stimulation - that's why the money gets spent. Now I admit that I often just enjoy the drinks, music, companionship, and hedonistic flavor of the place, but ultimately, I'm there because naked girls are attractive to me. Please understand, I'm not talking about "extras" or sexual stimulation in any direct "prostitutional" sense.

    I really don't like mindless grinding lap dances that are mechanical and boring - I'd rather have a good air dance from a good dancer. The thing is, many no contact dancers want to deny that the purpose of dancing is sexually stimulating the customer. Even old geezers who say they just like talking with you are ultimately there because you get the blood flowing in the right places. Otherwise they'd ONLY call you now and then on the phone instead of showing up where you're gonna be mostly naked.

    Now, I'm a good nice customer. I keep my hands to myself. I tip well. I buy drinks for any and all. But even the nice guys are there because you make the blood flow the right way. In a no contact club, I try to pretend that's not the case and I'm always the perfect non-offending gentleman just trying to help you make your car payment this month. In a contact club, I don't have to pretend that the dance is anything but exciting because I've got a girl's knee in my crotch and she can tell what the truth is. That's kind of liberating in a way. I'm not talking about that whole "grinding, groping, sucking, inserting" kinds of crap. I'm talking about a good old "oh my, is that a gun in your pocket or are you just glad to see me" kind of honesty about the whole event.

    Short story - one of my dancer friends has a thing about nipples. She likes to rub them. It's one of her turn-ons. Sometimes when she is dancing (at my regular no/low-contact club) she will rub customers' nipples while doing a table dance. One night a customer said "Oh, that feels good." and my friend told me that she thought "Ugh, why'd he have to tell me that?" and she stopped rubbing his nipples. She'd been doing it (kind of mindlessly) because she liked it, but she didn't like the idea at all of learning that HE liked what she was doing. I love this girl as a good friend, but it made me feel a little bad as a customer. What's wrong with making people feel good?

    The thing I like about contact clubs is that neither the dancer nor the customer is pretending that the dance is not intended to be a sexually charged experience.

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    uh yah they WERE extremely forthcoming in their conversations to me - absolutely. I have been dancing since 1990 and watched much go down in this industry ...

    YOUR QUOTE:Leigh. I think offence was warranted. I dance in Toronto, Canada and I started just after lap dancing was banned. I'm sure you will understand if I privlege MY first hand knowledge over yours; I have one woman who admitted to turning tricks if the price was good enough. So unless women are remarkably forthcoming with you, I have difficulty believing that you have had so many conversations of this nature. ENDQUOTE

    what makes you think you experience holds high over mine? How would you KNOW what conversations I have had all Over the entire province of Ontario for that matter? I dont know what your point is anyway - are you supporting the onset of the degradation of performance/entertainment value over prostitution? I am against it with all I've got - so what was your point?

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    My point, Leigh, was simply that based on my experience women are not very forthcoming about turning tricks. I therefore find it hard to believe that so many women are so open with you about this information. I do not support the "degradation of of performance/entertainment value over prostitution" (?); I support the women in this industry and I dislike hearing them degraded is all. If you are so attached to this form of language that you need to defend it so vociferously, we will simply have to agree to disagree.

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    Pamela, I read on another thread that you do allow customers to rub your thighs, etc while you're dancing on stage. That is definitely NOT no-contact; it is just contact in the form that you're comfortable with. Your customers may not get to have you grinding their crotch or rubbing your boobs in their faces, but they touch you, and that's contact. I do respect you for your choice to only do wild stage performances and only customers to touch you a little on stage, so please don't take this the wrong way. I'm just pointing out that contact is contact, no matter how it's done, and we all have our limits and comfort zones. I admire a woman who can make all her money on stage and not do laps - more power to ya! Your choice works for you - you do exactly what you want and leave the rest for everyone else. Precisely the way it should work.

    And to Dan - I agree with your point about this being a sexually related business. I can't image why anyone would think otherwise, and if your friend doesn't like admitting it, I say she has more than just issues with pleasing someone - like issues with what her job is. I have always said that if anyone doesn't like the sexual (not sex) aspects of the business, and the fact that what we are doing is some form of sexual stimulation, they should NOT be in the business at all. Maybe your friend should be working the men's cologne counter at Macy's or something....

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