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    great day to everyone on this board.
    i only have one gripe if i may.
    Melonie who is on the board is very negative
    i love reading the board and learn from all the people
    who are helpful. but do you ever get tired of reading about taxes over and over again?

    Clubs are going to get busted sooner or later.
    taxes are going way up. cost of living sucks.
    i for one would like to read a medssage that is going to encourage me.
    not discourage me.

    Every other message written by Melonie is such a
    heroin ride. Downer.

    I don't want to sound mean here. i read this board every
    place i travel. Taxes and busts, ther must be a message board for that.

    This board is for dancers wanting to get involved deeper
    or start. I feel discouraged by her postings thats all i want to share with you people.

    i know about freedom of speach. a woman who was busted for prostitution talking law and taxes. sorry about the rant. maybe this will help others to not be discouraged
    about negatibve posts repeating themselves.

    not a personal attack. only wanted to address the source of negativity on this board
    cant we all just make this a nice place.

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    I want to comment and I am but I dont think in a situation like this it's my place. ???

    But I understand how you feel. It seems like your sensitive to some of the comment, and I dont blame you cause I get upset at some comments that I see on the board too(not Melonie's). I think Melonie was trying to make matters seem like dancing is not all fun and games. It can be hard and dangerous. This is reality. There's good and bad in everything.

    Hope it help a little bit.

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    One very important RULE to remember Guestwho_reads,
    You will get both positive and 'negative' (as you call it) on this board. This board is open for discussion! Dancing is a very hard business to break into if you want to try. Or you may dance already. then you should know the hardships.
    WE all have to pay our taxes or we go to jail, as an IC. Some newbies may not know that. And as for the laws of the land, well now, that depends where you live. She gives her advice. I can give a tip: Don't read her postings....it's just that easy. She means well.
    Pamela PS and please don't go and read Melonies messages and mine, and quote me. We had different view points. That was all. We spoke our minds, and learned how each lived our lives more or less!

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    I deliberately try NOT to be any more negative than necessary on this board to get realistic points across. Yes we all would prefer to hear good news. Unfortunately, just as the vast majority of Wall Street investors discovered over the past couple of years, when legal and economic conditions change, no amount of hope, optimism, or disregard of certain news items which don't paint a rosy picture will actually prevent reality from hitting home.

    As you say, many of the visitors to this board are girls considering whether to start dancing or whether to become more deeply involved in the adult entertainment industry than they already are. I take the position that these girls are entitled to learn ALL of the facts which may affect their situation, weigh the pros and cons, and decide for themselves. If nobody else has posted the "down" side of a situation, and I know that one exists, I feel I need to share that fact out of fairness. Also, as I have had the opportunity to travel from coast to coast in this business, I have often been exposed to the local conditions surrounding a girl's question, local conditions which may bear very little similarity to those which affect other girls posting responses.

    Hey, if you really don't want to hear anything negative, don't read my posts - don't read the newspaper - don't watch the TV news ... I also wish that 1999 never ended! Yes we all have had to deal with laws and taxes for years. But what's different NOW is that there is a large change underway in regard to new laws applying to dance clubs, new enforcement efforts involving both new laws and previously existing laws, and new changes in tax classifications and tax reporting which will eventually affect the entire exotic dancing industry. At the moment, though, the changes have not actually affected all areas and certainly have not affected areas equally. Girls working or thinking about working in areas that have already been affected, or are in the process of being affected, deserve to be 'warned" of the effects of these changes.

    This should really be the responsibility of local clubowners, but we all know that most clubowners will tell dancers anything in order to convince them to earn more money, so that the club can collect a larger profit as a result of the dancers efforts. My bogus bust which you referred to would have never happened if the clubowner in question had been honest in his answers to my direct questions about what was legal and what was not in his area. I was told that the heavy contact level being done by other dancers in his club was perfectly legal, which would have been true in some locations but not in fact in the location of this club. Therefore, based on the clubowner's innacurate information, I unknowingly put myself in a position of risk in regard to a club bust (even though my own contact levels did not violate any local laws). My attempts to fill in the "information gaps" regarding questions asked by girls on this board are motivated by my desire to help other dancers avoid encountering similar situations.

    In the 90's exotic dancing was a glamourous, profitable, and (to be frank) EASY business for a beautiful girl to get into. It's not my fault that, in most areas of the country, that statement is no longer true. Please don't shoot the messenger!

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    I've been reading Melonie's messages since I started looking at dancer boards, almost two years ago. I always enjoy her. I don't always agree with her. I sometimes think she sees the world a little too darkly and applies local bad experiences globally. I'm sure she would say that she just looks at the world realistically. Perhaps she's more right than I.

    But she also has a wealth of experience to back up her views. She looks at things in a businesslike manner, and after all, since most dancers are independent contractors, they're generally running a business. People in business need to know all the pros and cons.

    If I were starting a business and needed a partner, I'd take on Melonie in a heartbeat. Whether or not you appreciate certain negative aspects of what she says, you have to respect her experience and analysis. You can disregard or disbelieve certain viewpoints of hers, but you'd do well to consider them anyway.

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    I know that Melonie's posts might be a little more sobering than what some here might like to hear, but the girls who get into this industry only looking at how much money they can make are going to find out the truth the hard way.

    Having someone who's very experienced in dancing forwarn you of the pitfalls ahead of time can be helpful. Those who don't consider the potential downside to being a dancer are usually the ones who end up getting swallowed, sometimes with tragic results.

    While an increased number of local ordinances aren't helping (many are still pending in lawsuits), I think that it's the sluggish economy that is doing most of the damage right now. Not enough discretionary income to go around, military personnel are overseas preparing for war, layoffs (and threats of layoffs), and people generally just aren't in too good a mood right now. I had a splurge when I went on vacation back in September, but aside from that I'm certainly not going to the local clubs as much as I used to. My retirement plan, like many, has taken quite a hit over the past couple years.

    I wish that there could be a "legitimized" industry where local officials, club owners, and dancers could hammer out an agreement that would be beneficial to everyone. That won't solve the problem with the economy, but it might help out stop some of the election year posturing and shady business practices by club owners.
    Former SCJ now in rehab.

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    I happy I agree with everyone's post.

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    i love melonie's posts because i learn from them. she's real.

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    Yes, while sometime I feel she can be gloomy (because I would LOVE if the world were rosy all the time ), she *is* real. If her statement doesn't directly apply to my situation, it at least gives me a heads up as to where the winds are blowing. This is a business and a business person is always best to be as edified as possible. Thank you to her and everyone else that puts a realistic spin on this industry.
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    Just have to agree with Melonie, I too wish that 1999 never ended. Not only because of changes in the laws that effect dancers or the new ones drafted by the Government to better aide them in their attempt to regulate this industry (and use us as a scapegoat when it is in there self interest). We all, I am fairly, sure had a much brighter perspective back then and are coming to grips with this new reality. It forces us who want to survive to reevaluate our goals and seek out where we fit in and still thrive. We are in a recession, the first thing to go when money gets tight is luxury items (we, dancers fall in to this category), it's pure economics. The world is depressed and very insecure, people are not in the happy go lucky mood anymore. This board is where, we who want to survive, can share our experiences and knowledge and empower ourselves from what we are able to take away.

    I will admit I have not always agreed with Melonie either, but we need diversity in order to really share ourselves and learn form each other. Differences of opinions and the strength of character to not be afraid speak our minds is admirable quality in any person, no matter how much I may disagree with them. It forces me to reaffirm my own opinions and positions on issues by becoming so infuriated (at times) and thus defending them! This confirmation is invaluable! Not to mention the lessons we can learn from others (on this board or elsewhere) and their experiences, if we so choose to partake of this vast resource of dancer information.

    Ignorance is dangerous, especially in this industry. We all share pretty much the same basic goals in life, how we achieve them is what makes us all so unique.

    Anyways, I enjoy anyone with character, especially unique characters! We need our cynics along with our optimists, otherwise how would we ever know the difference? By the way, "Guest_who reads, if this is your first posting, you are guilty of the same act you are criticizing. Except far worse, for you have not only posted something negative, using horrible grammar and sentence mechanics, I may add, but are a hypocrite too! What are you adding to this board? Any experiences or advice that any of us are interested in? No, you don't even attempt to articulate a valid subject or debate. Worst of all singling out and criticizing a house member who has a hell of a lot more interesting things to add to this board than you do.

    PS If you want to read something encouraging, maybe you should TRY to be encouraging


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    It was due to primarily MELANIE'S POSTS that got me onto this site, and reading thru and then deciding to join. I like what she has to say I am interested and appreciative. I can only take so much fluff on any stripper site....this site is like no other because of folks like Melanie and their intelligence and viewpoints. I for one would like to thank her and encourage her to continue.
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