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    My 2 cents: Mitchell Bros girls are working in a place where they can provide their type of services in a safe environment, and where it's allowed. I am sure most of them would have no problem adhering to the rules of whatever club they were in, provided they wanted to work in another club. Diana isn't providing sex acts in a non-sex-act club. No need to jump on her. I personally like reading what she has to say because she brings info that previously we've mostly just been able to speculate about.

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    Good point Bridgette. Thanks Velvet.

    I just find it interesting that every level of the sex trade has to find someone else to call a "whore". Likewise, the person called the "whore" denies that they are a prostitute.

    In my own experience I've found that topless non-contact dancers like myself frown on nude contact dancers ("oh well I make that much $$ without showing my pussy") The majority of this board was critical of Diana when she said she provided dildo service for $250. I wonder if the porn stars are laughing at us all the way to the bank when they make 10G for one 5 minute sex scene.

    But yet, in each of these three situations, the person in question would probably deny that they are a prostitute. The dancer would say, "oh no I'm not a prostitute, no one touches me" Diana said "oh no I'm not a prostitute, I only do dildo shows" The porn star might say "oh no I'm not a prostitute, the film company paid me, not the guy"

    I guess everyone has their definition of what "sex" for "money" is. But isn't it funny that you always try to make light of what YOU do for money by criticizing what OTHERS do.

    Dazed, if you are headed to the Bay Area good luck. I disagree that MBOT is difficult to get hired at. If you are pretty and willing to perform the services, I don't think they'll turn you down. I saw some girls in the 4-5 range. True there were some 7s, 8s, and 9s, but definately no one on a true SCORES 10 scale. Every other club in town is owned by DeJaVu, which also allows extras but in a lesser scale than MBOT.
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    IMHO this is ultimately the direction in which US clubs are headed - perhaps 10% of clubs will remain no or light contact, and in turn will attract dancers who are 9's and 10's and cater to the upscale business & tourist market. On the other hand 90% of clubs will migrate to heavy contact & extras, as this will be the only way that these clubs will attract enough customers to remain in the black and also the only way that girls who are 8's and below will continue to earn enough money to make dancing worthwhile (assuming the no contact upscale show clubs have all the 9's and 10's they need).

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    Do you really think thats going to happen mellonie?These clubs that turned in to,well brothels would be shut down in any city I have ever worked in,local politicians may allow that to go on in california,but they arent going to allow it anywere else,I mean most places its illegal to do lap dances know,what more than likely will happen is,there wont be any clubs left,well 10% because the others wil loose their liqour liseces and be shut down.

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    I don't think that the majority of clubs are going to turn into sex theatres like MBOT. Although I have seen a gradually loosening of the rules in clubs that were strictly non-contact a few years ago, MBOT is an extreme example of what can happen in a left-wing city.

    I can't imagine a public club like MBOT EVER get away with selling consensual sexual acts in more conservative cities like Salt Lake, Phoenix, LA, or anywhere in the Bible Belt. Even in "Sin City" the PD is constantly raiding clubs and imposing ridiculous fines for minor offenses. Although these types of places will always be around, they are not as publically open about what goes on inside as MBOT.
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    Well, I'm absolutely in agreement with Britney that there will be extremely few US cities which will allow any club/theatre/studio to openly promote the "sex for rent" business model the way that San Francisco and certain parts of Nevada do. Unlike Europe, the US public has too many bible thumpers and "fine upstanding citizens" to ever allow this. However, this doesn't mean that "sex for rent" won't still be available, albeit illegally, and whether the 'sex for rent' is vigorously prosecuted or not, in low profile locations in virtually every city.

    I agree with Michelle that many many clubs located in cities which have passed or are trying to pass anti-dance club ordinance with distance rules, lap dance bans etc. are very likely going to go "under". There's simply no way that a club can make money abiding by these rules unless the dancers that the club hires are absolutely top shelf to appeal to the 3 piece suit business and tourist crowd. Cities of certain sizes can only support so many top shelf clubs based on their level of business and tourism - Manhattan might be able to support 6 clubs like this, while Chicago might be able to support 3 and Boston might be able to support 1. This is great for the perhaps 10% of dancers in that city which can get hired in these upscale clubs, but doesn't help 90% of the dancers in these cities who cannot.

    Smaller cities can't support this sort of club at all, because there is simply not enough business and tourist customer base in that city to provide earnings levels that will attract and retain dancers who are 9's and 10's. Smaller cities are also usually more likely to try and enact restrictive anti-dance club ordinances because their voter base is usually more conservative. This guarantees that any clubs that try to follow the upscale model in a smaller city is likely to fail due to lack of sufficient upscale customers. Clubs that don't follow the upscale model may also fail due to heavy heavy pressure from local politicians and police.

    In the case of the 'less than top shelf clubs' in both large cities and in smaller cities, it then boils down to an equation of how many customers can the club draw in with 'less than top shelf dancers' versus how much club profit does it take to cover expenses and make a profit. Large legal bills come into the picture as these clubs try to appeal new ordinances, pay bail and fines etc. Customers stay away in droves as club bust headlines hit the local newspaper. Unless something happens which provides a major reason for customers to come into the club and spend major money, potentially risking a bust as well, this is a formula for bankruptcy.

    Under these circumstances, the only serious way for these 'less than top shelf' clubs to attract customers to the clubs and persuade them to spend major money, and for dancers who are less than '9's and '10's to earn enough money to justify still dancing versus working for WalMart, is to increase the level of contact and extras available to the customers. Sure this will result in club busts, but if the club and dancers are earning enough from the contact and extras, paying lawyers fees, bail and fines simply becomes another business expense. Sure the nature of customers in these clubs will change, as 'upscale' guys will probably shy away due to a bust risk. This leaves a customer base who doesn't have to worry about their possibly being busted hurting their business or reputation, but who have money to spend IF they can find the contact and extras they're willing to spend their money on.

    Club busts at high contact and extras clubs also creates adverse publicity and increased police attention for ALL clubs in town. This means that after one or two clubs start offering high contact and extras, remaining clubs who do not will be under even more financial pressure due to fewer customers with an even higher risk of bankruptcy.

    In the end, with the bankrupt clubs gone forever, only the 'top shelf' big city showclubs with dancers who are '9's and '10's, and the 'less than top shelf' clubs with dancers who are '8's or below offering very high contact and extras, will remain profitable.

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    My 2 cents: Mitchell Bros girls are working in a place where they can provide their type of services in a safe environment, and where it's allowed. I am sure most of them would have no problem adhering to the rules of whatever club they were in, provided they wanted to work in another club. Diana isn't providing sex acts in a non-sex-act club. No need to jump on her. I personally like reading what she has to say because she brings info that previously we've mostly just been able to speculate about.
    I agree Bridgette. Just because Diana and other MB girls work in a club that is different than what we're used to and might not be what we would want to do, doesn't mean we should try to run her off or think less of her. I also like reading what she has to say and learning from it. Diana, I hope you stay with Stripperweb.

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    Not to defend myself, or anything, but i DO think every woman has their own level of comfort. What i'd do, wouldn't necesarily be porn, but whatever i'm comfortable with, depending on the situation/place too. I thought Diana had interesting points to make, and it was kinda fun to read bout someone else's idea of "comfortable". Makes you wonder/learn bout yourself alil too, cuz IF things do head that way, with most clubs, would you still be doing what you are? *shrug*

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    Thanks to everyone who posted a positive response to my posts. I don't put anyone in the industry down. I just moved back to philly and i will be returning to the world of not being touched grinding lap dances. I will never undercut any girls i work with by providing anything that was offered in my previous club. I also will be flying back to san francisco every couple of months for extra income and because I love that club and the girls i worked with.

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    I've got to agree with you TOTALLY on that one!!!!! WTF is the dancing /club scenes coming to?? The LA clubs are basically ghost towns, including Fri and Sat nights. These men don't want to risk getting raided for lap dances. Looks like we all follow the MBrothers leads or get out of the dance business... It seems to be all about extras.

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    I can't get to the site any ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Damia View Post
    I can't get to the site any ideas?
    The ASS-C website has been up and down over the last couple of years. I could only get their glossary page to come up which has another link to the list page, but alas it doesn't work either.

    http://ass-c.org/glossary.htm

    I also point out that this thread is three years old. But for those who are curious, I was able to find a copy of the MBOT list through Google groups, but its from way back in 2001.

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    I'm sorry for reviving old threads but i didn't want to make a new thread if the info was out there
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    actually, your resurrection of this thread is somewhat timely ... as the city of Memphis has now begun a 'crusade' to try and bust / close down strip clubs which have been offering blatant 'sex for rent' for years. We now have yet another real world example whether or not the intent is to actually 'clean up' Memphis clubs, or whether this is just one more case of a 'revolving door' i.e. busts, bail, plea bargains, publicity, fines paid to the city court, then right back to work offering more 'sex for rent' and saving up legal fees towards the next bust.

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    I've heard from a couple of girls that worked there the current stage fee is currently at $450 for ngt shift and $350 for day. They have to hand that amount over to the club before they can claim any money for themselves. Some there don't mind because they bank. Others like my friend feel that this kind of "stage fee" forces them into prostitution. (needless to say she is on Broadway now thank goodness. not that I have anything against MBOT... it just wasn't the place for her) I wonder if what most of those girls are making nowadays is worth it? The top girls at Centerfolds make the same if not more just doing lapdances (med-high contact though). Ever since Centerfolds accepted credit cards businessmen have been charging to their account like crazy, girls have been leaving with amount up to $3000 not including what they've made cash. I know many of you are like, I don't believe that, they must be doing extras. I can assure you they are not as my honey is the one who pays them out and keeps an eye on their dances from the camera room.
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    There are plenty of dancers here who state openly that they provide sex shows (with toys). They don't get jumped on. Perhaps people could extend Diana the same courtesy, hmm?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miss Jessica View Post
    I've heard from a couple of girls that worked there the current stage fee is currently at $450 for ngt shift and $350 for day. They have to hand that amount over to the club before they can claim any money for themselves. Some there don't mind because they bank. Others like my friend feel that this kind of "stage fee" forces them into prostitution. (needless to say she is on Broadway now thank goodness. not that I have anything against MBOT... it just wasn't the place for her) I wonder if what most of those girls are making nowadays is worth it? The top girls at Centerfolds make the same if not more just doing lapdances (med-high contact though). Ever since Centerfolds accepted credit cards businessmen have been charging to their account like crazy, girls have been leaving with amount up to $3000 not including what they've made cash. I know many of you are like, I don't believe that, they must be doing extras. I can assure you they are not as my honey is the one who pays them out and keeps an eye on their dances from the camera room.
    So centerfolds is in SF? What do you mean exactly by med/high contact? (You can PM me.) Is it hard to get hired there? Thanks.

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    Just on MBOT { which I visited once as a customer in the 80s and really liked incidentally} they have been raided and taken to court hundreds of times since they opened in the 1970s. They are unusual in contesting all of the charges in court and because of this, the fact that it's such a famous place and it's been open for 30 odd years, recent Mayor's of SF have been more liberal, and SF is a very liberal place anyway, it's now got far more latitude than most US clubs. When you have got clubs in Alabama forcing girls to wear latex bikinis to stay open I think it's unlikely that something like MBOT will be opening soon in most states.

    When I visited there were no private booths or sex shows on stage but the girls were great and the strip shows in the New York bit were as good as I have seen anywhere. It was the first place I ever had a lap dance in and much better than any of the various dumps I went into in New York or LA.

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    So centerfolds is in SF? What do you mean exactly by med/high contact? (You can PM me.) Is it hard to get hired there? Thanks.
    Most girls are heavy grinders, and let guys touch/grope their boobs. HOWEVER you make the decision as to how much contact you'd like to give. If you choose to be a low contact dancer in this club, you will still make decent/good $$$ (depending on your hustle, of course) although obviously you wouldn't be a "top earner". It is the most difficult club in SF to get hired at, but so worth trying to get hired there. I enjoyed my time there but I'm unsure if I'd go back to dancing at a fully nude club yet.
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    if i could make $100 in ten minutes for playing with a dildo while some guy watched (and if i wasn't in a monogamous relationship) i'd be all over that shit.

    that being said... i work in a one-way contact LD club so those are the rules i follow. but i've got no problem with any worker at any level of the sex industry as long as the girl/guy is comfortable with what they're doing & it's acceptable for the level of the industry they're involved in. dancers LD & porn stars fuck. who cares? sex sells on every level & if you're on SW you're involved. you can't knock those who are comfortable with things you're not. think of how many civilian girls are uncomfortable with the idea of a simple LD.

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    ^^^right on. Im at hustler now in SF but my curiousity is getting the best of me. I will talk to MBOT tomorrow

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    So, wait, you can do TOY SHOWS at the MBOT? I never knew that! That's awesome! I did toy shows at a juice-bar in PDX. Super easy and if they're expensive, so much the better!

    I may be taking a road trip with my hubby and stopping for a night in SF. I really want to check out the theatre as he's never been anywhere like it. How much cash should I bring?
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    Did a Google search, looks like they have a new site; http://www.ofarrell.com/

    It looks like it would cost $80 alone just for you & the bf to get in the door.
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    damn i may need to go back to sf


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    Quote Originally Posted by vivianbear View Post
    So, wait, you can do TOY SHOWS at the MBOT? I never knew that! That's awesome! I did toy shows at a juice-bar in PDX. Super easy and if they're expensive, so much the better!

    I may be taking a road trip with my hubby and stopping for a night in SF. I really want to check out the theatre as he's never been anywhere like it. How much cash should I bring?

    Where have you been? A lot of clubs in San Fran allow toy shows! Hint: Just look for the one's with beds ;-)
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