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    Default Question, do any of you ladies.

    Have to pay the house a certain amount of money from your dances or tips? And if so how much.

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    Default Re: Question, do any of you ladies.

    DUH!!!!

    It varies from club to club. Usually (but not always) there's a fee to the club ($20 to infinity, depending on the club) plus a "tip out" to the DJ, the doorman, the bouncer, the house Mom, the guy who walks you to your car (MOST IMPORTANT!!!) and sometimes the bar tenders. The amounts of the tip-outs vary from club to club, but usually on the order of $5 to $10 per dancer per night.

    In some clubs, there's also a VIP room fee (on a per-dance) and/or a lapdance fee (per-dance).

    SOME clubs also require the girls to hustle a certain number of drinks to customers and, in come cases, even hustle t-shirts and other memorabilia. (Thanks, but no thanks. I dance. Nordstrom's sell clothes. I'll sell clothes when the girls at Nordstrom's start working naked.)

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    Default Re: Question, do any of you ladies.

    Thanks for the blunt response, so let me phrase it a different way. How much do each of you ladies or gents pay to your respective clubs.

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    Tip out housemom.
    Dj...Love the Dj!!!!
    bouncers, or anyone who sends a customer my way
    Barmaid, bartender
    House, stage fee NO...Thank god.
    Anyone who does not require a tip will get one if they work in the club and send a customer my way, even if it is a dancer, which i don't get often. But i will give her a few.

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    Default Re: Question, do any of you ladies.

    Depends on the club. But at the place where I danced the most, it was $10 per half hour in the VIP room and $20 to the DJ. At other places it was from $20 flat to 45% of total tips. Some clubs have different tipout schedules depending on the type of dances you give. For example, one club charged more for the "fantasy" rooms than just the regular old VIP room. Another club I danced at charged $20 to the DJ, $10 to the house mom, $10 to the security guy who escorted me to my car, $10 each to the waitresses and so on. It got to be a PITA so I quit booking that place.

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    At Players Showgirls... it is as follows:
    60-40.. 40% of private/lap dance money goes to the club
    50-50... 50% of any "dance" tips (tips received in a private dance or "on the floor") goes to the club. Yes I know .. GRRRR... I hate this one as that tip is for me NOT the club.
    100-0... 0% of all stage tips goes to the club.. this is the way around the "dance" tip percentage.. basically try and get customers to tip you on stage (not that it happens often enough at Players.. it is geared towards private dances more than stage tips)



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    Default Re: Question, do any of you ladies.

    some upper crust clubs in the northeast charge up to $200 per night flat stage fee - plus most northeast clubs collect 40-50% of private dance and champagne room money spent by the customer.

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    My girl's are required to pay me ( the house ) $8 weeknight's and $12 weekend's plus $5 from every $15 lapdance, the dj get's 5% of total take and the doorman get's $2 for cleaning the stage, mirror's, pole's and trapeze. The rest is at the dancer's discresion and is usually avioded ( unfortunately ). I used to require the girl's to tip me 10% of there stage instead of the $8 but I got sick of getting took advantage of so in an effort to stop the girl's from leaving with all my startup one dollar bill's in an effort to keep from getting caught undertipping since I have caught almost all of them doing it. I decided to make a standard tip out. The Dj who is god to dancer's since he can easily make or break you ( like a puppet master ) prefered to stay with the 5% option because he was less apt to get screwed even by the girl's he pisses off in fear of retaliation the next time they have to work. Girl's who pump out alot of lapdance's usually tip the bartender who is responcable for selling the ticket's and the continuing ticket's if the girl keep's the patron in the couch for more dance's. I, by all standard's, am in this business to make money for my Dancer's, as I alway's tell them, if there making money then I am too and if they go home penniless it probably cost me money to be open.

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    Default Re: Question, do any of you ladies.

    The reason, I wanted to know is because I am interested in opening a club of my own and I wanted to know what sounded fair to the girls as well as still making money for myself and my partner. So any advise will be appreciated. Also some of the thing we are considering is offering to pay for breast implants as long as the girls are willing to sign a contract saying that they are willing to work for us for at least 1 year, and also willing to over medical coverage.

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    Quik...you know nothing about the business. Why are you opening up a strip club? Seriously! Invest in what you know (besides the fact that strip clubs make a lot of money.)

    I'm not trying to be rude here, but if you don't even know about tipouts and house fees, which are a huge part of the ecomonics of the business, you should reconsider.

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    Quik...you know nothing about the business. Why are you opening up a strip club? Seriously! Invest in what you know (besides the fact that strip clubs make a lot of money.)

    I'm not trying to be rude here, but if you don't even know about tipouts and house fees, which are a huge part of the ecomonics of the business, you should reconsider.

    Well, let me see the only thing I really have no Idea about is the stripper area, everything else I pretty much have covered. I know I'm asking questions that even a novice stripper would know but, understand that I am a fast learner. The only reason I'm asking is because I do not want to underpay the girls working for me but be able to send them home with the most money while still being profitable for myself. Sure, I barely know anything about stripping but this is just a small snag and I guarantee I will have this remedied in a very short amount of time.

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    Quik, the "free breast implants" option has been tried by a couple of clubs with both wild success and disaster. Considering that you're talking about a $5000 investment on the part of the club, and considering that there's no way that you can "repossess" breast implants after they're installed in a girl's chest, you'll need to protect yourself from being victimized by creating a contract with some of the following provisions

    #1 - 100 mile circle one year exclusivity, meaning that the girl must agree not to work for any club besides your club within a 100 mile radius of your club. Won't help if she decides to pack up and move, but it will dissuade her from taking your implant offer and then going to work in the club down the street.

    #2 - minimum cup size DD or DDD cup after implants. This "weeds out" girls that primarily want implants for their own personal satisfaction and who are not committed to dancing (i.e. trade their A cups for C cups and then start working as a Hooters waitress), and encourages girls who look at dancing as a somewhat serious career. This also somewhat guarantees that your club will earn more total dollars from her implants, via drawing in big boob loving customers that other clubs can't and via a percentage of her greater number of private dances sold.

    #3 - one year "modeling agent" model release, meaning that for a year the girl must give you right of approval/first refusal in regard to potential modeling. This lets you have some degree of control over the direction her aspiring modeling career might take, which may or may not be in the club's best interest (i.e. her appearing in Hustler magazine when a Hustler/DejaVu club is located right down the street).

    #4 - drug test!!!! Besides the obvious negative performance attributes of dancers who do a lot of drugs, this also greatly increases the risk of physical complications arising which could result in implant problems. If a dancer doesn't take care of her health and winds up losing her implants due to infection etc. you're left with NOTHING except that $5000 plastic surgeon's bill.

    If done correctly, offering to bankroll plastic surgery can really go a long way in creating a cadre of club dancers who will appeal to upscale customers, who are seriously commited to dancing as a career, who have their shit together to the point where drugs and extras won't become huge club issues, and who are committed to you and your club. This is in everybody's best interest, profit wise. However, based on the previous experience of the few clubs which have tried this, 9 out of 10 requests you'll get from dancers will be motivated by girl's short term self interest rather than long term career commitment, let alone any long term commitment to your club.

    Quik, I am absolutely convinced that any time a clubowner who has a serious business interest and bankroll teams up with top shelf dancers who are serious about dancing as a career, they can't help but be successful. As others have posted, it's an unfortunate fact that many "organized" clubowners do not in fact care whether the club actually turns a profit or not (it will on paper anyhow ). Other "corporate" clubowners definitely care about running a profitable club no matter what, but do not care AT ALL about any individual dancer working for them ( NEXT! ). And often those clubowners who don't fall in the above two categories wind up with a good business model but lose it all anyhow due to dancers who aren't serious about career dancing introducing negative issues such as drugs, extras, club busts, new restrictive anti-dance club ordinances etc.

    What you're contemplating is the answer to a serious dancer's dreams! Hopefully you'll be able to hook up with girls who ARE serious about dancing so that your investment will pay off big time for everybody involved! Best of luck.

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    One club in Lauderdale paid for implants for a beautiful woman. She left the club 6 months later. They blacklisted her. I would not have it done if a club ever offered, they own you after they invest in you. They can make your life a living hell.
    Club owners talk, and not just in their own backyard.
    Besides tits are not the "whole picture", perky and sexy is in! Go with what you have, and have fun.
    I understand you ladies who breast fed and such, you want your look back.

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    I agree that tits aren't the whole picture - you also should consider nose jobs, liposuction, lip augmentations if you're thinking of building a cadre of upper echelon talent for a very upscale club. I also agree that your biggest problem from the standpoint of being a clubowner will be getting any serious long term commitment in return on the part of the dancers, as you can see from other posts.

    Corporate clubs take a whole different approach to this "stumbling block". Instead of making a commitment to a particular dancer or group of dancers, the "corporate" clubs accept the premise that most dancers are problematic, short sighted, self centered and uncommitted. They don't make ANY investment in their existing dancers, but instead invest in "scouting" NEW talent. This business model results in a constant turnover, as existing girls get fed up with the club's exploitation (high stage fees and percentages, dictatorial scheduling etc.) and are replaced by inexperienced but young and beautiful "fresh meat" who are ripe for future exploitation (at least for a few months until THEY get fed up too and are in turn replaced with yet another batch of NEW talent). This is cold hard business, but it can be very profitable for the "corporate" clubowners. Of course, this business model is very negative from the dancers' point of view, but then again very few dancers really look at dancing in general much less dancing at one particular club as a long term career commitment so why should club management ?

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    Sorry on second thought this should have been a pm.
    MELONIE, your picture is gone now Too! Or is this just my friggin computer, with half of us girls pics. gone ??
    I can't even get another up!!! HELP

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    Default Re: Question, do any of you ladies.

    Melonie, you've brought to light some of the aspects I hadn't really taken much consideration to think about. Your right, giving breast away isn't always the answer. I don't want the girls working for me feeling like they're trapped into a contract. I'll only offer this if they are truly serious in a dancing career, not just to make some easy money and a free breast implant. I really appreciate the advice, I just want to be able to offer the girls something they can't get at other clubs and that will draw in the creme d' la creme. Anything at your club that make it better than the other?

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    yes, absolutely! There is one club characteristic which consistently results in a profitable club for both the clubowner and dancers. That characteristic is UPSCALE BIG SPENDING WHITE COLLAR CLIENTELE.

    Usually, in order to attract this kind of clientele, the club itself needs ...
    A) a location in a city where white collar businesses/clientele are plentiful
    B) a location in a city where white collar clientele aren't going to be hassled/scared off by local police busts
    C) a location within the city where white collar clientele feel safe re parking and walking
    D) a club building which at the very least equals your typical white collar business building standards
    With a potentially profitable location and a decent club building, such a club then needs ...
    E) top notch eye candy dancers!
    F) tactful promotion
    G) manageable levels of head-on or "back door" competition

    there you go - guaranteed formula for success! Of course, the hard part is finding such a location which has the prerequisite white collar business base and which isn't already saturated by existing upscale clubs, which doesn't have a conservative crusade underway re busts and ordinances, and where enough top notch eye candy talent is available at a "price" your club can afford (i.e. low stage fees, low percentages on private dances etc) and still cover the mortgage and utility payments.

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    I wasn't just talking about the breast implants, but also the health insurance idea. Are you talking about subsidizing it or just finding someone to sell it to them at whatever price they deem appropriate? I'm assuming the former since the latter isn't much of a service. So who would get it? full-time employees? "full-time" and "employee" aren't palatable options for most dancers.

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    I just want to be able to offer the girls something they can't get at other clubs and that will draw in the creme d' la creme. Anything at your club that make it better than the other?

    Quik
    Well, the easiest way to do this is to not charge a stage fee and instead PAY THE DANCERS $100 a shift out of the club's pocket during the "ramping up" stage of your new club's business. This is a much simpler short term answer than insurance, plastic surgery or anything else you can offer to try and attract "creme de la creme" dancers to a new club without a proven earnings potential. One thing that ALWAYS gets dancer's attention is cold hard cash! Then (hopefully) once word of your new club gets around by word of mouth and tactful advertising, head count of upscale customers will steadily grow. This will of course cause cover charge receipts, bar sales and private dance sales (of which the club collects a percentage) to increase along with it.

    As average dancer earnings rise along with the head count of customers, you can gradually phase back or phase out the shift pay as long as it was originally instituted with the clear understanding by dancers that the shift pay was a temporary measure to offset initial slow business conditions as the new club first gets off the ground. Or you may want to keep it as a 'perk' for your dancers to 'level out' the normally high earnings volatility from night to night and from week to week.

    You may also want to keep weekly shift pay as a 'carrot' to insure that your dancers show up on scheduled nights, show up on time, and work their full shifts through the week. It is much more psychologically acceptable for a dancer not to receive extra pay if she is a no-show, shows up late or leaves early, or does something else unprofessional, as opposed to dancers being FINED (which is very negative and will totally piss dancers off). Shift pay is easily financed in the long term by the club retaining 50% of all private dance and champagne room money for this purpose. But knowing that a $500 club paycheck is at stake (for a full time 5 day dancer) on Saturday night can be an extremely strong incentive for her to think twice before calling in, showing up late or leaving early, showing up under the influence etc.

    You can also use shift pay with incentives i.e pay $50 a shift just for showing up and acting professionally, and then pay another $50 bonus if a particular dancer sells more than 20 private dances during a shift, then pay another $50 bonus if a particular dancer sells 3 champagne room sessions during a shift, or whatever. This kind of laddered cash incentive can really "light a fire" under dancers who might otherwise decide to conserve their energy once they have sold enough private dances or champagne room visits to meet their own earnings goal for the shift.

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    The deal with my club-

    You sign a contract with Pure Gold, you may only work at a Pure Gold club for the year of contract. They are the only clubs in this area, so you don't really have an options anyways.
    You must be licensed to work in Wilmington- $50 fee, and your "occupation" is listed publically at the Chamber of Commerce (sometimes a problem with certain realtors, colleges, and businesses)
    You become a Pure Gold member- the fee for membership is deducted from you house fees. It means a discount at many hotels, businesses, clubs, shops, websites, surgeons, etc all over the world. You also then have the option of appearing on PG merchandise and magazines. (not a bad deal for free)

    We are Sub-contracted and pay a lease fee to the club based on the time worked-
    first two girls before 4pm- $3
    all others before 4pm- $8
    before 5pm- $13
    before 6pm- $18
    before 7pm- 23
    before 8pm- $33
    before 9pm- $43
    before 10pm- $53
    10 to DJ min (you can tip as much as you'd like, but you are required to tip 10%)
    valet $4
    Anyone not scheduled to work a min 3 days- Add. $20 fee
    not showing up for a scheduled shift- $50
    you must sell a min 2 promotional items per shift or will be charged for the difference (only enforced if someone refuses to try)
    tableside dances $10 you pay the house $0
    vip dances $20 you pay $0
    couch (private) dances $30/$40 you pay $10
    promotions (item plus 2 privates) $40 you pay $25 (however, if you sell more than 4 per night, your lease fees are waived min $15, so if you work before 6 you get the difference in lease fees for next night)
    shower dances (yes, we have a shower , only topless, three songs, last song he gets to wash you w/ a sponge) $150 I'm not sure house fees, the club sets the price at $150, I don't think a dancer has ever done one for that. Usually it's $300 plus...basically, and this is with any dances, you set it at whatever you think the guy will pay.
    You make $100 off any bottle of champange you sell.
    Extra $$ if you become a featured dancer (meaning you sell the most promotional items for that month, I've not done it, I'm not sure what you make, but it must be good because it's a constant battle to make feature and you are given a private dressing room)
    Let me know if your curious about anything else
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    Oh, and also, our club has auditions and fairly picky in it's choice of girls. Plus, based on seniority they get full sized floor to ceiling lockers (wider than school-like lockers though) that they are allowed to decorate in any way they like. Also, the club DJ has alot of computer knowledge and after you have been there for a few monthes and your are a Pure Gold member he creates a show with your stagename and and pictures/artwork/poetry you'd like to play while you are on stage. He does a really creative job, and it does wonders for the girls who have it.

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    I freelance at the Brass Rail in Toronto, so I start when I want and leave when I want. I pay $20 to the club. Do not do stage shows as they are not mandatory, therefore I do not tip the DJ. If someone sets me up with a customer, I will tip them, but other than that I usually only pay $20 to work!

    Gosh, seems like it can get confusingly complicated at some clubs!

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    For the club I work at in LA, our nude dances are $40, club takes $10, our topless are $20, club takes $6, there is a $15 stage fee (waived if business is slow or you have less than 5 dances). We are supposed to sell 5 $6 drinks but they charge us $5 per drink not sold. However, if we sell 3 they usually cut us some slack by saying it appears we gave an effort. This is only enforced sometimes though. DJ gets $10 plus another $5 if he is the floater. Manager gets $10, bartender gets $5, and we have to valet our car which is $4 (it's the only legal parking in the area).

    Hope this gives you some insight. This is for an upscale club though. I work in another club once or twice a week (kind of a dump) and we get charged $10 for every dance. Nude is $35 and topless $25. We have to give the DJ 10% and that's it.
    It's better to be looked over, than overlooked.

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    Oh yeah, we are required to work 3 days a week. If we don't show up and don't call we are fined $100, and being late is a $50 fine. Of course it's at the Manager's discretion.
    It's better to be looked over, than overlooked.

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    Default Re: Question, do any of you ladies.

    I tip out a minimum of

    10% of total earnings to DJ
    $8 - $10 to housemom
    $10 to the bouncer
    $7 - $9 to bartender

    If I am late I have to pay a $10 fee
    If I show up more than 30 min late it is $20

    So if I make a total of $300

    DJ gets $30
    housemom $8
    bartender $7
    Bouncer $10
    Total $55

    So I keep $245 : P

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