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    Does anyone else keep track of their average hourly earnings? At the end of the week, I add up how much money I've made and divide by hours I've worked to get my per hour earnings.

    So, looking at these, I'm thinking it would be interesting to compare them in different parts of the country.

    I'm in Pittsburgh, and last year I averaged $42/hr
    January this year I averaged $26/hr
    March $16/hr
    and the last three weeks:
    22
    12 (the week the war started)
    16 (last week)

    What about you guys?

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    I consistently average between $50 and $60 per hour on IFriends WebCam, with the exceptions of nights with major sporting events (i.e. Monday Night Football, Basketball playoffs). On nights where guys will be "distracted"by sporting events, earnings are much lower (like half if I'm lucky). Once I discovered the correlation, I simply quit working those nights, and I check the sports calendar first when figuring out next week's schedule!

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    Jan (when I was at Santa Fe Gold)
    $ 27.28 per hour

    March (Players Showgirls)
    $33.45

    I'll have $50 per hour nights but not many of them. Whilst I keep track of what I'm earning "per hour" it is really my per week and overall monthly averages that I'm more concerned about...

    Just as long as what I earn is over $15 per hour.. as below that is what a normal cafe job for me would earn me .. and that is what I do NOT want to do.



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    Default Re: Hourly Earnings?

    I do the same with bartending....... I average about 30 an hour back there......
    When I was just dancing I never did though....Since I have been doing this, I am more determined to get more in the bank and do more with it !!!
    When I see what I am making, I want to see it in the bank.........
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    Melonie not to disagree, but $60 per hour seems like alot for cam. And thats your keep? Assuming you charge $3 per min. And their cut $1 per minute out of earnings you would have to have a paid customer 30 min. out of every hour, to make $60 per hour.
    I have visited Ifriends, as well as alot others, seems you would have to dedicate lots of hours to cam.
    PS...I have seen you on Ifriends. does not seem doable, with the few hours. And free chat i have seen.
    Just wondering, not arguing
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    to fill in some IFriends details, you incorrectly assume that IFriends can only handle and can only charge one guy at a time in private video chat, which is not the case. I often manage to 'get a party going' with 2 or 3 guys in private video chat at the same time, with each one of them being charged $3.99 a minute for the same exact minutes = $7.98 or $11.97 a minute from my perspective. And it's not all that difficult to have customers in private chat for 30+ minutes per hour at the right times of day/night. I actually pre-announce my webcam hours both at IFriends and at my own website and in 1 on 1 fan emails so that guys will plan on "dropping in" to see me on certain days and times. I also sometimes get some free promotion from outside sources too, like SCORE magazine featuring my WebCam link in their weekly member's e-mail promo (they get to use my pics in their promo, I get some of their subscribers checking out my webcam in return).

    I deliberately do NOT put in lots of hours or lots of different nights on IFriends, because as you pointed out this takes away the "scheduled" aspect and reduces average hourly earnings a lot by having to randomly wait for potential customers to show up. I could certainly not average $50-$60 an hour if I was on IFriends every night of the week, but one or two nights during pre-scheduled hours, yes. Even so, there are some hours where I have guys in private video chat continuously (and sometimes more than one guy at the same time), but there are other hours where I wind up playing computer games, brushing my pet cat, singing to myself etc. waiting for somebody to show up in the free chat area. In fact, last week absolutely sucked between 8pm & midnight because of the NCAA playoffs. Just like live club dancing there are good nights and bad nights, and busy hours and slow hours, but it all averages out.

    I have actually found that Friday night marathon sessions seem to work best, probably because many other IFriends webcam girls are out partying instead of working their webcams on Friday night, and many 'geeky' guys are dateless and lonely while their friends are out partying. The marathon sessions also pick up guys in Western Europe during the early hours (4 pm EST start = 9 or 10 PM in Europe), east coast guys in the middle hours, and west coast guys during the late hours (4 am EST finish = 1 am west coast). One 12 hour shift like this winds up appealing to three times as many potential customers as, for example, working three nights but during the same four hour period every night (which most girls choose to do for some reason) because of the time differences around the world. I also often do "appointments" on Monday nights (except during Football season), as this is the first night after the weekend with wifey and the kids that business guys are away from home on the road, sitting in a hotel room with a laptop and broadband connection .

    Also, in regards to the IFriends "take", it ranges from a 50% share for customers which IFriends referred to me from their own site traffic, down to only 10% for customers which I referred to my IFriends webcam from my own website or fan e-mails through my own links. Keeping 90% of the money some customers spend makes a big differerence, particularly when they are my "regular" customers who came over from my website or e-mail links.

    I agree with you totally that for your average webcam girl who does not have something of a fan following already, or a website of her own with significant traffic, or outstanding professional credentials or physical characteristics to help her 'stand out' on the IFriends sample page, that your assumptions about average IFriends earnings are probably true (or even optimistic).

    Your average webcam girl can't get away with charging $3.99 a minute, and many advertise a rate of $1.99 a minute in an attempt to undersell the competition - but the handful of 'big boob girls' who operate IFriends webcams have quietly agreed among ourselves to fix and hold a $3.99 a minute price which none of us tries to undersell.

    Your average webcam girl has to depend on IFriends referred customers totally, meaning a 50% payout to IFriends for every single webcam video chat customer they get - compared to my 10% payout for "regulars" who were referred to my IFriends webcam directly from links on my website or my e-mails.

    Your average webcam girl also has to rely on random traffic patterns at IFriends and her "first impression" on the IFriends sample page for potential customers to find her webcam, making it extremely difficult for her to keep her private video chat busy. This usually means she'll be sitting in IFriends free chat for hours waiting for guys to show up - versus my pre-announced video chat hours on my website, with "regulars" already waiting in the IFriends free chat area for me to go live online at the pre-announced times.

    Not wanting to express any attitude, but the way I run my webcam versus your average webcam girl is very much like the way a feature performs in a club versus a house girl. The feature shows up at scheduled dates and times, with interested fans and "customers" already there waiting to see the show, whereas the house dancer hangs out for hours and hours at the club hoping that some "customers" (who didn't come to the club to see her specifically) will pay attention to her versus another girl. The feature charges double the going rate for private dances with fans and "customers" waiting in line, where the house girl has to compete with other girls to convince "customers" to buy private dances at the going rate. And you yourself will surely be the first to admit that "regulars" tend to spend a lot more money on you than random customers - I have a base of webcam "regulars" and your average webcam girl doesn't.

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    Some recent figures from the South and Midwest show that $25-$35 per hour is the average for dancers (according to ACE) since 9-11-01. This is down from $40 per hour prior to that date. What really seems to be changing is the variation between the GOOD nights and the Bad ones with the GOOD ones being just slightly lower but with more BAD nights that are much worse. Also there seems to be a later crowd arriving which limits the hours dancers can make bank.

    For what its worth ....Most industries are down much more than the stripping business so don't complain too loudly ... You could be selling cars or real estate and be in worse shape financially.

    Melonie is right about Ifriends. If you work it correctly (refer your own customers) you can make good money but it's DAMN hard to get started there now. Without regulars you will get lost in the thousands of other girls listed. Sometimes I wonder if there are ANY girls not getting naked either in clubs or on the net. Where do they all come from?
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    I am very familiar with ifriends, and numerous paying customers can come in your private room at the same time with almost all sites, that is just too high a figure, considering their cut. Too many girls on at once.
    Regulars are what make up the figures, but still for a webcam show that price is high, even if you are doing couples. They just don't pay for long shows. I used to be on ifriends, i visit friends there, it just is not happening they say, and these are beautiful girls! As are you Melonie.
    With all this money earned you would bring 300,00 a year!!!!
    Webcam is good for play money and a few bills, but i don't see that much money flying on shows even for the playboy models that i have watched.
    More power to you! Glad you can make that much, thats more than a strippers earnings.
    Dj_wulf, they come from all over the world! Webcam has every type of girl you can ever ask for. Ifriends is just too big, and too many girls. On average when inquiring about the job they said you can make up to $45 if you work long hours.
    One thing i have learned about webcam, it's not like strip clubs when it comes to regulars so much, they always sample the new menu, because girls undercut on price and do more on cam, like couple sex, oral, and pee fetish for example. All the things we can't do in a club. I have seen you Melonie, not convinced. But you go girl! I mean every word i say in good faith, i also sell myself through my website, phone sex, alot of callers will jump in for a show. I do solo, and couple shows and make good money when i become a regular to guys. That is the difference in us, i should do more webcam on a consistant time, thats how you build up your clientel with "passing customers". If you are not on when they are looking, you lose them to another girl. I belive consistant hours are important. You find that stray guy this way who falls for you. It's like any other job to me, have your set hours, and the more time you put in, the more money you will make. You hit all different time zones!

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    Well, Pamela, my 'secret weapon' is the fact that there are only about 4 really big busted girls doing webcam with any regularity, and I'm one of the 4. When it comes to big boob fetish freaks looking for webcam action, they really don't have too many options either on IFriends or on any other webcam host. Considering that the four of us really big busted girls have privately agreed not to undersell each other, the $3.99 a minute rate is a lock. Not the case with solo and couple shows, where $1.99 a minute is pretty common (meaning I'm typically earning double the rate of solo and couple shows!).

    The three other webcam girls with cup sizes in the second half of the alphabet are also on the road performing live quite often, giving the big boob fetish webcam freaks even fewer options. I also sometimes have a major big tit magazine helping to promote my webcam to their subscriber base, which amounts to targeted advertising in the extreme. Plus I have a base of "regulars" from my website providing steady scheduled business (where I can keep 90% of my earnings because I referred them myself, versus solo and couples shows keeping only 50% of their earnings which come primarily from IFriends traffic).

    Again, no offense intended, but there are over 500 girls on IFriends doing solo and couples shows on a given night. Other than "regulars" of their own, this averages out to a 2% chance that potential IFriends customers will find their webcam. On the worst possible night for me competition wise with all four of us big boob girls live at the same time (which never happens!) I've still got a 25% shot at the big boob audience - it's usually more like 50% with maybe one other big boob webcam online with me, or even 100% sometimes when I'm the only one online.

    The other factor is that potential webcam customers can find live webcams offering solo and couples action every hour of every day. On the other hand, big boob freaks usually can't find any one of us 4 big boobed girls live webcams except during certain hours (since we're all from the US). This means that if I start at 4pm I can have the entire world's big tit webcam freaks population to myself every time! The big boob lovers already know they can't usually find any really big boobed webcam action at any particular time the way solo or couples show customers can, so they're forced to pay attention to my schedule and all come piling in on the same scheduled night.

    I already mentioned that I deliberately do not schedule lots of nights - given the limited availability of really big boobed webcam shows I would only be competing against myself if I did, since the same group of big tit webcam freaks would only spread out their business over more nights lowering my average earnings!

    Sure there quite a few girls with DDD cups, and some guys settle for that. But there is a core of true big boob afficionados who won't get interested until a girl's cup size is in the second half of the alphabet, and when they find it they'll pay big money to see more. Here I'm referring to my "regulars" as well as the dedicated big tit freaks who subscribe to SCORE magazine and who are referred to my webcam in the magazine's promotions. They only really have four webcams to choose from, and usually at least 2 of those four webcams aren't online.

    I've tried to answer your questions truthfully and completely. If you don't believe what I'm telling you, at this point that's your problem, not mine.


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    Yep, understand what you say. You cater to people who like "fake boobs", and i cater to the people who like "real boobs".
    Easy to understand, good luck on cam!
    One thing i will not do, is promote myself on news boards or the like, Mags, etc. That is free advertising for the site, a good percentage of the guys who see this advertising check out other girls anyway. Only while doing phone sex will i go private, mainly.
    Best for me, and this is me....Is to go by word of mouth or be seen!
    However we all promote our selves there is no best way. Your way works for you, mine works for me!
    PS Melonie we have 20 sites i know of with "some" girls bigger than you, very few however compared to the web cam business.. But they like your style as well i am sure.
    Funny how guys like different types! Work it girl!!!


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    PS Melonie we have 20 sites i know of with "some" girls bigger than you, very few however compared to the web cam business..
    I assume that you're speaking of 20 big busted girls WEBSITES, with some girls being bigger than I am. Yes, this is certainly true - in fact you can see many of them in one place at . In regard to IFriends webcams or webcams hosted by other services, I only know of 3 besides myself who are in the 'second half of the alphabet' in regard to cup size and who have some name recognition from previous magazine and video exposure.

    In the case of other big busted girls websites, certainly when the primary interest of the customer is seeing pictures of really huge tits my own website does not do as well as some other girls with larger breasts. However, if the customer is also interested in interaction, i.e. exchanging e-mails and BBS posts, the vast majority of big busted girls do not offer this. They simply pose for pictures once or twice a year in exchange for a modeling fee and somebody else runs their website and collects their membership fees. I know because I used to belong to the Photoclubs site and quit because I was basically competing against myself and handing over the vast majority of the profits to the Photoclubs webmasters. But the vast majority of all big bust models are so busy doing live feature performances every week and doing 'private sessions' with fans that they consider investing their time in running an active website or webcam or e-mailing fans instead to be a poor business decision (which for them it is considering the going rate for 'private sessions' is over $500 per hour). This creates a niche which I'm more than happy to fill, even though my "hourly webcam average" is only 1/10th as much as their "private sessions".

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    They are pay/join websites. Very big busted girls yes. You pay a monthly fee, as well as a private session.
    These girls are mainly from another country, not all however, and do everything and anything during a cam session, because their rules don't apply oiver there, but some do here, there is a catch, you sign off on the contract.. Blood letting is a good example, as is BDSM to name a couple.
    But yes, they do ...Ok.
    They do, and don't charge a huge fee, only a sign on. And to get to other pages of the site costs more money as you climb that ladder.
    Like i said before there are all sorts of webcam offers to any lady/guy who wants to cater to a special crowd.
    Foot fetish right now is ruling, believe ot or not in the fetish cam world. Big demand. As is Pantyhose fetish! May sound strange but you have to be very open minded to perform for these guys.
    I am in the middle of "trying a good foot job Vid. For a well known site. Each vid. is 30 minutes, has to have a good plot. NO nudity required, they are into sexy dress em up feet with a guy who has a penis. (thats the only nudity, and he does not have to show his face). $300 bucks a vid. And if i don't show my face $200!
    Streaming vids to go. And webcam included, which i passed up.
    As you know i like Girltime. They are good to the performers. At least me.
    Thats about all i have to say, we are both seasoned webcam performers, and i am sure we both have the ups and downs to show for it!

    Forgot to add i like the involvement when i do webcam, i want to know if i am doing something that is not right. Or just getting lazy on cam, thats why i chose GT, they are always monitoring the site, and typing to you, or calling you giving advice. They will take you pvt. just to fill you in, and pay you for it! I want to know i can call on admin when needed, and they are there 24/7.
    That just makes me a better performer!
    They have 5 sites that are connected to them. babevid is one, you can see but not type to us. You can watch us but don't have to log on, only to go to private is that required. I was so attracted to them after ifriends and tricams and eroticavideochat etc.
    Pamela

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    Ok ... I can't help but see the Business aspects of this conversation. I think its a VERY good example of the two approaches to dancing as well as web-camming and alot of other non sexual enterprises.

    Pamela is using the Point of Sale or Impulse buy approach. This is similar to what dept stores do with Jewelry, Candy and Magazines...... Put them where the existing customers WILL see them and use thier own impulses to make the sale. Sound theory when there is a large existing customer base and limited competition.

    Melonie is using the Market niche that targets a specific (potential) audience and promotes as "Limited Edition ...only available for a short time" type of advertising which generates its own customer base in addition to the existing market.

    Both are sound business practices and the primary difference is in HOW the customer base is established. Impulse buying assumes there is an existing base where "Special Edition" advertising generates its own base. This is where the two theories apply to dancing (and ultimately HOURLY EARNINGS).

    Dancers (and Cam Girls) use thier Moves, Looks, Costumes, and Boobs (both fake and real) as marketing tools while dancing. Once the song ends ....the promotion starts and this is where the sales aspect (as opposed to Impulse buying) occurs. Its where the customer decides whether to spend in Hardware rather than in Houseware (figuratively speaking).

    The best approach is to use BOTH aspects of marketing but many dancers find that actually selling themselves is somehow degrading and prefer to rely on impulse buying (which is much more
    of an ego boost).

    This is one of my pet peaves with dancers and the bottom line is, even tho I doubt it ever will be true, Dancing is a business and it should be treated as one ...rather than a personal situation. If you're not making enough money .....Work harder.
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    I do market myself too, DJ_Wulf.
    Through phone sex! Excellent way! I don't need to advertise on bulletins etc. I do like the see me approach, it requires hustling, i am a dancer and it's in my blood right now. Hustling!!!!
    Girls approach webcam different. This is my way, and Melonie has her way
    PS I refuse to advertise a cam site, it's like trolling chat looking for PSO customers, you are promoting "their site". I only tell my customers. And come see me approach.
    And you are correct! However i rely on both. To an extent!

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    I have a question, do you make a set hourly wage as well as tip or do you just work for tips and lap dance money?

    Quik

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    Sorry SirQuick, talking webcam. I accept tips all the time. Phone sex and webcam. Dancing why of course!!!!
    Yes i work on a set hourly wage, that i can change according to the show i do. If it's a couple show, more money. Solo, i am not expensive, on cam.
    I have had guys buy me clothing to wear on cam in the past, it goes to a PO box. Not for dancing. I don't take gifts.
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    yes, Quik, we're talking webcam earnings here, which are a whole different animal in regard to business model than live club dancing. On webcam I cater to the very low volume (from the "supply side") very selective, huge boobs Niche Market. I use effective targeted advertising directing existing huge boobs afficionados (i.e. scoreland.com members and SCORE magazine subscribers, plus my own fans) directly to my webcam to maximize my profit percentage. I deliberately restrict the hours during which the "supply" is available, assuring that my webcam will be busy during the limited hours that I'm on it (i.e. that average hourly earnings will be relatively high). With the tacit co-operation of the handful of other girls who also cater to this huge boobs webcam niche market, we "fix" the per minute price at levels much higher than the going rate of "general" webcams (like double). I also use my webcam customer interaction to cross market my privately produced Videos (which are 80% profit after expenses) and monthly memberships to my website (which are 67% profit after expenses).

    The dynamics of live dancing earnings is completely different. Given current poor economic conditions and the lack of commitment/heavyhandedness/exploitation by most clubowners these days, and the rising tide of anti-dance club ordinances, club busts etc., I do very little live dancing anymore.

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    A friend of mine who belongs to a group on MySpace has talked to these 2 girls that are girlfriends and this man deposited $400 in her paypal account just to watch them kiss for 20? minutes. (can't remember the exact minutes) Hey, more power to them!

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    I do that too!

    I take my weekly earnings and divide it by 40 hours. I do this to make a fairer comparison to a straight job.

    Say I made $400/week working 10 hours. Converting it to straight job pay:

    $400 / 40 hours = $10 / hour

    where as dancer pay:

    $400 / 10 hours = $40 / hour

    Does this make sense?

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