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    hello everyone my name is mandy im 17 years old and plan on dancing while going to college.....i live in san diego, CA and i will take all the advice again.....i know for sure i'd like to dance, but im not sure what some good san diego clubs are and how much does a nude dancer average per night...? say im working 8p.m.-2 i have so much questions! any replies would be greatly appreciated....tools of the trade, money, tips, info, anything...thanx everyone!

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    Look up this web site.

    http://www.stripper-faq.org/

    I read it all the time to brush up on a few things. It'll be very helpful. Good luck.

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    Candice no.

    Mandy this board is for 18 and over. Pryce could get in trouble for that. Adults only. When you turn 18 your welcome but for now BYE


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    Yes Tini,

    One year makes a huge difference. Please!!

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    Yes it makes a big difference since Pryce is doing a good job and I dont want no one mess it up for him or anyone else that enjoys this board. There is a warning before you enter this site.

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    Being a California dancer, and having a year to go before you can actively start dancing, you're in a good position to see what the true effect of the recently passed state dance club law and the very recent strikes and lawsuits will be. An issue that you may wind up having to deal with is that the new state law, if 100% enforced, may wind up reporting enough dancing income in your real name that you'll become ineligible for TAP and Pell Grants and other income based student aid !!! I definitely wouldn't rush into anything until you calculate ALL of the financial consequences.

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    At 17 Mandy you could not get into stripping, 18. Some places here in Florida 21 years of age. I don't know why you would be on this board being only 17. You are still a minor. There is alot of adult content here. Wait until you turn 18 hun, then think about it, and come back. By then you may very well want to something else anyway. (hooters to start.) I just think 17 is a bit young to want to make a decision about dancing, when it can be a cruel and very tough job. Pamela.
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    Thanx Pamela I agree with you.

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    If I am correct, she did say herself that she was planning to dance while going to college, which means she most likely will be 18 by then to begin with. I agree that this is a site for adults and, consequently, is not accessible to her. That is the law (which does not mean I necessarily agree with it, considering as to how it is legal at a younger age to actually have sex even, but I digress).

    I do not, however, believe that she is wrong for wanting to prepare herself in advance, as there are many things to consider in an undertaking of this sort. Better for her to have a prior understanding of what she is getting into rather than to jump right in as soon as she turns 18. However, as I don't want Pryce getting into any trouble, I will not respond by posting any advice actually on the forum.
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    Thank you for applying some logic within this discussion, Amber.

    Yes, there is a disclaimer.

    It is called PREPARATION, people.

    Not to jump upon anyone here (*ahem*), but there is this reoccurring concept within life that involves decisions being made through research.

    I bet it occurred to very few that this research may lead to her NOT becoming a dancer.
    I assume by chasing her away, there is something inherently evil within the goings-on here?
    That (we) should not warp a young adult's mind by revealing the seedy underbelly of the adult entertainment world?

    Think about it. She does have other options. Why do you choose here?

    (I apologize, my soap box was gathering dust.)

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    My, my, my... what a way to start the day with a loaded topic...

    To start with, until a few years ago, there WERE some localities where you could strip under the age of 18. There were places where you could legally star in a porn film at 16. So don't automatically assume that it is illegal for her to even consider such a job.

    Secondly, it is better for her to come to a place such as this for straight advice and research preparation, than for her to go someplace like those OTHER boards that are so ridden with trolls. Let's see... which is better when deciding on ANY career: No advance knowledge, completely biased and misinformed knowledge, or reasonable and relatively true knowledge? High schools and colleges attempt to provide these things to us for every other career under the sun. They refuse to do so for such things as stripping, because it is not a profession that is considered socially acceptable to conservative mainstream middle-class America - in other words, the people whose tax dollars pay for public education.

    Thirdly, yes, Pryce does have a disclaimer in place. Disclaimers are put in to place to help cover another person's rear end legally. What this means is that IF it is illegal in her locality for her to access this site, then she has been made aware of that possibility, and accessing it anyways is an illegal action on HER part (not Pryce's). It would be considered the internet equivalent of trying to buy a porn magazine from the corner store with a fake ID, or even no ID. If it is not illegal for her to access the material on this site in her locality, then it is all a moot point.

    Let's also discuss the fact that what everyone seems to be attempting to prevent is the possibility of Pryce having trouble with the obscenity laws in any given locality. Well, let me explain something: obscenity laws differ from area to area because not everyone worldwide thinks the same way. This is the same reason why there are not identical laws for strippers across the US. Obscenity laws are usually very very subjective, and loosely worded. Now, let's all exercise our capacities for critical thinking here, and analyze the general content of SW. There is no more profanity than in your usual "R" rated movie, so I don't think that precludes a nearly 18 year old woman from reading. The written sexual content is absolutely no worse than what could be found on Scarleteen.com (a teen website regarding sexuality), in Cosmopolitan magazine (available at the checkout stand in grocery stores nationwide), in a Stephen King or Jackie Collins (which can be bought at any age at almost any given bookstore). So should I assume that nobody here read Cosmo, or a novel with somewhat explicit sexual writings, or a sex-ed manual before they reached 18 years of age? If I here a majority say that's true, then I'll be forced to cry bullshit. If you want to discuss the pics that have been posted, I would like to have it noted now that I personally have not seen any pics posted that are more explicit than what I could see in the movies Single White Female, Revenge Of The Nerds, or a thousand other "R" rated American movies,or even on HBO after 10 PM. Guess what? A 17-year-old can legally view these things....

    Let's next move on to the fact that this is PRYCE'S website, and it is PRYCE'S place to set the gold standard on situations such as this. Just as it was Tre's when his forum was faced with a similar situation about 6 or so months ago. If you wish to argue that nobody under 18 is permitted in, then let's argue how to keep them out. Because that's the only answer to such a thing. Well, the most prevalent and effective way of doing so would be for Pryce to require EVERY Member of this board, including everyone in this thread, to send a copy of their state-issued ID, or to subscribe via the use of a CREDIT CARD.... Now, since most people on here are rather secretive of their identities - nature of the beast with dancers and their customers - I would love to see exactly how many of you would be willing to do so, without complaints... Come on people - how many of you want to volunteer to send your credit card number and all your personal identification information to a person whom you have never met in person, may never meet in person, and whose security standards are such that you cannot be certain what they are? All to keep out one, or two, or a dozen girls who just want to make an informed decision?

    Quit being dramatic and alarmist. Allow Pryce or his moderator to decide on the most prudent course of action. If you question your own involvement in the whole issue, then choose not to respond to her request until you feel you no longer need be concerned. VERY very simple... And I say this both from the perspectives of a stripper, a daughter, and a parent.

    McCain

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    I fully agree with both Tre and McCain.

    Also, for those so concerned with the fact that she should turn 18 and "be an adult" before reading such material as is contained in this site, let's not forget the fact that in certain states one must actually be *21* in order to legally access "adult material" (Washington, Virginia, Maine, to name just a few). It is impossible for Pryce to thoroughly ensure that everyone accessing this site is of such an age, which is why a disclaimer is necessary in order to protect himself. It is not Pryce's responsibility to research the laws and ages of everyone accessing the board.

    I am 20, myself, and live in MA where the legal age to access such material is 18. However, if I were to take an hour and a half drive to visit my uncle at his cottage in Maine for the weekend, it would then become illegal for me to access the site. Is it Pryce's responsibility to keep track of each person? No, it is not. If Pryce so chooses to remove this person, it is his *choice* - not his responsibility - to do so.

    **In addition - yes, Tini, she could be even younger and just be pretending to be 17. However, one could make the same claim about you or myself or anyone else on this board for that matter. Also, if she would lie to make herself older, common sense tells us that she would have pretended to be at least 18, so that no one would have felt age to be an issue in the first place.
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    I left Pyrce a message. End of story

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    Hi Mandy,

    The stripper-faq site is a good one, as well as the articles section here. You can get an idea of wardrobe costs from www.trashy.com. Dress standards vary from club to club. For example I'm working at a club now where the dress code is long gowns during the week, short dresses on Saturdays, and lingerie on Tuesdays. But I've worked at clubs where everyone just wore bikini's with wraps.

    I have no idea what clubs are good in your area. When choosing a club for the first time, it's important to define your own personal comfort level *before* you go in the club. There will always be someplace you can make money without feeling bad about yourself.

    Good luck!

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    In Indiana, where I grew up and went to college, you could work in a bar at the age of 16! You just couldn't work where the sale of alcohol was taking place, or handle any alcohol. I got my first job at a VFW hall when I was 16. Had to get the permission of my High School Principal to get a work permit from the Department of Labor. Now that's a hoot, asking your HS Principal to give you permission to wash dishes in a bar. He not only approved but said it was a good thing as I'd learn a lot. He was right. I think there is a reason why he's a HS Principal. In Indiana you can strip in a bar at 18, or wait tables for that matter. You still can't sell alcohol or handle it.

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    Agree! I don't think any radical steps have to be made. Just one very simple step that is up to Pryce. That step would be just to put up a legal disclaimer on the front page of the message board upon entering. Simply stating there is adult content here, and upon entering "i agree" i am of legal age." That protects websites from mommy and daddy when they catch their young child reading about our "dirty dancing." and looking at nude pictures. Thats all it takes. It certainly could not hurt. I believe it will help. Pamela

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    Tre and all of you make sense. But minors should not be looking at nude pictures, and reading adult language. 17 is still considered a teenage youngster, monor. 18 is a young adult. Magazines and Tv ect, we have no control over what they do of course. But on this board we do. No one told her the industry was bad, she is still 17.. i don't think we chased her away. The point may have been missed here, we have adult content on this site, and she is a minor. I don't think we as adults should be giving any advice to one who says she is only 17. Then along comes a 15 yr old arguing the fact that we gave advice to a minor before. And willingly knowing how old that person was. Thats what can be tough. I just think for site protection a legal disclaimer should be put on the opening page. Pamela

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    Pamela thank you once again I agree.

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    I agree with certain points of what you are saying. However, there already is a legal disclaimer on the opening page of the site, which is what we were saying regarding the fact that Pryce has already done what is necessary by law. Also, all that has been posted here (were it contained in a movie or such) would be considered "R" rated material, which is accessible by 17 year olds, not "X" rated material. That's just my opinion. There seem to be a lot of strong feelings on both sides of this, so for now, I agree that we should probably just drop it until Pryce makes his decision on a course of action.
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    SHIT. Amber and all i never saw that page. Whe i go to stripper web, the address i was given does not take me there!!!! I see it! Thanks alot. Some said there is one there )like you) and i kept looking saying, "no theres not!"
    I DO SEE IT....perfect. I NEVER KNEW THAT PAGE WAS THERE. I open right up to the toics page...Pamela ???
    PS sorry could not spell this morning either.

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    I did not know sites had R ratings. Amber I agree with with you totally but the site do included nudity and the is no such thing as R rating for website. About content is 18 and over. Read it up please before you speak.

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    Tini, I did not say there was such a thing as an "R" rating for a website. I said that if such material as is posted here was in a movie or such, it would be considered "R" rated. I only posted that as my thoughts in response to what Pamela had said regarding the fact that minors should not read adult language or see the pictures posted on here. So instead of telling me to read up before I speak, I suggest that you read what I actually wrote before attacking it. That is all. Again, those are just my feelings.

    **Also, Pamela - I thought you might go straight to the forum's address because that's what I will usually do, as well. When I realized that you weren't aware of the disclaimer, I figured it was just because you didn't normally go to the home page. No big deal.
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    Ok I am sorry but I understand what you said before.
    Also I think some people on this thought about stripping before we were 18. That's natural. I have had sex before I was 18(was I suppose to say that...lol). I just dont want to risk this sight getting closed down from some person that hates strippers/exotic dancers. You know.

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    wow what GREAT RESPONSES from all ends of the spectrum
    i agree w/ tre and mcaain
    what better place to pick up what she needs in a safe environment..monitored...i think if she reads a few postings she might see its not so "'glamourous" i.e ingrown hairs, bruising, water on the knee, bad relationships....etc etc...give her a taste of what it's reallly like;...it just might send her running to beauty school...lets all admit ladies...this job is not for the faint of heart..not every girl is cut out for this industry...myself included...there's days even i wonder 'what the fuck am i doing this for"
    blessed be

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    (Not to bring this back on top again, but):

    >"There's days even I wonder "what the fu*k am I doing this for?"<

    There's your new topic header.

    To be completely honest, I believe the content of such a thread would be the most beneficial to said "minor".

    Kudos, Holly.
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