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    Default how commom is deflation of an implant

    all this talk about deflation has me worried is it that common. do you think it has anything to do with activity, hard workouts, defects in the implant (well that seems kind of like an obvious answer) ect ect?
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    Deflation is very common in dancers with saline implants. A combination of the abrasiveness of the saline and the high activity level of a dancer make it this way. Silicone, on the other hand, has a much lower risk of deflation.
    My advice: if you have saline implants, make sure that you ALWAYS have $7000 to $10,000 cash saved for any possible deflation drama. You certainly don't want to have to dance with one boob.
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    Default Re: how commom is deflation of an implant

    Go to that website that I believe melonie listed. http://www.implantinfo.com/photocent...ons/index.html
    They have pics of problems and complications that may be worth a look. They have examples of bottoming out and deflation. Check it out.
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    Default Re: how commom is deflation of an implant

    getting a "flat tire" fixed really isn't a big deal, but it will put you out of work unexpectedly for 3-4 weeks plus it will chew up at least $3000 in medical costs not associated with purchasing a new implant.

    Heather is exactly right that saline (salt water) solution is abrasive. When an implant bag has folds in it, the abrasive saline solution works on the fold the same way that you can repeatedly fold a piece of paper in the same place. After doing this a few million times, the implant bag does the same thing the sheet of paper does, it rips at the fold. Girls with saline implants who have them put under the muscle (extra pressure on the folds), who don't have the bags overfilled (more and larger folds), and who flex their pec muscles constantly (causing the folds to move and rub against each other) increase the chances of this sort of failure.

    Silicone liquid and gel, on the other hand, are actually lubricants. For this reason silicone implants are at least twice as resistant to this sort of failure at the folds in the implant bag.
    If you are dancing with saline implants, you should pretty much plan on pre-emptively having your saline implants replaced with new ones every 5 to 7 years if you don't want to wake up one morning to a 'small' surprise.

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    I never knew a saline implant can make you sick if it were to leak. I thought it was just made up of salt water. I know nothing of implants. It just seemed saline was the way to go because your body would just absorb the water and excrete it. ???

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    I didn't get sick when I had my deflation. I only think a small percentage actually get physically ill. I was certainly traumatized, though.
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    Default Re: how commom is deflation of an implant

    So I have two questions here - are there things women with saline implants can do to lessen the possibility of deflation, either when they get the implants or after?
    Also, how soon after getting saline implants can they be replaced with silicone ones? Just thinking ahead 10 years when gravity has taken more of a toll and I decide to fill 'em up . . . by which time I am expecting to see more improvements in ba's and lifts!

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    Default Re: how commom is deflation of an implant

    well im at the five year mark and i am under the muscle. however i do NO pole work nor do i work my upper body at the gym. i cant believe that people are getting silicone again i mean did we all forget all the horror of those days. i mean i talked to someone yesterday that is having hers removed ( silicone) because her boobs are literly black! i mean does deflation happen to what pecentage of women would you say. i have considered getting mine redone but as i mentioned my dr is out of the country for 2 years. as for the silicone i know some say that was a myth and didnt cause problems but i have seen quite a few cases of posining with MY OWN EYES. please explain both the silicone revivial and the deflation odds. thanks alot girls
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    first to answer Velvet's question, 99% of women with saline implants will experience a deflation - eventually! It then becomes a probability equation i.e. 2% will experience it within a year, 10% within 5 years, 33% within 10 years, 50% within 15 years etc. The fact that a girl has under the muscle saline implants, or non-overfilled saline implants, or uses her upper body muscles more often than a typical housewife all increase the risk of failure. In comparison, the silicone implant probabilities are something like 2% after 10 years, 10% within 15 years, 33% within 25 years ...

    There are two things which can be done with saline implants to reduce the chances of failure. #1 is to have them put in over the muscle, which removes one of the causes of implant stress (the pec muscle contractions on top of the implant). The other is to overfill the implant significantly so that it forces out the folds (but this also creates the Pam Anderson baseball look if carried to extremes).

    Any girl can get silicone implants as soon after her first surgery with saline implants that she wants to, or as soon as her doctor will allow a second surgery. Many girls can actually get silicone implants for the first surgery if they use a doctor who is part of the FDA silicone study group.

    According to the FDA's recent "admission", silicone implants in fact do not pose any additional health risks than saline implants. All of the silicone scare lawsuits of a few years ago were based on an erroneous assumption which none of the European medical studies agreed with at the time. Under worldwide medical and legal pressure, the FDA was finally forced to admit that the amount of women with silicone implants who developed auto-immune syndrome was exactly the same percentage as the amount of women who do not have implants who develop auto-immune syndrome. The only real difference between the two groups was that the women with silicone implants got tons of press coverage and the women without implants got no press coverage at all!

    Even so, one of the drawbacks of liquid silicone filled implants was that if they did develop a leak that the silicone liquid could travel through adjacent body tissue and was tough to "clean up". The latest silicone implants use a gel (like Jello) instead of a liquid. With silicone gel implants, even if the implant bag should leak the gelled silicone stays in exactly the same place and won't start travelling outside of the breast, making "cleanup" quick and easy.

    When a saline implant leaks, the saline solution itself is not harmful in any way to the body (as long as your kidneys are working right, anyhow!). But your kidneys do have to start working overtime removing the extra fluid!

    Personally, I would not get silicone implants myself because silicone is not a "natural" substance and I'm not comfortable with it inside my body regardless of what the FDA studies say. But the implant bags for both saline and silicone implants are made of SILICONE rubber, the exact same synthetic substance - and it is the implant BAG and not the filling which is in contact with the breast tissue for years and years!

    Actually, at the moment I have experimental polypropylene string implants which do not have a bag and are the only implants which are 100% silicone free. But the FDA has banned further use of string implants because of their side effect - because there is no bag to determine the size, once a month your breasts bloat up but afterwards they don't shrink back. Next month they bloat up again but afterwards they don't shrink back. After a couple of years of this, some girls have grown 3 or 4 extra cup sizes!

    Also, the black breast skin problem you have seen is due to either the skin being stretched so much by the presence of a large implant that the blood flow through the breast tissue is insufficient, OR that the plastic surgeon cut through too many blood vessels during the surgery! However, no doctor is going to admit this, so "silicone scare" is as good of an excuse as any. Of course when it happens with saline implants the excuse has to be different! "Necrosis" of the breast skin is just as much of a problem with pre-filled saline implants as it is with pre-filled silicone implants - both require a large under breast incision to put in a full size implant. It's less of a problem with fill during surgery type saline implants because the bag can be put into the breast empty and filled with a tube using a much smaller incision. But the fill during surgery type saline implants are more prone to leakage than pre-filled implants because they have a valve for the filler tube which can leak (where all silicone implants and pre-filled saline implants are factory sealed and do not have a valve).

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    Default Re: how commom is deflation of an implant

    thanks melonie but now im scared of wakeing up with a flat tire yikes. i really never understood that; that was a common issue i always thougt it was rather rare. not to say i thought they lasted for ever but i had only seen one or two cases in all my years of dancing.
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    Heather, there's nothing awesome about me. It's just that I seem to have had 5 times as much dancing experience, and 5 times as much plastic surgery experience, as your average dancer. I had a flat tire myself with a CUSTOM MADE implant three days after it was put in a few years back - couldn't work for 3 months while I was waiting for a replacement custom implant to be made for me!

    I think the reason that you don't see more cases of dancer implant deflation is #1 that a good 1/3 of dancers have silicone implants, #2 that dancers usually discover that bigger tits means bigger tips and wind up having their implants replaced with even bigger ones before they're 5 years old, and #3 that very few dancers stay at it continuously for 7 years (does that mean that we're gluttoons for punishment ?)

    and Velvet, just my personal opinion but I would not get hung up on this point that the plastic surgeon who did your implants originally is not going to be practicing for the next 2 years. The doctor may change his mind and never come back to plastic surgery, he may have a heart attack tomorrow, he may have his license lifted or lose his malpractice insurance, who knows. My only point is that doctors come and go, for whatever reason. Find another one and move forward. At the moment your greatest risk is developing an implant problem and NOT having a doctor to go to about it!

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    Melonie-
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    BTW, I accidently posted when my man was logged in on the post above. OOPS!
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    I inquired with a surgeon a few years back about getting implants. He told me to EXPECT to have to redo them because it is very likely in five to ten years you will have to.

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    Almost 100% of implants will eventually ruture. At least with Saline women know the implant has ruptured, with Silicone it's common not to. I've seen a couple of dancers still work after having 1 implant deflate though - they still make money. One of my friends has a Saline Implant which ruptured but the Saline has stayed within the capsule (scar tissue). I don't know how long it will last though - it feels wierd! She is sick though and was before the rupture. Check the "Implants with mold thread" if you want more info on this.

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    Re: Silicone gel Implants - they have been availible in Australia for several years. I Know girls who are sick from them and the gel DOES (or perhaps I should say CAN because I guess it doesn't for everyone) migrate through the body. Even solid silicone can eventually break up and migrate through the body. I think the best bet if you do implant is probably to replace the implants every few years, though some people seem to get sick right from day 1 regardless of the type of implant.

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    I started to read this thread from the beginning but there were so many inaccuracies I had to stop reading. Let me just correct a few of the most egregious.

    1. Not all implants eventually rupture. If you look at the FDA webpage you'll see that about of a third of women have their implants replaced but the number one reason is going to a larger size, the number two reason is switching from saline to silicone or visa versa.

    2. Silicone and saline implants rupture at the same rate as far as we know. This makes sense because the shell is the same for both.

    3. Placement of implants under the muscle has never been shown to increase the risk of rupture. Underfilling implants does increase the risk of rupture due to folds in the shell which eventually can fail.

    4. Despite myths to the contrary there have been huge well controlled studies that have never shown a link between systemic disease and ruptured gel implants. Yes its true that some patients have been shown to have higher silicone levels in their blood but this has never been shown to correlate with disease.

    If any group should know the facts regarding implants I'd hope it would be the readers of SW.

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    Plastics Doc, you ROCK!!

    I see that you are in Chicago!! Any chance you'll tell me where? I need to get some consults done...

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    Plastics doc - there was an FDA study in 2002 that reported almost 100% of Implants rupturing in time.

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    i have cohesive gels and they wont bust cause they are not liquid. garanteed. but they arent available in the us yet except through case studies. It was one of the major factors why I choose them

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    Just to back AussiePunk up, I'll add some details to this....

    95% of implants can be expected to break within 20 years after surgical insertion

    The proportion of patients who could expect to have both implants intact was 89% after 8 years and 31% after 12 years, but only 5% after 20 years

    According to studies by the FDA, 100% of silicone implants leak.

    15% of all silicone implants rupture within 3-10 years

    [source: FDA website and various medical universities)
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    So my question is who has had them replaced "preemptively". If so, how long did you wait?

    If you had a deflation, how long did you have them first?

    I am scared to death of deflation. I can't imagine waiting 4-8 weeks for an appointment, walking around disfigured. I'd rather cough up another $6K preemptively. But is 5 years too soon? I'm 27, so that would be 8-9 breast surgeries in my life! that's a lot of anesthesia!

    Next time I am getting mine more overfilled to cover the ripples (I am 5'9 and 118 lbs). I have very weak pecs and would keep them under the muscle for the coverage (I also don't like the idea of messing with the breast tissue- I'd rather go behind it.

    As for Melonie, you are very logical, thorough, and sharp. That puts you ahead of about 95% of the population. Your posts are very enjoyable.

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    Yes, I had a 'flat tire' as it was, also encapsulation ( scar tissue forming around the bag itself ) so that made my poor boob as hard as a brick. First things first ladies, research, research, research.. be VERY very picky in choosing a doctor to begin with. It took me a year and several trips to other parts of a neighbor state to find my plastic surgeon. Now I have Mentor bags ( God bless Mentor! ) Which usually come with a warranty to replace or fix any sort of fault with the bag itself. Information is power.

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    Yes, it happens alot and is yet another reason I choose to stay natural.

    BA"s are not a permnant thing, they require regular maintance and that includes replacement in the future.
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