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    I've recently returned to Houston after a long hiatus, and have been working days at Treasures and nights at Men's Club. Generally speaking, business is significantly better, though still not on par with 2000-2001 prime. Days (11-3) at Treasures I'm averaging 350-600, and nights at Men's Club (9-2) 400-700. I am an excellent hustler and good conversationalist, though, so my earnings are a bit above-average. I would recommend checking out Houston again -- though it's no longer spectacular, solid earnings are possible on a consistent basis, IMHO.
    I will be in NY next week, and will give an update on Scores' business at that time. Good luck

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    How many days in a row did you work at each club? How many girls is Treasures working during the day? Do you find that many girls there are sitting with the guys and locking up the tables from other girls being able to work the floor?

    May I ask Juliet if you are an 'upscale intimidator' when you deal with the guys? In other words do you probe a guy to see his financial status and then make him feel low if he won't spend a lump sum on you? And do you focus on the out of town guys there primarily? How do you navigate around the guys wanting to find a corner or sneak upstairs for extras? Do you lead them on and then pull back or are you just good at talking the guys into buying good contact dances? Are you making your money off of several guys who will spend $150-$250 apiece as that is my experience most of the time except Fridays when I hit $300+, or are you working the floor well selling several dances to half a dozen or more guys?

    Have you worked St. James or Gold Cup in Houston as they attract good higher end customers also?

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    Tina:

    I find that a variety of approaches work well, depending on the individual customer. During daytime, I generally try to converse with the guy for a song or two, prior to asking for a dance. Then, I'll provide a solid, medium-contact lap. If the guy appears well-educated and/or affluent, I'll generally chat a bit longer in an effort to either a)have him cozy-up to me, and purchase multiple dances or b) go to v.i.p.
    I NEVER intimidate anyone(at least not intentionally), however, if I've spent an hour plus with a customer, and he appears to have money, I'll negotiate an hourly rate of between $200-$400.
    At night, the approach is clearly different, as volume increases: I'll chat for 1 song max, prior to asking for a dance, unless, again, the guy appears to be a good "vip candidate". When I walk across the room I maintain a poised,yet approachable demeanor, with a huge smile on my face...attracts guys like honey. I also find that wearing long,sophisticated evening gowns helps me differentiate myself from everyone else; I attempt to create the most glamorous,yet seductive image, thereby(theoretically) attracting the most generous customers.
    Yet, no approach works 100% of the time. As always, it's hit or miss. I worked 6 straight days in Houston, and my best shift was at Treasures on a Tuesday from 11 am to 1pm, when I banked $850...I met one guy whom immediately took me upstairs, paying $400/hr., plus tip. A few months ago in Houston, I worked endless hours just to make $300, or so. Go figure....

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    A few more things, Tina:

    There are roughly 15-20 girls on the day shift at Treasures. If you arrive by 11 am, house fee is $10, so you really can't lose.
    Yes, I go table to table, asking virtually everyone if I may join them...sometimes this results in 10+ dances, sometimes in zero...yet, I would characterize myself as an amalgam of floor hustler/vip girl...whatever is effective that particular day. I'm not averse to continuous dancing, earning my money $20 at a time, if necessary.
    Even the guys who appear to want extras will part with $20, if only to "test-drive" you. Frankly, that's waht they get ... a standard dance, and a refusal to perform anything else...I still get the $20, without compromising my values.
    No, I've never worked St. James ...from what I understand, it's not as high volume as TMC or Treasures, and girls spemnd an inordinate amount of time chatting. I worked at Gold Cup once, but forund the clientele to be a little too blue collar -- not enough $$$.
    Have you tried working Dallas? Similar or better money than Houston, with less contact. Also, I live in Chicago now, and the clubs here are doing solid, consistent business-- particularly now, since it's summer. Chicago clubs offer tremendous earnings potential, and "extras" are virtually non-existent!

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    Even though I haven't been to Chicago, I would guess there's damn good money to be made there, since I consitently do well with travellers from that city, and some of my all-time best nights have been due to men from Chicago! Maybe I'll have to take a trip there this summer and see for myself! What club(s) would you recommend juliet?

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    From my experience of the Chicago clubs, there is a LOT of money to be made, and with very little contact.

    It has been about 4-5 years, but this is what I saw...

    There is a chain (2-3 clubs) of large upscale Bikini bars, called Heavenly Bodies, I believe. The dancers are busy non-stop doing table dances, IN their bikinis, and the guys are allowed to place their hands on the girls' HIPS, period.

    I was there during lunch hour, but from what I could tell, every damned girl in the place was constantly busy. There was no groping, and no grinding. The guys did look a bit silly with their hands on the girls hips, but having since then acquired insider knowledge about how irritating the higher contact dancing can be, and having read here what women are routinely being subjected to for a mere 20$, I might now find the sight refreshing.



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    Bridgette:

    I currently work at VIP's(formerly Crazy Horse 2) in Chicago. Though the management is a bit unprofessional and house fees are relatively high, there is still ample money to be made. For more details, check out the review I posted a couple of days ago.
    Other decent clubs include: The Admiral Theatre -- $10 nude, no-contact table dances, very upscale, gown club, regular features. Girls average $300-$600 take-home .
    Allstars -- $30 topless, light contact dances, upscale, resaonable house fees. Girls average $300-700 take home.
    If you don't mind medium to full contact with nudity, Club O and The Industrial Strip are veritable gold-mines, with $1000/night being pretty standard.

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    Thanks for the tips juliet. I've been thinking of taking a trip this summer and never been to Chicago so I might just head up there.

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    Juliet, i just might check out Chicago sometime. Maybe Dallas again too since (knock on wood) it seems to have tamed down bustwise lately.

    I considered working at Treasures before going on the road as St. james does decent business but the fact that ALL dances must be done in private rooms slows down the "hustle" momentum and that is why girls sit so long with each guy. I like to move around more in a club and sit for a period of time with guys who are obviously intersted in me and spending money and not sit too long and get nothing. Treasures told me they had enough black girls and needed some Asian ones and that timing was the key to me getting hired there. I get tired of being told how pretty I am in Midwest booking clubs by the managers and owners but the big city nicer clubs is like pulling teeth to get hired in.

    The money guys still go to the "Jimmie" but the girls try to tie them up by sitting with them too long. You probably would do as well as Treasures there if you focused on the afternoon crowd. You're a new face. some of the better selling girls there will have 40-50 dances run on a tab at one time. I danced for a couple of guys there who ran tabs in the $2000-$3500 range and was one of 2 or 3 girls they divided there money up with. It just depends on who comes in that day.

    Gold Cup is a little slower than the others but it just depends on the day as far as clientele goes.


    It sounds like Mens Club has picked up. It had been really dead. Mens Club told me they couldn't use me. I guess a size 8 is too fat for them. That club seemed kind of stuffy.

    Make lots of money this summer.

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    Tina:

    I've worked at Treasures for 5 years,and I'm a top girl there, so if you'd like, I can speak with management about getting you a job. I'll be in Houston Monday -- If you'd like, you can come in with me during the day shift, and I can virtually guarantee you a job. I typically work nights, but last week I found the day shift at Treasures to be pretty lucrative,too. E-mail me if you're interested -- I'm serious

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    Juliet,

    When you say full contact (in the Chicago clubs)... there's full contact, and then there's <i> full contact. </i> I'm comfortable with a lot of contact as long as customers aren't allowed to touch me - would I be okay in the clubs you mentioned?

    Bridgette,

    You were right, I've got itchy feet. But I'm not going to dance in this area anymore. Wanna do Chicago with me?

    Lena

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    A couple weeks in Chicago this summer sounds good to me!

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    Juliet, I can be in Houston Monday to go in Treasures with you as I am on vacation now and am headed back to the Southwest.

    I don't have your e-mail address. You can PM me with it and we can communicate.

    Thanks for your help.

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    Juliet, I can be in Houston Monday to go in Treasures with you ...
    So how'd it go, ladies? Were you able to get together at Treasures today? I was up at Treasures last Monday night and had a great time...great club, great dancer attitudes (IMO), and just all around fun.
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    Aggied, will catch Treasures by the end of the week. Will be at St. James for a few evenings this week. Stop by and introduce yourself.

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    Wish, I could, T, wish I could, but I'm back here in dreary, boring Austin!

    There is something going on in Houston this Saturday night which I would like to attend, but I have to work.

    Besides, the last time I was at The Jimmy...well, I vowed never to go again. Who knows, though? Maybe things have changed in oh...15 months. LOL!
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    Juliet or anyone,


    How does one get hired at treasures? And are guys used to milage at this club...or is it clean dancing? I work at Christies in Phx and this summer is tough!

    Also whats the break down of the house fees and tip outs? Do the girls have to make a schedule? Or work a certain amount of hours? My girlfriend and I are thinking about going down there for a week or so. And are the girls nice there?

    Thanks for your time!

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    I work in Houston when not on the road working bookings in the upper midwest. I work at the St. James when in town and have worked at the Ritz but am familiar with Treasures.

    A dancer license is required to work in the clubs within the Houston city limits which is issued by the Vice Dept. they are only open MWF from 8-12 and you MUST bring besides photo id, 2 passport photos which you can get at Walgreens for $7.99 and a $60 money order. As long as you have no Texas warrants you will be issued a license valid for 2 years. For directions call the vice dept at (713)308-8600.

    If you work at my club or Houston Dolls in the airport area which is an unincorporated area of Houston then you MUST have a Texas ID card. Just get a mail drop and use that address for your ID which you can get at the Dept. of Public Safety. The original is mailed but you can get hired with the temp.

    Without a dancer license IF the club will hire you, you have to wear latex and full bottoms.

    I am familiar with Arizona clubs as my fiance is born and raised there and I have worked there. In Houston extras are common in the bigger and better clubs and Phoenix dances won't cut it. You can make money without doing hj's and bj's but you are going to have to give full contact dances and allow some touching. Yes there is sex in the Champagne room and managers don't care. Every girl doesn't do it and no girls walk around asking guys if they want sex. it's discreet and a pretty girl who is good with the customers and who gives good dances as i saod and allows SOME touching can get around sex.

    We have A LOT of girls here as there are no schedules and no day or night shift and tip outs are low. At St. James $5 if on the floor by 11:15 Am, 1:30 on weekends and Treasures is $10. You can work until closing and pay no more fees, just tip the day and night DJ $5. i usually go to work between 4-5 and pay a $28 payout. Girls coming in between 8-9 pay $40 or $50. Treasures and St. james do good day business and sometimes that is when the older better customers come in.

    Phoenix is loaded down with girls I know and I am sure many girls barely make tip out in the summer at Christies.

    I have been working with 50-55 girls a night this past week and here your money comes off of one or 2 good customers. Some nights you'll make $300, $400, or $500, and others maybe nothing to under $100. Every girl knows that is the way it is here.

    If you are looking to escape working with lots of girls don't come here. Don't be scared off by some girls offering sex, but if you are unwilling to give good contact dances, don't come here.Your housefees in texas are collected WHEN you walk in the door and paid to the doorgirl. If you don't have it you CAN'T work.

    I am just here between bookings as it is my home base but i have had days like this moneywise over the last week:

    7-1-$28, 4:30-1:45-$395, 11-8:30 $3 (this was a Friday and they usually are busy, but the last 3 were slow I'm told), 6:45-1:45-$152, 1-7, $251, 4:30-1-$442, 4:45-2,$213(I only had $60 at 1 and was dressed to go home when an old regular came in and bought 8 dances, whew.

    I don't lie about my earnings and this is the real deal. And i don't give sex to customers, just good dances.

    I would really recommend you guys go to El Paso and try to get hire at Prince machiavelli after 8. It's only a 6 and 1/2 hour drive from phoenix and pretty white girls who give good dances will do well. This club gets lots of out of town business guys and the girls "wanna dance" the customers just like in Arizona. Dances are $10. the executive center dr. exit left off I-10 will take you to the club. several girls who are white and classy there who give good dances clean up. No sex in the club just good full contact dances done on the floor. Many guys here buy 5-10 dances in a row if they are really responding to the dancer and you can hit $350-$500 here and on a slow night probably still walk out with $150 which is a good night in Phx nowadays with those cheaper no contact dances and lots of girls and very few VIP guys.

    Also try Red parrot on the east side of town on I-10 exit Horizon. those are the best clubs. I think El Paso is a better bet.

    You can stay at Intown Suites in each city for $150-$170 per week and they have full kitchens and just require a $100 deposit.

    Hope that helps. i am giving you the honest scoop.

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    Tina...Thank you very much. You're very honest and very informative. Thanks for the tip about El Paso. Is contact that high in El Paso? And will the managers hire with out having to do an amature night audition?

    Thanks for all the info!
    AmyAZ

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    Amyaz:

    Tina is accurate regarding the do's and don't at Treasures. I just spent a week there dancing with a girlfriend, and the day shifts netted me over $325 each week day I worked. I heard that the BIG money was made at night, but I had my own plans. Have fun!

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    Following up on El Paso clubs, the city of El Paso has enacted a no-smoking ordinance and is in the process of trying to enact an anti-dance club ordinance. This has hurt business a bit, but Prince is pretty much immune since it is the only club located in the west side "business district". On the east side, and most importantly being located one block beyond the city limits so the no-smoking law doesn't apply is the Red Parrot. The Parrot tends to get more "hardcore" white collar business customers as well as quite a few blue collar customers. Since it's beyond the city limits, contact levels are also somewhat higher than in the rest of El Paso (and probably significantly higher than in Phoenix, approaching contact levels in Houston). However, as of my last visit, the Parrot had become the money club in town.

    PS management at Prince is very picky about the girls they hire since they hold themselves up to be the "class act" in town. At the Parrot you can pretty much walk in and be hired immediately as long as you look presentable.

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    juliet do you work at vips now?Ihave traveled in to work there for the last five years,Ihavent been in around a year thoug because Idont get along well w/greg.When they made him a manager from floor host he changed anyways Iget along well w/bob,Iwant to come into work and Iwas wondering what it has been like,Ithink Iknow who you are,how long have you worked there?Iwould also like to ask you if you rtravel w/anyone when you go to houstan?Ihave never danced there but I have in dallas at the lodge and c.r. I averaged 700-800 a night that was around a year and a half ago.Are you looking for anyone to travel with?Iam if you know anyone let me know.

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    For those who find the Men's Club "too stuffy": try Caligula XXI on Winrock at Westheimer. There is good money to be made there with a pretty, relaxed atmosphere. I can consistently make $200+ there, and I am not even a feature. There is a lovely fish tank in main stage and the poles are easy to work with. The in-house stylist is a sweetie too. I had a lot of fun there. My best day shift pulled $720 and I give no extras. Check it out.

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    Regarding El Paso, you are hired based on how you look in street clothes which is about par for the course in all Texas larger city clubs, no auditions. At prince you just have to catch the manager when he is in. See if Gus is still mgr and in after 8 PM.

    They have girls there ranging from 7's to 9's. it just depends on his state of mind when you walk in. And not having to breathe that smoke is delightful. El Paso is nothing like Houston and good contact dances with an occasional touch will work fine. i was in Christies on 32nd St thursday night and the level of contact both from dancer and customer has definately gone up a notch although no big deal.

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    Treasures my kinda club - spend big $$ there.

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